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Sinking Credibility: The media and the bones of Jesus
Townhall ^ | Thursday, March 1, 2007 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 03/02/2007 1:18:35 PM PST by presidio9

Director James Cameron’s follow-up to his Oscar-winning Titanic was a documentary about the wreckage of the doomed ship. The film contained so many shots of Cameron in a deep-sea submersible that one critic named him “Captain Nemo.”

Well, Captain Nemo has surfaced again.

In an upcoming Discovery Channel special, Cameron claims to have found an ossuary containing the bones of Jesus. How does he know? Through a combination of Sesame Street and The DaVinci Code.

The ossuary is inscribed “Joshua, son of Joseph”—names that are not exactly rare among first-century Jewish males. So Cameron also points out the nearby ossuaries bearing names of people associated with Jesus—most importantly, “Mary,” as in “Magdalene.”

Actually, it doesn’t say “Mary” but “Mariamne,” which—according to some people—was what other people called the Magdalene. This is good enough for Cameron, who considers it natural that Jesus would be buried alongside his so-called “wife.”

See what I mean about The DaVinci Code? If do, you are not alone. Archaeologist Amos Kloner, who “did extensive work and research on this very tomb and its ossuaries” ten years ago, said “it’s a beautiful story but without any proof whatsoever . . . ” Lawrence Steigler of Harvard told National Public Radio that Cameron’s claim “sounds rather preposterous.”

When even Harvard and NPR call your bit of revisionism “preposterous,” you know that you are way out on a limb. Then again, Cameron is far from the first person to dash his credibility to pieces against the stone that was rolled away that first Easter.

Like others, his ultimate explanation for what happened that Sunday morning is a cover-up. Like others, he has no explanation for why the Apostles would be willing to die for what they presumably knew to be a lie. I know a thing or two about cover-ups and conspiracies: No conspirator willingly dies for what he knows to be untrue—or, in the case of Watergate, even go to jail. The closest men around the president of the United States testified against him to save their own skins. You’re going to tell me the Apostles maintained their story at the cost of their lives? Impossible.

What’s worse than Cameron’s “preposterous” claims is the credulous reaction of the media.

At the website Get Religion (which analyzes the media’s coverage of religion), Daniel Pulliam put it this way: Many “news organizations [are] reporting [Cameron’s] words as gospel truth.” He’s right. A headline in the New York Times’s blog read “Raising the Titanic, Sinking Christianity?” Time followed, proclaiming that “this time, the ship [Cameron’s] sinking is Christianity.”

While Newsweek magazine did manage to quote Cameron’s critics, as Pulliam pointed out, “their words [were treated] as equal to that” of the moviemaker—who, by the way, admits he’s not a “theologist or an archaeologist,” just a filmmaker.

Pulliam is right when he says that “at this point” the coverage of this story “is an embarrassment to reporters.” And they wonder why they are held in low esteem among believers?

Stories like this and the fuss over the “Gospel of Judas” are slickly packaged revisionism. After the revisionism has been shredded, the only thing sinking beneath the waves is the media’s credibility.


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1 posted on 03/02/2007 1:18:37 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Then I guess no one is interested in Moses' bones, which I have in an old Maxwell House Coffee can in my garage...


2 posted on 03/02/2007 1:22:54 PM PST by pabianice (LLY)
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To: presidio9

The Discovery Channel has just started advertising showing this debacle. As I don't watch much of that channel I won't make too much difference when I dont' happen by while this is showing.

(I've already seen the pix of the box)


3 posted on 03/02/2007 1:25:35 PM PST by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org: Ecce Pactum, id cape aut id relinque)
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To: presidio9

As someone said on Fox last night, they can't even prove who is the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby, and there they have the baby, the mom, many dads, and a body, all nice and new and some of them still alive and pictures and records and everything.

But they know Jesus was in that grave 2000 years ago, even without a modern evidence trail.


4 posted on 03/02/2007 1:25:41 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: presidio9

Larry King's already proclaimed this "the end of the road for the Easter Bunny".

Really. I'm not kidding.


5 posted on 03/02/2007 1:28:37 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Build the fence. Vote Hunter.)
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To: presidio9

Reminds me of a kid saying the alphabet. Starts out with "A", "B", "C", "G", "M", "Q", and "Z".


6 posted on 03/02/2007 1:32:13 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: I still care
Satan will go to great lengths to do away with the preposterous idea that Jesus was the Son of God, died on the cross, resurrected and ascended into Heaven...body and all.

Screwtape would be proud of our Media.

7 posted on 03/02/2007 1:32:21 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: pabianice

This "Geraldo Moment" of Cameron's will keep him in the public's eye for quite some time - he's just another Hollywood Liberal meddling with something he doesn't understand.

Faith, Salvation and the Hope of Man aren't found in a burial box; I hope he learns that one day.


8 posted on 03/02/2007 1:32:28 PM PST by Monkey King (and yes, I'm going to Hell for that comment)
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To: Victor
Screwtape would be proud of our Media.

lol, that's what I was thinking!

9 posted on 03/02/2007 1:33:34 PM PST by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: presidio9

Simple for me .... get a sample of God's DNA then compare it to the bones he found ......


10 posted on 03/02/2007 1:34:12 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: presidio9

11 posted on 03/02/2007 1:34:45 PM PST by Gritty (Radical Christianity is as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America-Rosie O’Donnell)
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To: presidio9

I mentioned this in a previous thread about the but, the more I see about the "science" behind this alleged documentary the more I am reminded of Steven Wright's story of about a friend of his who spent an "amazing" amount of money to discover who built the pyramids. After many years of research his friend finally concluded that "he was pretty sure it was some guy named Eddie."


12 posted on 03/02/2007 1:38:05 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: presidio9
It's already been reported that the writing on the boxes is so illegible that it can't be said for certain what the inscription reads.
I'm not sorry he's sinking his credibility, Cameron made a pretty good movie with True Lies, but I swear he's been on a down hill run ever since. I don't care how much teenage girls liked Titanic it's not even mention anymore when people talk about great films. it was an over long ego stroker for the director.
13 posted on 03/02/2007 1:39:17 PM PST by Taichi
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To: presidio9

"Cameron is full of it."
Dan Brown







/sarc


14 posted on 03/02/2007 1:54:03 PM PST by sono (Al Gore buys carbon offsets with Blood Diamonds)
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To: presidio9
In an upcoming Discovery Channel special, Cameron claims to have found an ossuary containing the bones of Jesus.

He didn't find it. This site was dug up decades ago. There are six coffins, but only three sets of bones. The guy who did find the site has called Cameron's conclusions preposterous.

15 posted on 03/02/2007 2:11:39 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: I still care
Just like the farce they tried to swindled people to believe of the true face of Jesus as some African looking man, and they took a skull of a first century man and did they silly puddy thing and made a face out of the man and tried to pass it off as the real face of Jesus.
And they say that Jesus did have long hair, and they tried to twist the scriptures were it says in one of Pauls books that it is a shame for a man to have long hair, I hate to tell them, but ? some orthodox Jewish men have hair lockets that are long.
They tried to tell us that the traditional view of how Jesus looked is wrong, and he didn't even have blue eyes.
I have seen Jews with blue eyes before.
In other words, they tried to pass off a " Politically Correct Jesus ".
Would it be to far of a stretch to believe that since Jesus was from Nazareth, that he could have made a Nazarene Convenient ? a Nazarene was not suppose to cut their hair, drink wine or have anything to do with grapes, and not to touch anything that is dead.
I know, I know, what about Jesus turning water into wine ?
I don't think there is any Bible accounts that Jesus drank wine, only turning water into wine.
And the issue of touching dead things, well,,, Jesus was God in the flesh, so that argument is mute.
16 posted on 03/02/2007 2:17:42 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: pabianice
Then I guess no one is interested in Moses' bones, which I have in an old Maxwell House Coffee can in my garage...

Hey! That's exciting and novel!

Up to the very moment you posted, no one knew where Moses is buried.

Maxwell House? Good coffee. I'm sure Moses appreciates it.

17 posted on 03/02/2007 2:19:43 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Ok,, Ok I was wrong,,, Jesus did drink wine during the last supper, I had to correct my last post.
But ? perhaps ? Jesus made a Nazarene convenient before his public ministry ?
18 posted on 03/02/2007 2:23:39 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Ever notice these two things?

1) These people (Such as Cameron and Brown) who are fiction writers and admittedly not Christians can suddenly and with Media-Generated 'credibility,' attack and are said to "disprove" a faith that has survived much stronger opponents for 2000 years;

and yet,

2) When a Christian reads the CORRECTLY TRANSLATED WORDS, in context, of the Koran to expose the violence inherent in Islam, that Christian is instantly attacked as not being 'a scholar of Islam' and as such couldn't possibly know enough to say anything critical of Islam?

Can anyone tell me why (short of the American Media hating the Truth) there is such a blatant double-standard?

Seriously, is there any other explanation?


19 posted on 03/02/2007 2:25:12 PM PST by Truth Junkie
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

The vow you are thinking of is a "Nazerite" vow.
Scripture says Jesus was a "Nazarene"

Different thing.

Good thinking, though. And I am impressed by your self-correction, it shows class.

Keep it up, we need the discussions...


20 posted on 03/02/2007 2:27:36 PM PST by Truth Junkie
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To: Ole Okie
In Jude 1 : 9 , there was a battle over the body of Moses between the angle Michael and the devil.
But, the Bible tell us that God buried Moses, and God has kept it a secret.
21 posted on 03/02/2007 2:28:07 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I'm confused. Do you mean covenant?


22 posted on 03/02/2007 2:29:29 PM PST by xmission (Dont isn't a strategy, Freedom isn't Free, Dems encourage our enemy,)
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To: Truth Junkie
I still believed that Jesus had long hair.
23 posted on 03/02/2007 2:30:57 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: xmission

Yeah.... sorry, my spelling is not up to par.


24 posted on 03/02/2007 2:32:21 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

not a problem.


25 posted on 03/02/2007 2:32:44 PM PST by xmission (Dont isn't a strategy, Freedom isn't Free, Dems encourage our enemy,)
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To: presidio9

The Hitler diaries were obviously real as Adolph Hitler's name was right on them. I'm waiting for Cameron to produce Jesus' high school graduation picture or the table check for the last supper.


26 posted on 03/02/2007 2:36:36 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: presidio9

I've got a piece of the One True Cross propping up my One True Coffee Table.


27 posted on 03/02/2007 2:37:26 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Truth Junkie

Seriously, no.


28 posted on 03/02/2007 2:38:49 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: The Great RJ

Proof that Mel Brooks was the busboy at the Last Supper.

29 posted on 03/02/2007 2:46:41 PM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: presidio9
Ummm, Miss Hamilton,
would you mind dealing with your
bizarre ex-husband?

30 posted on 03/02/2007 2:50:53 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: xmission
Can I ask you something ? do you remember a few years ago, on one of them shows were they tried to explain away the Jews leaving Egypt, and crossing of the Red Sea ? and how they tried to give it a natural twist on it ? and that they tried to show that it really didn't take much of a miracle of what happen at the Red Sea ?
What the conclusion that they came to was, that it was the shortest route to the land of Canaan, that, they might have crossed at the delta, marsh land area.
They interpreted it ( RED SEA ) as REED SEA, reeds of the marsh lands.
They said it could have been a low tide, and some kind of tsunami that allowed them to cross.
What they are trying to do is under cut people's faith, and to doubt the Bible.
Here is the TRUE RED SEA crossing.
Here is the evidence, you can draw you own conclusions, I truly believe that this is the true RED SEA crossing, and not what those ( Discovery Channel ) show try to have to believe, and this area is not what has been the traditional are of were people have believe of the Red Sea crossing.

( ....http://www.hope-of-israel.org/redseacr.htm ... )

( .... http://www.versebyverse.org/doctrine/redsea.html ... )
( ... http://www.melted.com/atl/crossingredsea.htm ... )

Tradition had us to believe that mount Sinai was on the Sinai peninsula ( between Gulf of Suez and the Gulf of Aqaba ) the Wilderness of Sinai.
The Apostle Paul even told us were mount Sinai is in Galatians 4:25
Mount Sinai is in Arabia.
All these shows and movies are designed to do is discredit the Bible and Christianity, but, God has the last word, and the Bible is true.
31 posted on 03/02/2007 2:51:26 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Jesus could have walked on ice (instead of water), says Florida State Researcher
32 posted on 03/02/2007 2:54:34 PM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

There has been a constant stream of this stuff for quite some time. It is an attempt to steer people from the truth.


33 posted on 03/02/2007 2:54:43 PM PST by xmission (Dont isn't a strategy, Freedom isn't Free, Dems encourage our enemy,)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

A man sat reading his Bible and smiling. Another man asked him why he was smiling. He replied, " I've just read about God parting the Red Sea for His children to cross over.

The other man said, "surely you don't believe that - they crossed the Reed Sea and it is only a few inches deep"

"Oh I see", said the first man.

A few minutes later the 2nd man saw the first man smiling again and asked him why. He replied, "I'm smiling because our father drowned Phraroah and his army in a few inches of water".


34 posted on 03/02/2007 3:04:25 PM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: pabianice

and I've got Elvis' in a pasta jar in my fridge....does that count for anything....obviously, he's not left the building.....


35 posted on 03/02/2007 3:10:49 PM PST by BamaDi (W - Saban - my heroes!)
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To: presidio9

[...Cameron is far from the first person to
dash his credibility to pieces against the
stone that was rolled away that first Easter...]

Must be repeated, often.


36 posted on 03/02/2007 3:20:29 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: xmission

I agree and to shake peoples faith, but, we need to be strong and trust God's word.


37 posted on 03/02/2007 3:20:58 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
They interpreted it (RED SEA) as REED SEA, reeds of the marsh lands.

I don't pretend to be able to read either ancient Hebrew or Greek (or modern for that matter) but doesn't the RED/REED thing only work in English?

38 posted on 03/02/2007 3:35:04 PM PST by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
But ? perhaps ? Jesus made a Nazarene convenient before his public ministry ?

Just how "convenient" would a Nazarene have to be?

39 posted on 03/02/2007 4:16:11 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: AnOldCowhand
It was a TV show I saw a few years ago that I was referring to, they interpreted it in the Bible as REED sea instead of Red Sea, but, they are wrong.
40 posted on 03/02/2007 4:20:20 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Lion Den Dan
I know,, I know,, my spelling is not the greatest, I meant covenant.
41 posted on 03/02/2007 4:21:37 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Just seems to me that unless the words are spelled nearly the same in the original language too (which they rarely are when the words are not related) that their little theory doesn't hold any water (theology and right thinking aside). In other words, just because the spelling is similar in English doesn't mean that it is in the language that the Bible was written in. And if the spelling in ancient Hebrew isn't similar then how could the alleged mistake have ever been made?


42 posted on 03/02/2007 4:31:21 PM PST by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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To: Ping-Pong

That's great! Thanks for the laugh!


43 posted on 03/02/2007 4:44:10 PM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life member and loving every minute of it!)
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To: Reaganesque

Steven Wright is a bona fide genius.


44 posted on 03/02/2007 4:44:19 PM PST by NCSteve
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To: presidio9

Christianity is the enemy of the Left. They are willing to believe any lie that promotes their agenda because they want so desperately to believe that sin is not sin and their acts have no consequences.

I marvel at how many Christ deniers who claimed for years that Jesus never existed are now willing to claim these bones must be those of Jesus - so long as you also accept that Christianity is a lie.

Here's one question I'd pose to them. If the Apostles were liars and Jesus as the Risen Lord was a hoax, why would they be so stupid as to label the box where his bones were supposedly buried?


45 posted on 03/02/2007 4:56:58 PM PST by Tall_Texan (NO McCain, Rudy, Romney, Hillary, Kerry, Obama or Gore in 2008!)
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To: Tall_Texan

> Here's one question I'd pose to them. If the Apostles
> were liars and Jesus as the Risen Lord was a hoax,
> why would they be so stupid as to label the box where
> his bones were supposedly buried?

And if it were all a lie, why would the all the original Apostles, save 1, be willing to die for it?

.


46 posted on 03/02/2007 6:33:59 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: presidio9
Fonzie Jumping the Shark

James Cameron has "jumped the shark" with this one.

And Discovery is jumping it with him.

.

47 posted on 03/02/2007 6:43:14 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

But ? perhaps ? Jesus made a Nazarene convenient before his public ministry ?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Convenient?


48 posted on 03/03/2007 3:25:59 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Tall_Texan

"I marvel at how many Christ deniers who claimed for
years that Jesus never existed are now willing to
claim these bones must be those of Jesus - so long as
you also accept that Christianity is a lie.

You hit the nail on the head with that one. They want it both ways - and there is only one way.


49 posted on 03/03/2007 4:20:04 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: AnOldCowhand

For what it's worth, I've wondered the same thing.


50 posted on 03/03/2007 4:45:51 AM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errers entionally included!)
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