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12 Washington State High School Students Suspended for Public Prayer Group
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | March6, 2007 | Gudrun Schultz

Posted on 03/07/2007 7:48:42 AM PST by csistrueblue

12 Washington State High School Students Suspended for Public Prayer Group

By Gudrun Schultz

VANCOUVER, Washington, March 6, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A number of students who formed an interdenominational prayer group at a Washington state high school were expelled by the administration last week over their refusal to hold a morning prayer session in a closed room, The Columbian reported March 2.

Twelve students at Heritage High School in Vancouver, WA, were suspended last Friday after continuing to meet for morning prayer in the commons area of the school, despite a faculty order that they stop causing physical "disruption" to student traffic with public prayer.

To express concerns, contact:

Heritage High School 7825 NE 130th Avenue, Vancouver, WA 98682

Phone: (360) 604-3400

Principal: Anne Sosky asosky@egreen.wednet.edu


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KEYWORDS: freedomofspeech; schoolprayer
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Hey - Let's Freep - here is the Principals email

Principal: Anne Sosky asosky@egreen.wednet.edu

1 posted on 03/07/2007 7:48:45 AM PST by csistrueblue
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To: csistrueblue

Now if they ranted about killing cops and bangin' chicks that would had been acceptable.


2 posted on 03/07/2007 7:50:57 AM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: csistrueblue

Let's be careful here, and make sure that the right thing is being argued.

Sounds to me from the story that the problem is that they're blocking traffic in a high-traffic area. If that's all this is, they should be more reasonable.


3 posted on 03/07/2007 7:52:04 AM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: csistrueblue

I am sure they will receive the same treatment from the media that the Imams received after attempting to "pray in public" on the airline... while talking about Osama bin Laden, moving into the "9/11 formation" and bashing Bush.


4 posted on 03/07/2007 7:52:23 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: csistrueblue
"A number of students who formed an interdenominational prayer group at a Washington state high school were expelled by the administration"


She should change her last name to Slowsky, this woman is deranged!
5 posted on 03/07/2007 7:52:39 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (As for me, I will remain neutral...for the time being.)
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To: csistrueblue

the principal continued, "however next week is "tolerance week" and we fully expect each student to dress as muslims and attendance at the "islam is a religion of peace" seminar is required. all students will be required to take muslim names and a study of the koran will be added to the first period "introduction to home economics" class..(do I even need a sarc/ tag??)


6 posted on 03/07/2007 7:52:55 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Never argue with an idiot..they'll bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience..)
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To: csistrueblue

Not so fast. It sounds as if they were asked to have their meetings in a room and refused to do it. The school has a right to say where they can meet.


7 posted on 03/07/2007 7:54:59 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: csistrueblue

I think they should have accepted the private room if their prayer was disrupting student traffic flow. Would those who support this support Muslim prayer rugs in the commons area too? I don't hold to the notion that any religious group should have the right to disrupt the normal operations of a secular organization, including the schools. This sounds like the kids were trying to be confrontational, or in-your-face about their prayer. My kids prayed with fellow students before high school too, but at their church an hour before school started. Were they truly seeking God's blessings or were they trying to make a political statement?


8 posted on 03/07/2007 7:55:25 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Ramius

the article said they were blocking traffic....


9 posted on 03/07/2007 7:55:35 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in New Orleans and Philly!)
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To: csistrueblue

Off to rehab for them.


10 posted on 03/07/2007 7:55:51 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (This tag line has no carbon credit offsets for sale.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Yup. They should have obeyed the rules.


11 posted on 03/07/2007 7:56:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Ramius

"Let's be careful here, and make sure that the right thing is being argued"

...I would usually agree with your statement. However, the fact remains that there is and has been a double standard in regard to Christians vs Muslims. Several have already commented on what the treatment would be if these were Muslims chanting and praying. If so, this would be a non story. Instead, it's a group of Christians, and as we all know, it's easy to bash and push around a group of Christians. It's the "progressive" thing to do. I encourage all freepers to e-mail the principal with their thoughts.


12 posted on 03/07/2007 7:57:42 AM PST by albie
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To: Ramius
Let's be careful here, and make sure that the right thing is being argued. Sounds to me from the story that the problem is that they're blocking traffic in a high-traffic area. If that's all this is, they should be more reasonable.

But going off half-cocked is so much more fun!

An assistant superintendent at the school said the students were given suspensions for refusing to obey a faculty directive not to block traffic in the public area.

"No one gets suspended because they pray. This is a story of some kids who chose to defy a legitimate request by administrators to not disrupt other students," Bill Bentley said. Administrators had offered a classroom for the students' use, to ensure other students were not offended and the group did not obstruct traffic.


13 posted on 03/07/2007 7:58:47 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: csistrueblue
Aaaaaah the redundancy.
I keep shouting from the rooftops that if people love their children they will teach them themselves and put an end to public funded education. Until this concept is adopted and becomes a reality I will no longer be surprised by the leftist, anti-American, anti-Christian, bureaucratic progressives in the public school system running roughshod over your children.
14 posted on 03/07/2007 8:00:17 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
You forgot that all day long the school shall be under Muslim law and any girl that is alone with a boy for any amount of time will be sentenced to 90 lashes.

I mean, if they are going to be diverse, they have to follow the culture exactly. Am I right? No learning for the girls that day and if any girl shows her belly with a short shirt she is to be jailed indefinitely.
15 posted on 03/07/2007 8:00:43 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Shouldn't that read "Scimitar" is required?
16 posted on 03/07/2007 8:01:33 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: csistrueblue

Rapes, robbery, beatings,stabbings,shootings,drinking, drug sales, drug use,prostitution and violent gangs. Never mind that they can't read or write, MUST stop the praying!


17 posted on 03/07/2007 8:01:42 AM PST by Frankss
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To: csistrueblue
Hey cares what those PAGANS think?  Lets just take them all out back and shoot them.
18 posted on 03/07/2007 8:01:49 AM PST by Shots (Loose Lips sink ships.........)
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To: csistrueblue

They get expelled from a public school, is that a really punishment or is it a reward?


19 posted on 03/07/2007 8:05:36 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: csistrueblue
So, what's everyone's best guess as to when the Christians start to be fed to lions?

It's amazing to see the anti-Christian hatred growing daily, right before our eyes.

20 posted on 03/07/2007 8:06:06 AM PST by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: HairOfTheDog
...to ensure other students were not offended and the group did not obstruct traffic.

It's the latter part that I'd have no problem with. But the former is a problem. If they're merely ~visible~ to other students, well, too bad. There shouldn't be a problem of them merely being in a public place, unless their little drum circle is in the middle of traffic.

It sounds like this group is putting themselves right in the middle of things, though. They went fishing for a confrontation and got one. My sympathy factor is low, so far.

21 posted on 03/07/2007 8:06:23 AM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: csistrueblue

Schools are becoming the new offices of jack-booted thugs it appears.

"god" (NEA) forbid there should be prayer there.


22 posted on 03/07/2007 8:06:42 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: HairOfTheDog
to ensure other students were not offended

As I suspected.

23 posted on 03/07/2007 8:07:18 AM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08! FReepmail me to get on the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: Ramius
Yet you have no problems, I'm sure, with sodomites running naked through the middle of the street playing grab arse right?

Shame on you!

24 posted on 03/07/2007 8:09:00 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: Ramius
Sounds to me from the story that the problem is that they're blocking traffic in a high-traffic area. If that's all this is, they should be more reasonable.

Indeed. What's wrong with a closed room? We don't want the diaperheads to gain the right to shout "Allahu Akbar" in every high school cafeteria in the nation.

25 posted on 03/07/2007 8:09:22 AM PST by montag813
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To: Mr. Brightside

Yep, if they had been members of TROP there would be NO PROBLEM speaking in class, etc. Besides the other could just be a smokescreen. It's not exactly like a lot of them have been friendly especially to Christians.


26 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:01 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: csistrueblue
Hey - Let's Freep

Hold on there, we need more info on the disruption of the flow of traffic.
27 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:01 AM PST by BJClinton (Gore is like the evangalist that rails against homosexuality then hires male prostitutes.)
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To: Ramius

I agree with you.

I don't like the way Christians are singled out any more than anyone else, but they cannot form a prayer group in the hallway of a public school. They just can't do it. They were not asked to stop. They were asked to take it to a designated area and to clear the hallway.


28 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:43 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (HUNTER: "I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative.")
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To: EndWelfareToday

Uh... what in the world...?

LOL. Little trigger-happy this morning are we?


29 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:49 AM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Ramius
Sounds to me from the story that the problem is that they're blocking traffic in a high-traffic area. If that's all this is, they should be more reasonable.

The 'commons' area from another report was the school cafeteria. Bottom line is that the school had no right to prohibit this activity or denying the requested organization and meeting of a prayer club during non-school times. This has been well established through court proceedings over the past several years.

30 posted on 03/07/2007 8:14:12 AM PST by Godzilla (Got Jesus? Its hell with out Him.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

The $64,000 question is not whether the prayerful students were told to move, but whether the administration has allowed other groups to assemble in the same area.


31 posted on 03/07/2007 8:14:37 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: csistrueblue

Come on everyone, this country was founded on Christianity, and we have the freedom on religion and the free exercise thereof. The muslims can do their praying anywhere they want. To a true conservative, what in the world do we have to argue about? This is why our country and government is in such a mess, so many are afraid to stand up for what they believe. Caving at every liberal wish. If God is in your life and you want to pray at a restaurant or school, or on the street, you should not be punished for it. Some of you better go back and read you "Bill of Rights".


32 posted on 03/07/2007 8:15:46 AM PST by moneypenny (if your for the UN, you are UNAmerican)
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To: Ramius
A Christian prayer group meets all year round outside the front entrance to the public high school here.

Everyone using that entrance walks by them and observes them and there is no traffic flow disruption or issues of praying inside the school.

These Vancouver kids surely are not less wimpy about bad weather than Connecticut kids, are they?

33 posted on 03/07/2007 8:16:50 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Ramius
They went fishing for a confrontation and got one. My sympathy factor is low, so far.

Agreed. My sympathy factor for people trying to run a school these days is growing. :~)

34 posted on 03/07/2007 8:17:20 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Ramius

>>Raper's suit has no mentions of medical problems involving her now 2-year-old daughter.<<

Absolutely! They should not be "looking for a fight" The problem is not what they were doing, the problem is they were blocking traffic when they were doing it.

Of course, that is assuming the blocking traffic thing is true.


35 posted on 03/07/2007 8:21:01 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

That Is the appropriate question. I will note however that it is the same group of posters here on FR that would be raising hell if the Muslins had requested a closed area for their prayer.


36 posted on 03/07/2007 8:21:20 AM PST by politicalwit (Freedom doesn't mean a Free Pass.)
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To: Froufrou

To be completely correct, they were asked to use a "closed" room. The closing of the room likely is part of the issue, as well.


37 posted on 03/07/2007 8:22:48 AM PST by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: csistrueblue

A co-ed masturbation seminar would be ok tho??

shee-it


38 posted on 03/07/2007 8:25:04 AM PST by lawdude (2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
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To: csistrueblue


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


39 posted on 03/07/2007 8:25:08 AM PST by moneypenny (if your for the UN, you are UNAmerican)
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To: Ramius

after continuing to meet for morning prayer in the commons area of the school,

Commons area is not a hallway, it's a lunchroom type enviroment.


40 posted on 03/07/2007 8:25:54 AM PST by Son House ( The Presidents enemies, are my enemies.)
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To: MortMan

That, and I don't think it helped matters for Megan to refer to students who complained as 'pagans.' I read the whole piece and evidently a prayer group that met on the sidewalk in front of the school was okay as they weren't on school property - maybe it's an easement...?


41 posted on 03/07/2007 8:25:59 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: RobRoy
>>Raper's suit has no mentions of medical problems involving her now 2-year-old daughter.<<

Ummm... you appear to have pasted this quote on the wrong thread.

42 posted on 03/07/2007 8:26:42 AM PST by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: politicalwit

Or the ski club, or the chess club... heck, lets have all the clubs meet in the middle of the commons and try to out-shout each other.

I think it'd be simpler if we just had kids going to school to go to class and not make it a springboard to every hobby or interest people might have, but the offer of using classrooms, not the commons, for group gatherings seems a reasonable one.


43 posted on 03/07/2007 8:29:38 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Ramius
??? Not wearing your glasses this morning?
I said S H O U T I N G not S H O O T I N G.

Have a better day. ;-)
44 posted on 03/07/2007 8:33:50 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: MortMan

>>Ummm... you appear to have pasted this quote on the wrong thread.<<

Yeah, what would a Raper be doing with a daughter. Maybe a Rapper...


45 posted on 03/07/2007 8:36:54 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Ramius

Your caution is well taken. Reasonable restrictions on time place and manner are permissible.


46 posted on 03/07/2007 8:38:33 AM PST by almcbean
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To: csistrueblue

Let's not Freep. These students were offered a room to pray in but that wasn't enough for them. They had to disrupt traffic and disturb others, all in the name of prayer. If all they wanted to do was pray, they clearly could have used the room that was offered. But no, they obviously wanted to proselytize by this public prayer spectacle they were offering up. What was it that Jesus said about those who pray in public?


47 posted on 03/07/2007 8:41:49 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Froufrou

There is case law which states student groups are allowed to have student lead prayers in the public areas.

The students in the case were meeting at the flag pole to pray.

If they were blocking the hall then they have a problem, however if they were meeting in a commons area where OTHER student groups are allowed to meet in the same manner then the school's case is DOA.


48 posted on 03/07/2007 8:41:49 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: caseinpoint; All

I'm not convinced it was a traffic flow issue.

It is POSSIBLY an issue of wanting to shove the Christians behind closed doors while other groups can meet at will in the cafeteria/commons area.

If they were blocking traffic--fine--a reasonable issue.

If they were meeting in a corner of a large public room and the administration wanted them unseen behind closed doors while other groups are allowed in the public space, that's NOT FINE.


49 posted on 03/07/2007 8:43:49 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Ramius

actually if you read THOUGHT the reporter spin of the school board it sounds like they were JUST VISIBLE to other students.

Essentially the school is complaining the gathering was causing rubbernecking.

If the homosexual sex club was having a hump in in the common area, rubbernecking would be made mandatory by the administration.


50 posted on 03/07/2007 8:45:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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