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Posted on 03/07/2007 7:48:42 AM PST by csistrueblue
12 Washington State High School Students Suspended for Public Prayer Group
By Gudrun Schultz
VANCOUVER, Washington, March 6, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A number of students who formed an interdenominational prayer group at a Washington state high school were expelled by the administration last week over their refusal to hold a morning prayer session in a closed room, The Columbian reported March 2.
Twelve students at Heritage High School in Vancouver, WA, were suspended last Friday after continuing to meet for morning prayer in the commons area of the school, despite a faculty order that they stop causing physical "disruption" to student traffic with public prayer.
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Heritage High School 7825 NE 130th Avenue, Vancouver, WA 98682
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Now if they ranted about killing cops and bangin' chicks that would had been acceptable.
Let's be careful here, and make sure that the right thing is being argued.
Sounds to me from the story that the problem is that they're blocking traffic in a high-traffic area. If that's all this is, they should be more reasonable.
I am sure they will receive the same treatment from the media that the Imams received after attempting to "pray in public" on the airline... while talking about Osama bin Laden, moving into the "9/11 formation" and bashing Bush.
the principal continued, "however next week is "tolerance week" and we fully expect each student to dress as muslims and attendance at the "islam is a religion of peace" seminar is required. all students will be required to take muslim names and a study of the koran will be added to the first period "introduction to home economics" class..(do I even need a sarc/ tag??)
Not so fast. It sounds as if they were asked to have their meetings in a room and refused to do it. The school has a right to say where they can meet.
I think they should have accepted the private room if their prayer was disrupting student traffic flow. Would those who support this support Muslim prayer rugs in the commons area too? I don't hold to the notion that any religious group should have the right to disrupt the normal operations of a secular organization, including the schools. This sounds like the kids were trying to be confrontational, or in-your-face about their prayer. My kids prayed with fellow students before high school too, but at their church an hour before school started. Were they truly seeking God's blessings or were they trying to make a political statement?
the article said they were blocking traffic....
Off to rehab for them.
Yup. They should have obeyed the rules.
"Let's be careful here, and make sure that the right thing is being argued"
...I would usually agree with your statement. However, the fact remains that there is and has been a double standard in regard to Christians vs Muslims. Several have already commented on what the treatment would be if these were Muslims chanting and praying. If so, this would be a non story. Instead, it's a group of Christians, and as we all know, it's easy to bash and push around a group of Christians. It's the "progressive" thing to do. I encourage all freepers to e-mail the principal with their thoughts.
But going off half-cocked is so much more fun!
An assistant superintendent at the school said the students were given suspensions for refusing to obey a faculty directive not to block traffic in the public area.
"No one gets suspended because they pray. This is a story of some kids who chose to defy a legitimate request by administrators to not disrupt other students," Bill Bentley said. Administrators had offered a classroom for the students' use, to ensure other students were not offended and the group did not obstruct traffic.
Rapes, robbery, beatings,stabbings,shootings,drinking, drug sales, drug use,prostitution and violent gangs. Never mind that they can't read or write, MUST stop the praying!
They get expelled from a public school, is that a really punishment or is it a reward?
It's amazing to see the anti-Christian hatred growing daily, right before our eyes.
It's the latter part that I'd have no problem with. But the former is a problem. If they're merely ~visible~ to other students, well, too bad. There shouldn't be a problem of them merely being in a public place, unless their little drum circle is in the middle of traffic.
It sounds like this group is putting themselves right in the middle of things, though. They went fishing for a confrontation and got one. My sympathy factor is low, so far.
Schools are becoming the new offices of jack-booted thugs it appears.
"god" (NEA) forbid there should be prayer there.
As I suspected.
Shame on you!
Indeed. What's wrong with a closed room? We don't want the diaperheads to gain the right to shout "Allahu Akbar" in every high school cafeteria in the nation.
Yep, if they had been members of TROP there would be NO PROBLEM speaking in class, etc. Besides the other could just be a smokescreen. It's not exactly like a lot of them have been friendly especially to Christians.
I agree with you.
I don't like the way Christians are singled out any more than anyone else, but they cannot form a prayer group in the hallway of a public school. They just can't do it. They were not asked to stop. They were asked to take it to a designated area and to clear the hallway.
Uh... what in the world...?
LOL. Little trigger-happy this morning are we?
The 'commons' area from another report was the school cafeteria. Bottom line is that the school had no right to prohibit this activity or denying the requested organization and meeting of a prayer club during non-school times. This has been well established through court proceedings over the past several years.
The $64,000 question is not whether the prayerful students were told to move, but whether the administration has allowed other groups to assemble in the same area.
Come on everyone, this country was founded on Christianity, and we have the freedom on religion and the free exercise thereof. The muslims can do their praying anywhere they want. To a true conservative, what in the world do we have to argue about? This is why our country and government is in such a mess, so many are afraid to stand up for what they believe. Caving at every liberal wish. If God is in your life and you want to pray at a restaurant or school, or on the street, you should not be punished for it. Some of you better go back and read you "Bill of Rights".
Everyone using that entrance walks by them and observes them and there is no traffic flow disruption or issues of praying inside the school.
These Vancouver kids surely are not less wimpy about bad weather than Connecticut kids, are they?
Agreed. My sympathy factor for people trying to run a school these days is growing. :~)
>>Raper's suit has no mentions of medical problems involving her now 2-year-old daughter.<<
Absolutely! They should not be "looking for a fight" The problem is not what they were doing, the problem is they were blocking traffic when they were doing it.
Of course, that is assuming the blocking traffic thing is true.
That Is the appropriate question. I will note however that it is the same group of posters here on FR that would be raising hell if the Muslins had requested a closed area for their prayer.
To be completely correct, they were asked to use a "closed" room. The closing of the room likely is part of the issue, as well.
A co-ed masturbation seminar would be ok tho??
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
after continuing to meet for morning prayer in the commons area of the school,
Commons area is not a hallway, it's a lunchroom type enviroment.
That, and I don't think it helped matters for Megan to refer to students who complained as 'pagans.' I read the whole piece and evidently a prayer group that met on the sidewalk in front of the school was okay as they weren't on school property - maybe it's an easement...?
Ummm... you appear to have pasted this quote on the wrong thread.
Or the ski club, or the chess club... heck, lets have all the clubs meet in the middle of the commons and try to out-shout each other.
I think it'd be simpler if we just had kids going to school to go to class and not make it a springboard to every hobby or interest people might have, but the offer of using classrooms, not the commons, for group gatherings seems a reasonable one.
>>Ummm... you appear to have pasted this quote on the wrong thread.<<
Yeah, what would a Raper be doing with a daughter. Maybe a Rapper...
Your caution is well taken. Reasonable restrictions on time place and manner are permissible.
Let's not Freep. These students were offered a room to pray in but that wasn't enough for them. They had to disrupt traffic and disturb others, all in the name of prayer. If all they wanted to do was pray, they clearly could have used the room that was offered. But no, they obviously wanted to proselytize by this public prayer spectacle they were offering up. What was it that Jesus said about those who pray in public?
There is case law which states student groups are allowed to have student lead prayers in the public areas.
The students in the case were meeting at the flag pole to pray.
If they were blocking the hall then they have a problem, however if they were meeting in a commons area where OTHER student groups are allowed to meet in the same manner then the school's case is DOA.
I'm not convinced it was a traffic flow issue.
It is POSSIBLY an issue of wanting to shove the Christians behind closed doors while other groups can meet at will in the cafeteria/commons area.
If they were blocking traffic--fine--a reasonable issue.
If they were meeting in a corner of a large public room and the administration wanted them unseen behind closed doors while other groups are allowed in the public space, that's NOT FINE.
actually if you read THOUGHT the reporter spin of the school board it sounds like they were JUST VISIBLE to other students.
Essentially the school is complaining the gathering was causing rubbernecking.
If the homosexual sex club was having a hump in in the common area, rubbernecking would be made mandatory by the administration.