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Judge rules public schools have right to teach charges whatever they deem appropriate
Jewish World Review ^ | 3-5-07 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 03/05/2007 5:19:11 AM PST by SJackson

Judge rules public schools have right to teach charges whatever they deem appropriate — parents and morality be damned

Whatever else might be said about it, US District Judge Mark Wolf's decision in Parker v. Hurley is a model of clear English prose.

"The constitutional right of parents to raise their children does not include the right to restrict what a public school may teach their children," Wolf unambiguously wrote in dismissing a suit by two Lexington, Mass. couples who objected to lessons the local elementary school was teaching their children. "Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy."

Entitled to teach anything. That means, the judge ruled, that parents have no authority to veto elements of a public-school curriculum they dislike. They have no right to be notified before those elements are presented in class. And the Constitution does not entitle them to opt their children out of such classes when the subject comes up.

As Wolf's straightforward language makes plain, it doesn't much matter what that subject might be. The parents in the Lexington case objected to "diversity" instruction that presented same-sex marriage and homosexual attraction as unobjectionable. That message, the judge noted, contradicted the parents' "sincerely held religious beliefs that homosexuality is immoral and that marriage is necessarily . . . between a man and a woman."

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1 posted on 03/05/2007 5:19:13 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Proof of the need of home schooling.


2 posted on 03/05/2007 5:20:55 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: SJackson

Parents damn sure DO have a say in what their children are taught, especially when it comes to queers.


3 posted on 03/05/2007 5:24:28 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: SJackson
Under the Constitution

Your Honor, under the Constitution, there is no compulsory education and there are no public schools.

4 posted on 03/05/2007 5:27:08 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Dustbunny

Well, according to The Simpsons episode last night, home schoolers are ignorant yokels who name one of their kids "W" and a child from town could do a better job teaching them.

Sorry, I've been wanting to gripe about that episode. :)


5 posted on 03/05/2007 5:27:09 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: SJackson
The constitutional right of parents to raise their children does not include the right to restrict what a public school may teach their children. Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy.

So this is why Montgomery County Schools are now teaching 8th graders about the joys of anal sex.

This judge is a moron - and obviously a liberal (they so often go hand-in-hand).

Teach the Ten Commandments - something VERY useful in life and in becoming "productive citizens" (don't murder, no adultery, etc.) - no doubt this judge would strike the program down.

6 posted on 03/05/2007 5:29:04 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

I believe that I read on a thread, a while back, that Judge Wolf is supposedly one of ours.


7 posted on 03/05/2007 5:30:47 AM PST by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; blu; cgk; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the "other" articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.
8 posted on 03/05/2007 5:31:12 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SJackson
"The constitutional right of parents to raise their children does not include the right to restrict what a public school may teach their children," Wolf unambiguously wrote in dismissing a suit by two Lexington, Mass.

Taxation without representation.

The parents sure do have a say. It's their tax money that's funding the schools and it's their children who are being educated there.

There's so much wrong with his ruling that it would take pages to refute it.

9 posted on 03/05/2007 5:34:10 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: David Isaac
I believe that I read on a thread, a while back, that Judge Wolf is supposedly one of ours.

I won't believe that until I see proof. And if he was conservative at one time he has gone over to the dark side based on this ruling alone. No conservative would EVER rule that government run schools may teach whatever they want to kids.

10 posted on 03/05/2007 5:34:47 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: wagglebee

ping


11 posted on 03/05/2007 5:35:02 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SJackson

Okay, so we MUST send our children to school, and that school can teach anything it pleases?

I think that judge is a good candidate for superglue and foam rubber.


12 posted on 03/05/2007 5:35:04 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: Dustbunny

Hear, hear.


13 posted on 03/05/2007 5:37:47 AM PST by Chewie84
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To: metmom

So more judges than those on the 9th Circuit think and rule this way: nice wake-up call!


14 posted on 03/05/2007 5:39:40 AM PST by cgk
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To: stm
Parents damn sure DO have a say in what their children are taught, especially when it comes to queers.

Rehab for you!!!!

15 posted on 03/05/2007 5:43:47 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The dims and Ron Paul screwed our troops.)
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To: Dustbunny

That's what I did (homeschooling) but I can tell you catagorically that the aim of these types is to indoctrinate the children.

If parents withdraw their kids to homeschool, they will simply come after homeschooling, like the Germans did.


16 posted on 03/05/2007 5:45:52 AM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Maybe I should have said faggots!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!
17 posted on 03/05/2007 5:47:47 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: L98Fiero
A few years back, I saw a T-shirt (either at Penny's or Sears--can't remember which) that had a hillbilly sort of character complete with ratty clothes and rotten teeth. It read, "I am Home Skooled (with the K backwards.) At the time, all of my kiddos were Home Educated and we got a pretty good chuckle out of it.
My three oldest are now in public HS and they are not only ahead of their public educated classmates, more importantly they have the ability to think for themselves and take responsibility for their education and actions. Not to mention that little thing called morals.
18 posted on 03/05/2007 5:54:50 AM PST by stentorian conservative ("I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative." -D Hunter)
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To: SJackson

"Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy"

And where in the constitution does it even say that the state is responsible for educating children?

Idiot. We are, or were, a republic, not a democracy.


19 posted on 03/05/2007 5:55:47 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: SamuraiScot

It seems to me that a constitutional appeal may be made based on the the lack of a constitutional mandate for compulsory schooling!


20 posted on 03/05/2007 5:56:49 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Save the Republic, don't vote for IVY LEAGUERS(red ribbons or blue ribbons))
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To: SamuraiScot
Your Honor, under the Constitution, there is no compulsory education and there are no public schools.

Damn Scot, there ya go poisoning His Honor's mind with facts!!!!!!! Surely you can't expect him to think straight if he is only considering the facts?

I would ask His Honor to point to the exact verbage of the Constitution that gives the State the 'right' to teach ANYTHING!!!! Else, I would consider His Honor a lunatic living in a fantasy world where anything goes...

21 posted on 03/05/2007 6:07:31 AM PST by ErieGeno
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2074317_1?noconfirm=0

He was appointed by Reagan.


22 posted on 03/05/2007 6:07:43 AM PST by dmz
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

During a media lunch yesterday, Wolf and Young, 65, who were both appointed by President Reagan and became judges on the same day, May 24, 1985, Boston Globe Dec. 14, 2005


I hate to say that it may be so


23 posted on 03/05/2007 6:10:05 AM PST by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: SJackson
And the Constitution does not give any judge the right to say what a school can teach. That is left to "We the People" But then who cares what the Constitution says: NOT any Federal Judge that I have read about lately.
24 posted on 03/05/2007 6:11:51 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (56 Supporters of al Qaeda are seated in the US Senate)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

This judge is liberal filth. May he rot in hell.


25 posted on 03/05/2007 6:15:27 AM PST by ohioman
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To: David Isaac

Elevated to his current position 2006.


26 posted on 03/05/2007 6:15:43 AM PST by steve8714
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To: SJackson
Wolf unambiguously wrote in dismissing a suit by two Lexington, Mass. couples,,,,,

Massachusetts?

Why am I not surprised!

27 posted on 03/05/2007 6:15:52 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: SJackson
"Plaintiffs may attempt to persuade others to join them in electing a Lexington School Committee that will implement a curriculum . . . more compatible with their beliefs." ( Judge Wolf)
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In other words, the biggest political bully gets to destroy the most precious religious, political, and cultural values of other people's children.

Great! Isn't this a recipe for revolution?

Government schools are a violation of freedom of conscience. They have **never** been religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. They haven't, can't, and never will be. It is axiomatic. The education of children is **NEVER** neutral! ( Yes! I am shouting!)

Government schools are **compulsory**! That means armed police, courts, and foster care workers have the government power to make the life of parents and children a living hell.

Government schools are also a price-fixed monopoly making private school choice scarce and expensive. Then when parents, who are bankrupted by high taxes, can not find an affordable private school, or afford one, the government gives these parents a choice: Government school or prison. Some choice! ( eyeroll) I call it the Godfather's offer that can't be refused.

Then once government get children into its government indoctrination centers, it proceeds to destroy the most precious religious, political, and cultural beliefs of some children, while establishing the religion, cultural, and politics of others. Establish? Hm...don't our state and federal constitutions have something to say about "establishment" of religion?

Solution: Get your children **out** of government schools! Encourage everyone you know or meet to do the same. Then organize with parents to elect representatives who will turn off the government school money plug.

Government schools need 2 things: students and money. Starve them of both! It is possible to shut down these centers of ignorance, and socialist, pro-homosexual, anti-constitutional, anti-American, pro-pagan, anti-Christian, pro-mother earth worshiping, Marxist indoctrination.
28 posted on 03/05/2007 6:17:00 AM PST by wintertime
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To: SJackson
"The constitutional right of parents to raise their children does not include the right to restrict what a public school may teach their children," Wolf unambiguously wrote in dismissing a suit by two Lexington, Mass. couples who objected to lessons the local elementary school was teaching their children. "Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy."

If this ends up being upheld by the supreme court then it SHOULD be the point at which we discard public education. Shut down all the schools, give vouchers or just stop taking the taxes or a combination of the two. People can place their children in what is certain to be a better educational environment than public schools.

29 posted on 03/05/2007 6:19:26 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: SJackson
"Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy."

It's been a while since I've read it but I don't remember anything in the Constitution about 'public schools' or 'teaching'.

30 posted on 03/05/2007 6:21:06 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: mdmathis6

If we can get the state out of the business of education, the cost will go down, the quality up, and parental input will be all. Those who want to can send their children to "tolerance" schools where there minds will be forcibly opened until their brains fall out.


31 posted on 03/05/2007 6:21:27 AM PST by steve8714
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To: I still care
If parents withdraw their kids to homeschool, they will simply come after homeschooling, like the Germans did.

While that is a threat, home education laws have been getting MORE liberal rather than less. Home school parents are an extremely effective and well organized lobby. They now constitute nearly 3-5% of the total number of students. More importantly, the public impression of home educated students has nearly totally changed from one of suspicion to one of high approval.

The only venue the liberals have left to put the home school geinie back in the bottle is international law. The more outstanding graduates we produce, the harder that will be to do. Given that the home school population is at least 3% of the total and has grown pretty steadily at 10-15% per year for about a decade, at the lower rate, in five years it will be 5% of the total. At the higher rate of growth, we'll be there in eight years. If it hits 10%, IMO the public schools will start to collapse, because the difference will be so glaring that the public will no longer support the product.

I have a plan for that end game.

32 posted on 03/05/2007 6:22:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: SJackson
Is this just for the state of Massachusetts? Only for public schools though right? I am trying to decide where to send my Kinder gardener next year. It may just be home. It gets scarier and scarier to have kids these days.
33 posted on 03/05/2007 6:26:48 AM PST by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: SJackson

Government schools are evil.


34 posted on 03/05/2007 6:27:40 AM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: L98Fiero

That's why I don't watch that dribble. Just like South Park. Somethings do not need to be seen.


35 posted on 03/05/2007 6:28:02 AM PST by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: SJackson
Judge Wolf cites the US Constitution as the authority for the state to "educate"/indoctrinate the children of citizens in whatever manner the state chooses?

Judge Wolf seems to be manufacturing another "right" for the government out of thin air. Using his own interpretive gymnastics and convoluted logic, he has, in effect, illegally amended the Constitution to make it say something that cannot be found anywhere in the text. In so doing, he has blatently stolen the right of parents to educate their own children and transfered that right to the government.

This type of government power is common to dictatorships. Our Constitution was designed to limit government power, not enhance it. Once again, as in the years prior to our revolution, the inalienable rights of the common man are being trampled by government dictators. This time they are not wearing red coats, Nazi Swastikas, or red stars, but the black robes of our own judiciary.

It is obvious that our Constitution alone will never protect us from the assaults of dictators like Judge Wolf. Such unprincipled men, when placed in positions of power, consistently twist the words of the Constitution to make it say anything they want. At this time, the only recourse of resistance available to the common man is the ballot box. We elect government officials who, in turn, appoint men to the bench. When many of these men turn out to be tyrants like Judge Wolf, who rape our Constitution at will, the common citizen, by himself, is powerless to legally resist.

The angry frustration of abused citizens is growing to explosive levels. Our elected officials should take note. They need to do something about these tyrants on the bench soon.

36 posted on 03/05/2007 6:36:41 AM PST by Orca
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To: Rummyfan
"Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy."

Sure your honor and I can't wait for the day that a teacher decides that the 10 commandments are necessary for the students to learn morality. I'm certain that you will likewise rule that whatever the school deems appropriate is fine. Yeah, right.

37 posted on 03/05/2007 6:41:14 AM PST by marlon
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To: SJackson

Parents should immediately sue for the right to school choice.


38 posted on 03/05/2007 6:41:18 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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To: Carry_Okie

My husband and I are both homeschool graduates. You can be sure our kids will be homeschooled! Second generation of homeschoolers is where the growth really gets big. Your numbers may be on the low side if you're looking a decade out.


39 posted on 03/05/2007 6:43:22 AM PST by JenB
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To: SJackson

Wolf in a judgeskin?


40 posted on 03/05/2007 6:47:03 AM PST by A. Pole (Kwarcowy: "Non cogito ergo sum!")
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To: stentorian conservative
My three oldest are now in public HS and they are not only ahead of their public educated classmates, more importantly they have the ability to think for themselves and take responsibility for their education and actions.

So why send them to public HS? So they can spend a few years undoing all that?
41 posted on 03/05/2007 6:47:19 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: highlander_UW
If this ends up being upheld by the supreme court then it SHOULD be the point at which we discard public education. Shut down all the schools, give vouchers or just stop taking the taxes or a combination of the two. People can place their children in what is certain to be a better educational environment than public schools.

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The point where we **should** have discarded public education was passed **long** ago!

Government schools are infiltrated by Marxists and their useful idiots, the provide an inferior education, they promote homosexuality, anti-Christianity, pro-paganism, and anti-capitalism. The are anti-white male, and promote the U.N. one-world agenda. They hypersexualize our youth, and break down the natural and protective modesty of our youth. Teachers and principals sexual abuse children, and students brutalize each other. Children arrive at school immodestly dressed with piercings and tattoos, and using vulgar language. Skanky dancing is permitted at the school dances. Teachers and principals cooperate in the homosexual Day of Silence. In some cities, government schools can not even keep their bathrooms safe and working. School buses drag, crush, and kill children every year.

And...principals and teachers who can organize massive rallies to oppose vouchers and to support other favored political issues do nothing about conditions in their schools.

The time to remove your children and shut down government schools was **years** ago.
42 posted on 03/05/2007 6:47:43 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Amen, "wintertime!"


43 posted on 03/05/2007 6:48:29 AM PST by Orca
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To: JenB
Second generation of homeschoolers is where the growth really gets big.

I pray you are blessed with many beautiful children.

44 posted on 03/05/2007 6:48:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Carry_Okie
I have a plan for that end game.
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What is that plan?

Also...I find it infuriating. I believe the government is deliberately undercounting homeschooling.

For **years** I've been hearing that homeschoolers number 2 million. How can that be when it is evidently growing so fast?
45 posted on 03/05/2007 6:51:29 AM PST by wintertime
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

The Constitution never contemplated Sex-Ed (or any other liberal catechismal tenet) and all the penumbrae and tortisms in the universe will not make it so. Give me 10,000 well armed terrorists than one federal judge with an agenda.


46 posted on 03/05/2007 6:59:11 AM PST by Dionysius
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To: metmom

Bingo!!!

A letter writing campaign reminding this judge of that particular fact would be a good thing...

If that makes him mad...Oh well...He'll have to get over it...

I'd call his office as well...I'm sure his staff would love to hear from us taxpayers...

And I don't live in the state, go figure that one?!?!? hehehe


47 posted on 03/05/2007 7:07:08 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: stm

Ann did...She seems to be taking the heat well...

Good for her!


48 posted on 03/05/2007 7:08:15 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: SJackson
Remember the whole point of government schools is to indoctrinate the next generation. It is not about education, and really has never been since the Prussian model.
49 posted on 03/05/2007 7:16:36 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wintertime

I agree, wintertime...but as that hasn't happened "long ago" this would seem to be the final straw for any reasonable parent. When schools become nothing but an indoctrination tool then they have no value...except to those who control the content....and they shouldn't really want it either, but liberals are hypocrites to the core...they wouldn't be quite if hard core conservative principles were being indoctrinated into their children.


50 posted on 03/05/2007 7:18:50 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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