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Posted on 03/06/2007 5:39:37 PM PST by markomalley
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To: nopardons
To: flashbunny
To: gotribe
Why do I like him? Because he gets the job done? Go on. Which jobs has he got done and which ones do you expect him to get done?
503
posted on
03/07/2007 6:01:29 PM PST
by
SampleMan
(Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
To: gotribe
Rudy just doesn't need the NCR. That's Hillary's position too.
So your argument for why someone that doesn't approve of infanticide should get on board the Rudy Express is what?
504
posted on
03/07/2007 6:10:57 PM PST
by
SampleMan
(Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
To: gotribe
"
Rudy doesn't need you, and he's going to destroy hitlery"
Hitlery won't make it past the primaries and we don't need Rino Guiliani.
505
posted on
03/07/2007 6:24:51 PM PST
by
Outland
(Socialism is a mental disorder.)
To: GSlob
Murder being ancient doesn't give it credibility.
Life came first.
To: Giant Conservative
507
posted on
03/07/2007 6:42:28 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: GSlob
Abortion itself is inherently irrational.
To: Hildy
Why don't you go start your own party?
To: Clemenza
The main arguments of the "Rutards": 1. "He will stop Hillary" - You don't win with a negative, folks.
2. "He is good on foreign policy." Really? I haven't seen any of Rudy's writings in Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, National Interest, etc. Most of his speeches on the subject are superficial, and sound like they were xeroxed from Commentary and the Weekly Standard. No vision, no REALISM.
3. "Remember 9/11!" - This is a fetish. 'Nuff said.
4. "He will grow more conservative in office, and will appoint strict constructionist to the bench." This is what they said about Pataki, Whitman, and John Rowland. We all know how THOSE folks turned out.
5. "He's a fiscal conservative." Really? New York was a union dominated, high tax hellhole when Rudy took office. It REMAINS a high tax hellhole, despite the modest tax cuts proposed by Giussolini.
6. "He's America's Mayor." As said by the Murdoch media empire. Ruling over a city where third world immigrants and their children are a MAJORITY of the population, and white Christians are a small minority, where Republicans are outnumbered 5-1 and where most of those who voted for him also voted for Schumer and Kerry.
Good list.
To: Lexinom
It would be horribly tragic if we won the WOT but were defeated from within.
I don't know why we should settle for a candidate who will fight to win the WOT but escalate the chances for defeat at home, when there is/are candidates who can win and are willing to fight both.
511
posted on
03/07/2007 6:56:52 PM PST
by
TAdams8591
(Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
To: Giant Conservative
Au contraire, it is an entirely rational on the part of the woman involved [unless it be in China, in North Korea prison camp or other such place] and on the part of those performing the procedure, sometimes on the part of parents and boyfriends as well. More, as long as it is voluntary and deliberate, it is always rational, as all voluntary and deliberate actions are [rational in the reference framework of the person performing the action].
Irrationality is "I have two [or more] courses of action, A and B. In my opinion, B is better than A, therefore I will do A"]. And such a person has not yet been born, and never will.
If what a person does [as an extreme example, a self-immolation in a public square] appears irrational to you, it does not mean that the immolator was irrational - it merely means that in immolator's perception at the time, the benefits of his action [such as gathering publicity for his cause, or whatever else might be in his/her mind] outweighed the drawbacks you [an outside observer] would perceive - i.e. that his reference [value] frame is, or was at the time, different from yours. And in that reference value frame of his, his action would be entirely rational. As a corollary of this line of thought, all insanity defenses are ipso facto bogus.
512
posted on
03/07/2007 7:05:06 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: TAdams8591
That's precisely what so many of us see happening though. The Titanic sinks gradually while we clean up some crisis on the upper deck. This is why we've got to take the case to the American people with a candidate like Hunter, or Newt, or (perhaps) Thompson, who is multidimensional and can fight many battles simultaneously. We've got a big job ahead of us, as we can see just with recent exchanges among our own right here on FR.
513
posted on
03/07/2007 7:09:26 PM PST
by
Lexinom
(Duncan Hunter - the electable answer for the WOT and border security. www.gohunter08.com)
To: TAdams8591
Those are reasonable viewpoints.
514
posted on
03/07/2007 7:46:15 PM PST
by
gogeo
(Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
To: Giant Conservative; Hildy
To: nopardons
It is where it is, drama queen. And it is what it is.
I see you as one of the future-purged Arators of the Giuliette camp, that much is for sure.
To: wouldntbprudent
"I am aware of JimRob's post to me. He used it to refuse to answer direct questions, posed by me and others, regarding his approval of that thread's use of the words "treasonous liberals."That falls under the category of tough s***.
I had something far nobler in mind, but you Giuliettes like everything the hard way.
To: takenoprisoner; fatima
While he might eat a little less and chew a little slower in the beginning, he will eventually make large gains on the other glutenous man eating tiger as his appetite becomes ever so increasingly insatiable.Fascinating. But unrelated to choosing between the lesser of two evils so that, while someone bad might move forward, at least it will not be the worst one.
518
posted on
03/08/2007 3:29:08 AM PST
by
Siobhan
(Pray, pray, pray,)
To: Clemenza
Excellent summary of the most asinine reasons we should vote for Rudy. Great response too!
519
posted on
03/08/2007 3:32:09 AM PST
by
dmw
(Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
To: takenoprisoner
You have a great memory. Recall the video of the "friendly bear" that attacked the TV journalist who was encouraged to sit on a seat beside the bear? That's a prime analogy of what Rudy has done to conservatism and it's association with the Republican party.My compliments to you on that brilliant analogy.
520
posted on
03/08/2007 3:38:55 AM PST
by
Siobhan
(Pray, pray, pray,)
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