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What's Happening to Conservative Websites?
vanity | 3-7-07 | Bob J

Posted on 03/07/2007 6:57:43 PM PST by Bob J

I have diligently watched the rise in size and influence of conservative websites, including Free Republic, over the last 7-8 years. I have been shocked and concerned over the drop in traffic at the most popular ones over the last year or so. There was good growth up until 2006 but since then there has been a steady downtrend that would crash any other market.

Anyone have any ideas as to what is happening? I'm out of explanations. The deficiencies in alexa.com are noted, but even if the numbers aren't accurate you're still comparing off numbers to off numbers so the decline is consistent.



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There was some drop at DU and Moveon looks static. Neither dropped like FR.

101 posted on 03/07/2007 7:34:16 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

FR has really changed.

I see threads that have nothing to do with anything important enough to even read .. but there are so many of them .. they move the other important threads out of sight before you can even read them.

Too many disruptors. All they do is all people names and argue about everything .. and especially when they have all their facts wrong. It's practically impossible to DISCUSS any topic.

I won't stop supporting FR .. but I don't spend as much time here as I used to.


102 posted on 03/07/2007 7:34:20 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CWOJackson

Rudybot works for me.


103 posted on 03/07/2007 7:34:35 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Bob J
People are more likely to say something when they're on upper hand positions. At least I know I do. When the Republicans lost the Congress last year, I didn't even visit FR for a week or so.
104 posted on 03/07/2007 7:35:30 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: ozarkgirl

I wondered how long it would take for someone to blame Bush...

and that, by the way, is one of the reasons I don't spend as much time here.

The Sunday Morning Talk Show thread and the Day in the Life Thread are the ones I visit regularly.


105 posted on 03/07/2007 7:35:43 PM PST by altura
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To: ZULU
George Bush II ran as a "compassionate conservative." (Given the alternatives I'd still have voted for him, but as the lesser of two evils, not as a second coming of Ronald Reagan).

Bush II betrayed the conservative movement and screwed up the Republican Party on the National Level.

You make a lot of sense. Speaking for myself - the thought that I might have to vote for the lesser of two evils again - depresses me so much, it's certainly taken alot of the air out of my balloon.

106 posted on 03/07/2007 7:36:02 PM PST by alicewonders (I like Duncan Hunter for President in 2008!)
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To: Enosh

"Bot" has been over used. We need something fresh and demeaning to insult people with.


107 posted on 03/07/2007 7:36:15 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Bob J

I guess the Porno sites are getting better.


108 posted on 03/07/2007 7:36:25 PM PST by jetson (II)
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To: chasio649

BINGO!

AMEN!

EXACTLY!


I can't believe your brought up China! WOW! YOU ROCK! You are the real deal! YOU GET IT!


109 posted on 03/07/2007 7:36:30 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Religious Zealot from the Right Wing Church of Hate...............)
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To: muawiyah

I'm not trying to lump everyone together. I think there are a lot more religious threads than when I was a lurker. In the past, for example, there was no daily liturgy from the Catholics and the like. I just indicated that my husband said there was talk one time of a separate area for religious threads.


110 posted on 03/07/2007 7:36:39 PM PST by carolinalivin
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

I can read the Rudy threads with interest and amazement
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same here....i couldn't imagine someone in the republican party spinning that way just 10 years ago...it is amazing isn't it? Ya just gotta laugh and go on...at least that what i tell myself :D


111 posted on 03/07/2007 7:37:25 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Enosh
... Rudybot works for me.

Yes, but there is a curious increase in DU and FR activity right around the November '6 date when you joined, newbie. You seem here to divide rather than seek to unify.

112 posted on 03/07/2007 7:37:56 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: carolinalivin

There is a separate place for that, I don't know how much it gets used. Look under "Browse By Forum".


113 posted on 03/07/2007 7:38:34 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J
I think we may be reaching a point of blog burnout. We've seen the "new media" in action, and frankly, while it's fun to rant and rave and find kindred spirits on a website, it doesn't amount to much more than jawboning over beers in the local pub.

We all know what the issues are. We all know where the blame lies. We've told each other the same stories so many times that the memories are worn. There's nothing "new" about the "new media" anymore.

Which is not to say that FR and its companion sites aren't valuable. They serve as a nexus for the ideals that sustain us, and everyone needs peer validation once in a while. And occasionally, like the Dan Rather scandal or the Swifties, the eternal vigilance that is liberty's cost pays off.

But mostly, I think we're just getting older, and the fire is burning low. I know I can't muster the enthusiasm I once had.

But tomorrow's another day, and who knows what it may bring? In the meantime, Jim and John and the crew at FR are still latter-day Diogenes's to me.

114 posted on 03/07/2007 7:38:38 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Bob J
Free Republic is turning into a fringy fever swamp again.

It appears to me that there are fewer posts of articles from reputable news sites and more from marginal and special-interest sources.

Increasingly any post which does not hew to the wingnut lineis met with flaming.

In short, the hard-right ideologues have made life so miserable for center-right posters that they have decided that Free Republic no longer represents them.

More and more Republicans have decided that the wild-eyed lunatic fringe is doing more harm than good to the conservative cause.

I am not alone in this opinion.

I have discussed it with other Freepers who were formerly prolific posters of articles but who now seldom do so.

We are tired of the abuse so we have decided that we aren't going to stay where we aren't wanted.

If you think I'm exaggerating, just post an article favorable to President Bush and see the response.

115 posted on 03/07/2007 7:38:54 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: CWOJackson
We need something fresh and demeaning to insult people with.

How about "Libertarian?"

*Sizzle!*

116 posted on 03/07/2007 7:39:04 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: oceanview
sure, but would you have rather had two terms of Gore?

You know, I am so sick of this. Could it have been worse, yes. A couple years ago I asked my very religious son who'd just reached voting age who he planned to vote for, he said.....ummm, not Kerry... Yes, I'll take two of Bush and bend over for more..but no longer will I be looking for "could it have been worse". Now, I'm looking forward to "could it have been better".

We need someone on OUR team and that's why I like Duncan Hunter, he actually likes America, he wants to stand up for America. I like that!!

117 posted on 03/07/2007 7:39:19 PM PST by ozarkgirl (Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: alicewonders

the thought that I might have to vote for the lesser of two evils again - depresses me so much, it's certainly taken alot of the air out of my balloon.




I think that's pretty much it in a nutshell.


118 posted on 03/07/2007 7:39:27 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Bob J

I personally got tired of the hysteria against illegals. All hysteria, all the time.


119 posted on 03/07/2007 7:39:27 PM PST by tiki
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To: IronJack

Good assessment IJ.


120 posted on 03/07/2007 7:40:00 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: 68 grunt

"newbie"

What took you so long?


121 posted on 03/07/2007 7:40:32 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: carolinalivin

I come straight to the forum from a bookmark as well.

I like some of the special interest links I am pinged to, like the health and science and the doggy posts.

I just avoid the threads I now will get nasty and bogged down with repetitive arguments and insults. (and that's too many nowadays).


122 posted on 03/07/2007 7:40:56 PM PST by altura
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To: Bob J
Like talk radio there are now more Web sites who narrowly and professionally focus on a limited number of subjects.

This competition is no one's fault and is not easily remedied. What could be remedied is better manners and focusing on issues rather than personalities. There is a definite tendency for a few to "write" more than they "read."

The Net has changed everything and is continuing to change. It is hard to imagine Drudge was a cutting edge news source. He has survived and thrived by short posts and good links on stories that appeal across the political spectrum. He has a "view" but he is gentle in asserting it which is something we could all learn to emulate.

123 posted on 03/07/2007 7:40:57 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: quidnunc

Another good comment from a guy who has been around long enough to know.


124 posted on 03/07/2007 7:41:08 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Tall_Texan

Ditto. With "coservatives" in power we got wide open borders, jobs for illegals, etc.


125 posted on 03/07/2007 7:41:38 PM PST by Ron in Acreage (VOTE DEMOCRAT--TERRORISTS ARE COUNTING ON IT)
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To: Bob J

about the same time the "support our troops" ribbons on cars disappeared.


126 posted on 03/07/2007 7:41:49 PM PST by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Bob J

We've gotten all the good site content cached onto our desktops.


127 posted on 03/07/2007 7:42:09 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: chasio649

I guess my meaning didn't come out quite right, I'm actually a Rudy supporter as of this moment. I was referring to the anti Rudy people calling us names. That contributes nothing, regardless of what your position is.


128 posted on 03/07/2007 7:42:29 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: ozarkgirl
Two words, George Bush. He's not a conservative, out of control spending and the war in Iraq, lack of immigration control.

The guy in your tag line voted for all that spending.

129 posted on 03/07/2007 7:42:38 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: Bob J
I saw that on the home page. Thank you.

Does that mean the thread on St. Clement is misplaced on the main list.

BTW I am Catholic, but I came here for the politics and the daily Toons : ).

130 posted on 03/07/2007 7:43:02 PM PST by carolinalivin
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To: CyberAnt
CyberAnt wrote: FR has really changed. I see threads that have nothing to do with anything important enough to even read .. but there are so many of them .. they move the other important threads out of sight before you can even read them. Too many disruptors. All they do is all people names and argue about everything .. and especially when they have all their facts wrong. It's practically impossible to DISCUSS any topic.

Absolutely!

131 posted on 03/07/2007 7:43:04 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: oceanview

Oh and before my rant and probably on the draft I didn't send was....yes, Bush has been great on some things, SCOTUS, tax cuts, abortion. Yes, I will say he's done quite well on certain issues but overall I'd give him less than a 50% rating.


132 posted on 03/07/2007 7:43:52 PM PST by ozarkgirl (Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
...amazement at what people will do to make an attempt at influence.

Interesting statement,(without influence of course).

133 posted on 03/07/2007 7:44:11 PM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: altura

That was my husbands problem. He liked to mix it up and sometimes was too aggressive. He said that was acceptable when he signed up, but things changed and he didn't.


134 posted on 03/07/2007 7:44:16 PM PST by carolinalivin
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To: Bob J
In the last election the Conservatives voiced their opinion - some (I) left GOP slots empty. we weren't PO'd at the IRAQ War (other than GWB could have been out earlier, or been more definitive in IRAQ) why? PO'd at GWB's failure to close the border, failure to stand up to the Dims etc. Perhaps it's me but we let the Dims have the best of us for the last 6 years, failed to reverse much of what the Dims did, failure to have a continuation of the Promise To America, failure to make appointments when Congress was out as Clinton did, failure to take action against criminal Dims such as relates to vote fraud etc.

In summary, we elected the best moderate Democrat into the WH. JMO but that is because the GOP attempted to appeal to moderate Dims for votes and lost Conservatives - or catered to illegals and alienated those with Traditional American values..
135 posted on 03/07/2007 7:44:20 PM PST by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: All

I'll throw one in. The first five years it seemed like us vs. them and nowadays it seems like us vs. us.


136 posted on 03/07/2007 7:44:29 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: hosepipe
The right wing seems to have disappeared in the U.S...
Civil War brewing?.. Maybe ... somethings up..

If you see FR disappear while a Clinton is in office .... CW2 is real close.

137 posted on 03/07/2007 7:44:59 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: ken21

about the same time the "support our troops" ribbons on cars disappeared.




Hey!! I still got one...my stepson is in Ramadi right now...but yes, i know what you mean.


138 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:11 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Bob J
The charts are based on percent as per daily reach. This means the more websites that come about, the more the percent will drop -- unless of course the increase in visitors is higher than the increase in traffic to new websites, and that I think is very unlikely considering the advent of blogs (a fairly recent development) and web video sites such as YouTube.
139 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:21 PM PST by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: eeevil conservative
when the choices are Hillary or Rudy- how does that inspire conservatives? }

The inspiration is supposed to come before the choice is Hillary or Rudy.

140 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:51 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: tiki
I personally got tired of the hysteria against illegals. All hysteria, all the time.

Amen to that. The border bots try to hijack every thread and make it about illegals and if you don't agree with them, they attack you and some even threaten you.

141 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:53 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Bush Derangement Syndrome Has Reached Pandemic Levels on Free Republic.)
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To: Bob J

After the primaries, I imagine it will be us -vs- them again.


142 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:55 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: JennysCool
Once the liberals succeeded in getting us to fight amongst ourselves, instead of against them, things changed.

I think you're right. I find it really depressing that certain posters crack me up ... I've had so much fun here ... and now, there's this huge divide. I don't want to insult anyone, period, but especially not people whose posts I've loved to read, just because we disagree on who should be the Rep nominee.

It's sad, really. I suppose you could argue it's healthy ... but "healthy" debate that occurs in the "social vacuum" that is the Internet (I say that b/c there's not a lot of face to face talk)... quickly becomes vicious.

143 posted on 03/07/2007 7:46:05 PM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: quidnunc
You're 100% correct.

How many kook threads do we have to see every day claiming that President Bush is preparing to turn control of the U.S. over to Mexico?

144 posted on 03/07/2007 7:46:16 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Bush Derangement Syndrome Has Reached Pandemic Levels on Free Republic.)
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To: quidnunc

As you said, you are not alone. Look at post #20 for validation of your position.

LBT
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145 posted on 03/07/2007 7:46:36 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Peace is the short interlude between wars.)
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To: ozarkgirl

Amazing!

now-a-days you cannot argue an issue.

If you blast Bush on the border and spending, etc..you get flamed.

If you support the War in Iraq- you get called a BushBot...

LOL!

too funny...

I wish we could all stick to issues and what is good for America instead of being "fans" of politicians are partisan party folks.....


146 posted on 03/07/2007 7:47:05 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Religious Zealot from the Right Wing Church of Hate...............)
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To: Tribune7

I thought they were based on hits per 1 million in the population?


147 posted on 03/07/2007 7:47:14 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

When self proclaimed conservatives attack and bash other conservatives as not being the "right kind" of conservative, you'll get people flipping their antagonist the bird and tuning out.


148 posted on 03/07/2007 7:47:44 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Enosh

"After the primaries, I imagine it will be us -vs- them again."

Don't count on it. Depending on the nominee, I would look for the "stay home/vote 3rd party" vs the "Vote GOP" contingent.

It will be nasty, as usual.


149 posted on 03/07/2007 7:48:24 PM PST by wolf24 ("It's always easy to rally the stupid.")
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To: Bob J

From the first sentence here
http://www.alexa.com/site/help/traffic_learn_more

it sounds like you need to have the Alexa toolbar to be counted. Who has an Alexa toolbar?


150 posted on 03/07/2007 7:48:33 PM PST by idkfa
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