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Will a blood clot force Cheney to step down?
This Is London ^ | 3-6-2007 | an idiot in London

Posted on 03/06/2007 8:09:18 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing

Dick Cheney has been diagnosed with a blood clot in his left leg, leading to speculation he will be forced to resign as U.S. Vice-President.

The 66-year-old has a history of major health problems, including four heart attacks, and has undergone quadruple-bypass surgery.

He is a driving force in both the war in Iraq and the 'war on terror' and his resignation would be a huge loss to George Bush.

The vice-president is the leader of Washington's neo-conservatives and is believed to be a dominant influence on Mr Bush's military and foreign policies.

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To: HardStarboard

Something to help you get a grip on the Constitution. If Cheney steps down Bush nominates a new VP and the congress approves (or not). The nomination of Pelosi would be about as likely as a space alien walking through my door right now.


101 posted on 03/06/2007 10:09:01 PM PST by saganite
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To: HardStarboard

But both the president and V.P. have to both die/leave their offices at the same time, for the Speaker of the House to become president.


102 posted on 03/06/2007 10:09:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: HardStarboard

Bush would nominate the new VP and it sure as hell wouldn't be Peloser.


103 posted on 03/06/2007 10:10:22 PM PST by saganite
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To: staytrue

Me too. This forum is nothing like it was 5 years ago.


104 posted on 03/06/2007 10:10:26 PM PST by afraid
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To: DalcoTX
Not nearly the same thing as the president thinking about making him VEEP!

Cheney isn't leaving.

105 posted on 03/06/2007 10:10:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing
Fred could be VP while working on his run for 2008.


106 posted on 03/06/2007 10:13:52 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: REDWOOD99; nopardons
Apologies to you NP. The Anti-Nepotism Act was passed in 1967 post Bobby Kennedy.

I got caught up in my research with Democrat bloggers discussing how they can get that law changed so that Billy Jeff can be in Hillary's Cabinet if she wins in 2008. Seems that some of them think B. Clinton can "clean up the mess in the world that W has made". If they can't skirt the law, they want him for Ambassador to the UN...Another blog said Bush should be impeached because he broke the Anti-Nepotism law by appointing Liz Cheney to the State Dept. and they listed other examples of relatives being appointed. Totally ridiculous.

Sean Hannity did say, at least once, that he wanted Jeb for W's veep...he does get excited at times, though, so likely he was unaware of the law or forgot about it or was caught up in the moment.

107 posted on 03/06/2007 10:30:31 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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To: doug from upland

Cheney isn't leaving.


108 posted on 03/06/2007 10:40:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: daisyscarlett
Many thanks for the lovely reply; I appreciate the apology, greatly.

I was an adult when that law was passed and since I've ALWAYS been a news/political junkie, with an excellent memory, I knew that I was correct. It's also a topic that has been discussed on FR, for years.

I hope that you washed, after reading Dem bloggers.

109 posted on 03/06/2007 10:45:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I don't expect him to leave.


110 posted on 03/06/2007 11:16:20 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: CyberAnt
Although this has only happened recently as Nixon and Ford are the only presidents who have been able to appoint a VP.

About the article I do not see how a blood clot would force him to resign, some simple rest, along with blood thingers like Coumadin should clear the clot right up.

111 posted on 03/06/2007 11:19:28 PM PST by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: Jewels1091
Well Jewel, I was reading down this string and was beginning to wonder if "anyone" was going to state the obvious. "Finally" you did! Who knows, Chaney's clot may be a rouse to allow the Prez to slip Condi in as VP and thereby allow her to get some visibility as the #2 so to prep her for the #1 spot in the upcoming election. Well, we can hope can't we?
112 posted on 03/06/2007 11:34:06 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: snoringbear

you mean 'Cheney' and 'ruse', but no, I doubt it's a ruse. He did a lot of flying, all that time sitting on planes plus his heart condition...(ignore if you were kidding!)


113 posted on 03/06/2007 11:56:50 PM PST by tina07 (In Memory of my Father - WWII Army Air Force Veteran)
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing

I wonder if he got it during his recent trips on Air Force 2?


114 posted on 03/07/2007 12:09:06 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing

Make Hellarey VP. Then no Rats will vote for her for being a Pub VP ;)LOL /s


115 posted on 03/07/2007 12:33:32 AM PST by quietolong
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To: chesty_puller

Nut


116 posted on 03/07/2007 12:50:54 AM PST by Syncro
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To: bnelson44

Hillary would never let the dems approve Condi- are you kidding?


117 posted on 03/07/2007 12:59:34 AM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush if given a chance.)
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To: mysterio
The very fact he went back to work on the day it was diagnosed and the following day was photographed on his way to his regular luncheon on capital hill walking and carrying his bunch of papers indicates to me that it is not considered that serious.

Yes it has the potential to be serious but as with most of him problems in the past listening to his body he has caught it quick and it has been dealt with.

He maybe restricted on air travel for a little while but that I doubt will last very long but apart from that it obvious as was stated by his office yesterday that he is going about his schedule as normal.
118 posted on 03/07/2007 1:15:29 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I totally agree and in this instance even the articles on the web are saying this which was not the case with other things that he has had wrong with him in the past.

All the medical experts that the various media outlets have consulted even the MSM are saying that on 4 out of 5 reasons for the clot they would attribute to the extended air travel he has recently undertaken and not any underlying medical issues.

Yes he has a roomy plane but he would have spent a awful lot of time in a sitting position whilst traveling probably with feet under a table reading. He is well known for wanting to be totally briefed and informed on subjects and also for reading in general. I suspect his next travel schedule with include regularly moving around.

One wonders had Lynne been with him whether this time he would have probably have moved around more after all he jokes that she keeps an eye on what he eats I bet she also keeps an eye on this as well when they travel.
119 posted on 03/07/2007 1:34:40 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: shandi

Absolutely amazing yes his air travel maybe contricted for a few days maybe even a few weeks but apart from that he has shown by attending the luncheon on Tuesday and returning to work straight after it was found that he schedule is not going to be that much affected.


120 posted on 03/07/2007 1:36:55 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Yes the VP has had 4 hearts attacks from what I have read 2 of which most people would not even have thought they had had one. I suspect he is one of these people that are very in tune with their body and notice the slightest change or non normal ache or pain.

His main problem and the cause of the heart attacks is coronary artery disease hence why he had a quadruple bypass in the late 1980s and since has had stents.

He also does have pacemaker as a very slight irregular heart beat was diagnosed but it has been reported on every check up that this has never ever activated.

His schedule and his hunting activities would indicate to me that he condition is very stable and under control.

Regarding the clots from what I understand again as with the heart attacks in the past upon having some discomfort (this time some slight pain in the leg) and it was decided prudent to check it out.

It was confirmed that the clot was not in a vein/artery so the likelihood of it being connected with his medical history is very very slim and as has been stated many times is likely to be because of prolonged air travel in a sitting position. My guess also with his legs under a table reading.
121 posted on 03/07/2007 1:46:41 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: CFC__VRWC

Absolutely though this time they are more muted as to the cause I suppose because so much publicity there has been about this and air travel that even they thick we are not that stupid.


122 posted on 03/07/2007 1:48:32 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Kevmo

IMHO anybody connected with this administration would stand zero chance of becoming the next President the MSM would see to this.


123 posted on 03/07/2007 1:51:36 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing

Oh yes, the VPOTUS MUST step down! Of course!

Then again, we've got a "sitting" senator who's disabled from an anurism, and we've had dead men elected to the senate.

I think that having the President of the Senate with a blood clot in his leg is no big deal!

Mark


124 posted on 03/07/2007 2:58:28 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Ingtar
Laura Bush.

Wasn't some anti-nepotism legislation passed in the wake of the JFK-RFK tag team of POTUS and AG that would ban Laura Bush from holding an appointed office?

Mark

125 posted on 03/07/2007 3:01:58 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: snugs

Thanks for your reply. One wouldn't know just by looking at Cheney that he had four heart attacks and a quadruple bypass. He looks great :)

I was just curious about recognizing bloodclots, because my feet and lower legs are swollen. My right leg looks a little lumpy. I haven't had surgery or anything, but am checked out on a regular basis.

I wish Cheney would run for president. I'd vote for him in a minute, but also understand that maybe he'd like to retire.


126 posted on 03/07/2007 3:27:06 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing

Sick of all the morbid speculation the msm loves to idulge in. Why not wait. . .should Cheney decide at any time; that his health requires a 'retirement'; then speculate away. Otherwise, it is what it is. . .a 'fantasy'- the Left cannot help but indulge themselves with.


127 posted on 03/07/2007 3:57:21 AM PST by cricket
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To: saganite
But a new appointment would have to be approved by a Dem-controlled congress, who would try to force a "moderate"

Then they would try to remove Bush

128 posted on 03/07/2007 4:00:43 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: CFC__VRWC

I mentioned that earlier.

"The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

I see no reason why this cannot apply to the Vice President, if Bush so chooses.


130 posted on 03/07/2007 6:31:40 AM PST by zendari
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To: nopardons; CyberAnt
Like you, I too am fed up with the sudden plethora of really ignorant posts.

Because of that, and the go-for-blood rude discourse at times, I have become a part-time FReeper. I could post an article on the weather and someone will twist it to an abortion thread.

131 posted on 03/07/2007 6:42:00 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: CyberAnt

What are you talking about? I won't vote for McMain, ever.


132 posted on 03/07/2007 7:43:39 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: CyberAnt

Uh, McCain I mean.


133 posted on 03/07/2007 7:44:34 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: bnelson44

Oh please. She's so weak. She's been a very disappointing SOS.


134 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:44 AM PST by veronica ('My 80% ally is not my 20% enemy.' ........Rudy reminds us what Ronald Reagan said.)
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To: MarkL

I don't know about anti-nepotism laws. I was simply amused at the thought of the first Vice President being an appointed Republican. Especially if for some reason President Bush stepped down a few hours early. It is much more creative than removing the Ws from the keyboards.


135 posted on 03/07/2007 7:53:09 AM PST by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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To: Jewels1091

Do you think Condi would be confirmed?


136 posted on 03/07/2007 7:55:40 AM PST by janereinheimer
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To: CyberAnt
ARE YOU JUST TOO LAZY TO READ THE CONSTITUTION .. OR WHAT ..??

Or pick up a history book. When Spiro Agnew resigned, Gerald Ford became VP, not Carl Albert.
137 posted on 03/07/2007 7:56:06 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: The Pack Knight

What a stupid article. Did FDR step down because he was a victim of polio? No!


138 posted on 03/07/2007 7:58:17 AM PST by swatbuznik
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To: janereinheimer

I think so, how on earth could the democrats hold her back right now? They would make alot of people mad, some that vote their way most of the time, but this would look way to nasty!


139 posted on 03/07/2007 8:03:32 AM PST by Jewels1091
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To: swatbuznik
What a stupid article. Did FDR step down because he was a victim of polio? No!

Woodrow Wilson served out the final 16 months of his Presidency severely incapacitated by a stroke. His staff simply kept him away from the Vice President and his Cabinet, and the public was never informed of the extent of his disability until after his death 5 years later. I would say it was one of the reasons for Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.
140 posted on 03/07/2007 8:16:25 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: saganite
>>> The nomination of Pelosi would be about as likely as a space alien walking through my door right now.<<<

With the level of hate for Bush and Cheney amoungst our liberal-wacko friends, the odds are still too high for my liking.

How sure are you there aren't lots of space aliens?

141 posted on 03/07/2007 8:31:29 AM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: daisyscarlett; REDWOOD99; nopardons
Apologies to you NP. The Anti-Nepotism Act was passed in 1967 post Bobby Kennedy.

I dug up the text of the Act. Here's the operative paragraph. (5 USC Sec. 3110)

b) A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual.

Note the term "appoint", and no exception is made for the office of Vice President. One might argue that the term "nominate" isn't there, but that could be construed as advocating for employment. The President IS covered by this law (exceprt from paragraph A)..

(2) "public official" means an officer (including the President and a Member of Congress)...

And yes, since I know you're all dying to read more of this scintillating prose, here's the link.

Document on uscode.house.gov (lengthy URL)

So, in short, no, the President cannot nominate his brother as Vice President. The Anti-Nepotism Act is the law, and it conflicts with nothing in the 25th Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution.
142 posted on 03/07/2007 8:39:30 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: zendari; CFC__VRWC
"The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session." I see no reason why this cannot apply to the Vice President, if Bush so chooses.

One COULD make the argument this clause only applies to appointments made under Article II, Section 2. If that's the case, read the previous paragraph...

..and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for...

The Vice President's appointment is "herein otherwise provided for", namely in the 25th Amendment, which states, in Section 2...

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

I suppose he could commission an Acting Vice President, but since he cannot formally take the office before confirmation by both Houses of Congress, I don't think that Acting Vice President could be considered the lawful Vice President for purposes of Presidential succession.

In short, I do not think the President could fill a vacant Vice Presidency through recess appointment, at least not without leaving the Speaker as his (the President's) lawful successor. IF the Vice President steps down (not going to happen), and IF Congress refuses to confirm a successor (even less likely, unless the President nominates someone way out there), the President will likely serve out his term without a Vice President.
143 posted on 03/07/2007 9:10:05 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: nopardons; CyberAnt
Sadly, far too few posters here, now, know even the most basic thing about politics or government and it keeps getting worse. Like you, I too am fed up with the sudden plethora of really ignorant posts.

Geez, lighten up. So some people posting here are ignorant. Well, it's a good thing they're posting here so they'll get enlightened, right?
144 posted on 03/07/2007 9:14:52 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: HardStarboard

Bush gets to make the nomination. You honestly think there's a chance he would nominate any Democrat much less her?


145 posted on 03/07/2007 9:15:07 AM PST by saganite
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To: The Pack Knight

Then the question becomes:

Does "herein" refer to the entire Constitution, or only Article II?


I guess the other question is how long litigation of this would take through the courts and whether it would even be done.


146 posted on 03/07/2007 9:15:40 AM PST by zendari
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To: zendari
Does "herein" refer to the entire Constitution, or only Article II?

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that it wouldn't be the entire Constitution, considering the only other positions whose appointment is provided for in Article II is that of Electors and of the Vice President. Furthermore, the 25th Amendment specifically revises Article II. This clause is almost certainly there to prevent the President from claiming the power to appoint members of Congress and other elected officials. And, lets not forget, the Vice President is not simply a member of the President's staff or an officer of the executive branch, but an elected official in his own right. The process for choosing a Vice President is clearly laid out in the Constitution, separately from the President's authority to appoint Officers of the United States.

I'm more sure of this now than I was when I started; the President doesn't have the authority to appoint a Vice President unilaterally, even through a recess appointment. Nor, I think, should he. We may like the current President and dislike the current majority in Congress, but that's not a good enough reason, for me anyway, to give the President more authority than he was intended to have.
147 posted on 03/07/2007 9:35:43 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: saganite
Look saga....I finished high-school. I understand how Presidential succession works.

You started out by asking "who mentioned Pelosi?"

I merely pointed out that Pelosi is in the line of succession - evidently the fact I didn't qualify that by saying "in the tragic case both the POTUS and VPOTUS were to die" seems to have gotten your shorts in a knot.

Hopefully, you'll learn to cope.

148 posted on 03/07/2007 9:54:21 AM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; altura
The speculation on this thread is ridiculous for the third day running despite the blood clot we have photos of the VP going about his normal business. Here today on Capital Hill at a joint meeting of Congress

Vice President Dick Cheney and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (R) await the arrival of Jordan's King Abdullah to address a joint session of Congress in the U.S. Capitol in Washington to speak about peace in the Middle East March 7, 2007
149 posted on 03/07/2007 10:02:02 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs

Then it would actually be advantageous for someone like Hunter to turn it down? I'm not so sure about that. He would, to be sure, get all the publicity he needs either way. But having Air Force One, media access, republican support, and even all that extra time (what does a VP do, anyways?) would come in real handy at this stage of a campaign.


150 posted on 03/07/2007 10:08:39 AM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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