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In Lice, Clues to Human Origin and Attire
NY Times ^ | March 8, 2007 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 03/07/2007 11:44:13 PM PST by neverdem

One of the more embarrassing mysteries of human evolution is that people are host to no fewer than three kinds of louse while most species have just one.

Even bleaker for the human reputation, the pubic louse, which gets its dates and residence-swapping opportunities when its hosts are locked in intimate embrace, does not seem to be a true native of the human body. Its closest relative is the gorilla louse. (Don’t even think about it.)

Louse specialists now seem at last to have solved the question of how people came by their superabundance of fellow travelers. And in doing so they have shed light on the two major turning points in the history of fashion: when people lost their body hair, and when they first made clothing.

Three kinds of louse call Homo sapiens their home, but each occupies a different niche on the human body. The head louse, Pediculus humanus, lives in the forest of fine hairs on the scalp. Its cousin, the body louse, lives not on the skin but in clothes. And the exclusive territory of the pubic louse, Phthirus pubis, is the coarser hairs of the crotch.

Lice are intimately adapted to their hosts and cannot long survive away from the body’s blood and warmth. If their host evolves into two species, the lice will do likewise. So biologists have long been puzzled over the fact that the human head louse is a sister species to the chimpanzee louse, but the pubic louse is closely related to the gorilla louse.

By comparing louse DNA, a team led by David L. Reed of the University of Florida has now reconstructed how this strange situation probably came about. Dr. Reed’s team collected pubic lice from a public health clinic in Salt Lake City. Samples of gorilla lice...

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KEYWORDS: crabs; dnatesting; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; lice; science
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Left, The Natural History Museum, London; right, Mona Lisa Productions/Photo Researchers
Scientists believe they have figured out how and why the human pubic louse, right, and the gorilla louse, left, diverged 3.3 million years ago.

This pic was a lead to the story. It had no source.

1 posted on 03/07/2007 11:44:16 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This is so funny. It is just one plain lousy article.


2 posted on 03/08/2007 12:04:32 AM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
I'm scratching over here.

'thinking about gettin' the gasoline, icepick and matches out.

3 posted on 03/08/2007 12:14:33 AM PST by Rudder
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To: neverdem

Interesting...


4 posted on 03/08/2007 12:21:59 AM PST by citizencon
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To: Rudder; taxesareforever
thinking about gettin' the gasoline, icepick and matches out

LOL! I agree. I don't care where those little sob's came from or where they are going (in the grand scheme of things) jus' keep 'em off me!

Twitching leg Wolf
5 posted on 03/08/2007 12:29:22 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: neverdem
“The transfer doesn’t have to be sexual,” he said, “but presumably it does require reasonably close contact.”

I like how the Slimes puts that sentence last in the article. The average pervert who reads that paper needs something "upbeat" and "optimistic" for them to leave with.

6 posted on 03/08/2007 12:36:08 AM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: Captainpaintball
Well how about the average young person (that we all were for the most part)

And like they said 'doesn’t have to be sexual' but 'does require reasonably close contact'
7 posted on 03/08/2007 12:54:43 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

I remember reading a book a few years ago about USMC Boot Camp and one of the things that had happened to that training platoon was a case of crabs spread at the rifle range.


8 posted on 03/08/2007 1:21:02 AM PST by Fire_on_High (I am so proud of what we were...)
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To: RunningWolf
Bathroom towels are also suspect(at a party, or as a result of an "indiscretion").
You don't want to know.
9 posted on 03/08/2007 3:59:56 AM PST by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: neverdem
If their host evolves into two species, the lice will do likewise.

Have we seen this happen? Any evidence? Or is this pure speculation masquerading as science?

10 posted on 03/08/2007 4:10:15 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Actually its science attempting to explain the observed facts of the universe, as it does.

Now put your fingers in your ears and go "wa wa I can't hear you", as you do

11 posted on 03/08/2007 4:14:36 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (make peace with your Ann, Whatever you conceive her to be: hairy thunderer or cosmic muffin.)
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To: neverdem
the exclusive territory of the pubic louse, Phthirus pubis, is the coarser hairs of the crotch.

Bubba has a new nickname....


12 posted on 03/08/2007 4:15:50 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: neverdem
Sorry, I just can help posting this, especially after seeing a Buba pic on this thread:


13 posted on 03/08/2007 5:05:27 AM PST by upchuck (Oh, so they have Internet on computers now! ~ H. Simpson)
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To: neverdem

Anyone with kids or house guests knows how the pests got dragged in.
And they say you don't NEED a powder room!


14 posted on 03/08/2007 5:20:33 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: Oztrich Boy

God created crabs...dontchaknow?!


15 posted on 03/08/2007 8:04:28 AM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: neverdem; metmom; Junior; RunningWolf; Coyoteman; AndrewC
Lice are intimately adapted to their hosts and cannot long survive away from the body’s blood and warmth. If their host evolves into two species, the lice will do likewise. So biologists have long been puzzled over the fact that the human head louse is a sister species to the chimpanzee louse, but the pubic louse is closely related to the gorilla louse.

BITE ME!


16 posted on 03/08/2007 9:48:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Some seven million years ago, this ancient ape species split into gorillas and the ancestors of humans and chimps, with both lineages infected by both species of lice. But Pediculus then fell extinct in its gorilla hosts, according to Dr. Reed’s reconstruction, and Phthirus vanished from the chimp-human ancestor. Next, chimps and humans diverged, and their joint louse diverged with them into Pediculus humanus and Pediculus schaeffi.

The last event in this history of human-louse cohabitation was the transfer of the gorilla’s Phthirus louse to people.

Dr. Stoneking said Dr. Reed’s reconstruction was “pretty reasonable” and said he agreed that acquisition of the gorilla’s louse indicated people had lost their body hair by then. “The transfer doesn’t have to be sexual,” he said, “but presumably it does require reasonably close contact.”

Just another Just-so story.

17 posted on 03/08/2007 10:50:54 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC

What a stretch.


18 posted on 03/08/2007 11:34:48 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Oztrich Boy; ClearCase_guy
Actually its science attempting to explain the observed facts of the universe, as it does.

Then I suppose you have documentation to back up this observable fact happening? When was it observed and where? Who were the observers?

19 posted on 03/08/2007 11:36:24 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem
Rich people don't get the crabs. They get the lobsters!
20 posted on 03/08/2007 11:39:17 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson/Hunter 2008!)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Not only did God create lice but he created all diseases that are connected to lice. In fact, God created all diseases, cancers, cankers, boils, dropsies and such, both seen and unseen (Col. 1:16-17). They are reserved for people that are sinners. Only sinners get sick. Only sinners remain unhealed. And only righteous people get sick but get healed except the really righteous people that get frightfully sick like Hezekiah. And really really righteous people die very young because they speak the truth except all the righteous people in the Bible that died very very old which was all apart of God's glorious plan of salvation.

Who do you think gave the Egyptians lice as a plague? Some little fertility god or goddess caught in an act of coitus with some Egyptian temple prostitute of Isis. We all know that God is the creator and sustainer of all things seen and unseen including lice, virii, plague and tooth decay. It's all about entropy. ENTROPY! Entropy is God's plan of ending this sin sick world that he created in love.

Read your Bible, you backsliding Cretan. It explains everything and brings great fear. What joy we have in godly fear and trembling.

Human crabs, cooties and scabbies didn't come from no ape! How dare you assert your so-called science and medical hocus pocus. We all know that everything bad came from Mother Eve and sex with females, except the bad stuff that comes from having sex with yourself like blindness, madness, coveting, listlessness, tiredness, or sudden death like that guy in the Old Testament that spilled his seed while having sex with his sister-in-law.

So take your satanic intellectualism, your amusing debunkered theorums of evolution (more like evil-pollution) back to your institutions of "higher learning" paid for by the government, certified, and recognized after painful peer reviews and go to h-e-double hockey pucks.

Be blessed and repent :)


21 posted on 03/08/2007 11:44:16 AM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777

Now that was quite a sermon, Rev. Sully...


22 posted on 03/08/2007 12:58:54 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
Now that was quite a sermon, Rev. Sully...

No Kidding. I can feel the fire and brimstome way over here.

23 posted on 03/08/2007 1:12:12 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: andysandmikesmom
Now that was quite a sermon, Rev. Sully...

Got to be a spoof!

24 posted on 03/08/2007 2:17:37 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Absolutely...


25 posted on 03/08/2007 2:46:15 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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26 posted on 03/08/2007 7:39:12 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem; presidio9

Admit it. Both of you were itching to post this story.

Gorillas Gave Humans 'The Crabs'
Live Science | 03/07/07 | Charles Q. Choi
Posted on 03/07/2007 12:48:12 PM EST by presidio9
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1796819/posts


27 posted on 03/09/2007 2:03:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Just adding to the catalog, not pinging the list.

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28 posted on 03/09/2007 2:03:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: AndrewC
Some seven million years ago, this ancient ape species split into gorillas and the ancestors of humans and chimps, with both lineages infected by both species of lice. But Pediculus then fell extinct in its gorilla hosts, according to Dr. Reed’s reconstruction, and Phthirus vanished from the chimp-human ancestor. Next, chimps and humans diverged, and their joint louse diverged with them into Pediculus humanus and Pediculus schaeffi.

The last event in this history of human-louse cohabitation was the transfer of the gorilla’s Phthirus louse to people.

Dr. Stoneking said Dr. Reed’s reconstruction was “pretty reasonable” and said he agreed that acquisition of the gorilla’s louse indicated people had lost their body hair by then. “The transfer doesn’t have to be sexual,” he said, “but presumably it does require reasonably close contact.”
 
I just LOVE the smell of speculation in the morning!!!

29 posted on 03/09/2007 3:39:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: sully777; All
Read your Bible, you backsliding Cretan. It explains everything and brings great fear. What joy we have in godly fear and trembling.
 
AMEN!!!
 
 
 
NIV Genesis 3:17-18
17. To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you,
      `You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
18. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
 

 
NIV Romans 8:19-22
19. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.
20. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
21. that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
 

NIV Revelation 21:27
   Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
 
Is YOUR name written there?
 
 
 

30 posted on 03/09/2007 3:57:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie; andysandmikesmom; Coyoteman; King Prout
Is YOUR name written there?
AMEN--Preach it Sister Elsie. Preach it loud and clear to the brethren and the heathren alike!!!

For thus sayeth the good book (and it cannot be denied)

Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons..."
What joy there be in punishment and what delight there be in the God's terrible retributions of scourgings lest I become an unloved bastard child created in futility of false intellect and satanic scientific reasonings. God is truly love.
31 posted on 03/09/2007 11:12:36 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777

You have done it again, Rev. Sully...


32 posted on 03/09/2007 11:18:24 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

Send me ten percent of your total earnings and I can preach like this all day.


33 posted on 03/09/2007 11:20:30 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: andysandmikesmom

I don't think it's right that God uses naughty words but who am I to question? I don't want to be a bastard that's not punished. I want to be a son that is!


34 posted on 03/09/2007 11:22:18 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777

Ah, I see...you are quite the little business man/lady....you get the hang of things quickly...


35 posted on 03/09/2007 11:22:56 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
Your contributions may be tax deductable but please consult with your tax adviser, or our ministers to handle all your temporal estate needs including wills and trusts.
36 posted on 03/09/2007 11:39:26 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777
I don't think it's right that God uses naughty words but who am I to question?
 
 
What do you not think about these??
 
 
Ezekiel 23:20-21
 20.  There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 
 21.  So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.

37 posted on 03/10/2007 6:40:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: sully777; Elsie

I dont mind the naughty words...I am still trying to figure out some of the other words in the Bible...like 'unicorn', for example...


38 posted on 03/10/2007 3:39:37 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Elsie

Not a big fan of Ezekiel...especially Ezekiel 16-18:


39 posted on 03/10/2007 11:22:04 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Have you tried a chili cheese "coney" with tater tots? Sonic is having a special for $2.99! Buy it now and you get a bag of fried rock badger cud FREE.

My favorite is savory fire-breathing Leviathan stewed in lentils, like Great Great Great Great Great Grand Cousin Esau made for GrandPoppop Isaac.


40 posted on 03/10/2007 11:27:32 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: andysandmikesmom
I guess them KJV interpreters were a wild and crazy bunch!
 
 

-- King James
Job 39:9  Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
 
-- American Standard
Job 39:9  Will the wild-ox be content to serve thee? Or will he abide by thy crib?
 
-- New International
Job 39:9  "Will the wild ox consent to serve you? Will he stay by your manger at night?
 
-- Romanized
Job 39:9  hayo'beh reeym `aabdekaa 'im-yaaliyn `al-'abuucekaa.
 


-- King James
Numbers 23:22  God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
 
-- American Standard
Numbers 23:22  God bringeth them forth out of Egypt; He hath as it were the strength of the wild-ox.
 
-- New International
Numbers 23:22  God brought them out of Egypt; they have the strength of a wild ox.
 
-- Romanized
Numbers 23:22  'Eel mowtsiy'aam mimitsraayim ktow`apot r'eem low

-- King James
Numbers 24:8  God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
 
-- American Standard
Numbers 24:8  God bringeth him forth out of Egypt; He hath as it were the strength of the wild-ox: He shall eat up the nations his adversaries, And shall break their bones in pieces, And smite them through with his arrows.
 
-- New International
Numbers 24:8  "God brought them out of Egypt; they have the strength of a wild ox. They devour hostile nations and break their bones in pieces; with their arrows they pierce them.
 
-- Romanized
Numbers 24:8  'Eel mowtsiy'ow mimitsrayim ktow`apot r'eem low yo'kal gowyim tsaaraayw w`atsmoteeyhem ygaareem wxitsaayw yimxaats

-- King James
Deuteronomy 33:17  His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
 
-- American Standard
Deuteronomy 33:17  The firstling of his herd, majesty is his; And his horns are the horns of the wild-ox: With them he shall push the peoples all of them, even the ends of the earth: And they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, And they are the thousands of Manasseh.
 
-- New International
Deuteronomy 33:17  In majesty he is like a firstborn bull; his horns are the horns of a wild ox. With them he will gore the nations, even those at the ends of the earth. Such are the ten thousands of Ephraim; such are the thousands of Manasseh."
 
-- Romanized
Deuteronomy 33:17  bkowr showrow haadaar low wqarneey r'eem qarnaayw baahem `amiym ynagax yaxdaaw 'apceey-'aarets wheem ribbowt 'eprayim wheem 'alpeey mnasheh

-- King James
Job 39:10  Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
 
-- American Standard
Job 39:10  Canst thou bind the wild-ox with his band in the furrow? Or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
 
-- New International
Job 39:10  Can you hold him to the furrow with a harness? Will he till the valleys behind you?
 
-- Romanized
Job 39:10  hatiqshaar-reeym btelem `abotow 'im-ysadeed `amaaqiym 'axareykaa.
 

-- King James
Psalms 22:21  Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
 
-- American Standard
Psalms 22:21  Save me from the lion's mouth; Yea, from the horns of the wild-oxen thou hast answered me.
 
-- New International
Psalms 22:21  Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save  me from the horns of the wild oxen.
 
-- Romanized
Psalms 22:21  #(22:22 in Heb.) howshiy`eeniy mipiy 'aryeeh uumiqarneey reemiym `aniytaaniy.
 


-- King James
Psalms 29:6  He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
 
-- American Standard
Psalms 29:6  He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young wild-ox.
 
-- New International
Psalms 29:6  He makes Lebanon skip like a calf, Sirion  like a young wild ox.
 
-- Romanized
Psalms 29:6  wayarqiydeem kmow-`eegel lbaanown wsiryon kmow ben-r'eemiym.
 


-- King James
Psalms 92:10  But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
 
-- American Standard
Psalms 92:10  But my horn hast thou exalted like the horn of the wild-ox: I am anointed with fresh oil.
 
-- New International
Psalms 92:10  You have exalted my horn like that of a wild ox; fine oils have been poured upon me.
 
-- Romanized
Psalms 92:10  #(92:11 in Heb.) wataarem kir'eeym qarniy balotiy bshemen ra`anaan.


-- King James
Isaiah 34:7  And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
 
-- American Standard
Isaiah 34:7  And the wild-oxen shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls: and their land shall be drunken with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
 
-- New International
Isaiah 34:7  And the wild oxen will fall with them, the bull calves and the great bulls. Their land will be drenched with blood, and the dust will be soaked with fat.
 
-- Romanized
Isaiah 34:7  wyaarduu r'eemiym `imaam uupaariym `im-'abiyriym wriwtaah 'artsaam midaam wa`apaaraam meexeeleb ydushaan.


-- King James
Isaiah 34:7  And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
 
-- American Standard
Isaiah 34:7  And the wild-oxen shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls: and their land shall be drunken with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
 
-- New International
Isaiah 34:7  And the wild oxen will fall with them, the bull calves and the great bulls. Their land will be drenched with blood, and the dust will be soaked with fat.
 
-- Romanized
Isaiah 34:7  wyaarduu r'eemiym `imaam uupaariym `im-'abiyriym wriwtaah 'artsaam midaam wa`apaaraam meexeeleb ydushaan.
 
 
41 posted on 03/11/2007 5:45:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Thanks Elsie...you have made my point, better than I could have...what I notice that it is the KJV of the Bible that uses the word 'unicorn'...all the other Bibles use a different word, wild-ox or wild-oxen..

Now, I have had some folks tell me, that the really only acceptable translation of the Bible, is the KJV, and they also have told me, that when the KJV Bible was put together, those men were under the direct divine inspiration, and that every word, every phrase, even every comma, and period, and every point of punctuation was put there under direct divine inspiration...meaning that nothing in the KJV could be mistakenly translated..that every word means exactly what it says...

So, if one adheres to the notion, that the KJV is the only
Bible that is acceptable for study, and if one further goes on to state the the KJV is absolutely correct in every word, phrase and punctuation, and that everything must be read literally as is, then how does on explain the 'unicorns'...

This seems to come down to saying, that 'unicorns' are for real, that they really do/did exist, because after all the KJV of the Bible, could not be mistaken, and the word should stand for what it is...and I have heard people argue for this very fact...I have not heard this on FR, but there are many other websites on the net, and some dedicated to strict adherence to the KJV and to the literal translation of every word, and on one of those sites, there really was a discussion, with people saying that 'unicorns' really did exist because the KJV Bible says so...

Well, then, either the KJV translators were mistaken when using the word unicorn, or unicorns really did exist...I guess it all depends on how one wants to look at this....and how important is it, that one insist on using only the KJV?

Your post shows this, quite well...so thanks...


42 posted on 03/11/2007 1:18:44 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Fire_on_High
I remember reading a book a few years ago about USMC Boot Camp and one of the things that had happened to that training platoon was a case of crabs spread at the rifle range.

That's actually VERY common. My basic training company had a platoon (3rd) where they almost all got crabs from the latrines and porta-potties. (Those a-holes in 3rd platoon deserved it) Then many years later my National Guard unit had crabs spread around during annual training, once again with porta-potties. Try explaining to your wife why your nether regions are shaved bald after annual training! It can get interesting.
43 posted on 03/11/2007 1:30:43 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: andysandmikesmom

If put aside nearly 10,000 conflicting-bickering-sometimes hostile sects of christianity in the USA alone (more elsewhere with many conflicting sects in Judaism and Mohammedism) and putting aside the false translations, redacted translations, conflicting accounts, outright historical inaccuracies, constant bickering over canon in both old testaments-intererum year texts-and new tesatments--put that aside for a moment: Think about the animals translated from the "unknown" Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin words (some sects reject the Latin because its Catholic while others reject the Hebrew because its Jewish) for the mysterious Leviathan (fire breathing and non fire breathing no less), the fiery serpant of Moses, the absurd detailed breeding habits of the ostrich, the use of the term Orion's Belt in Job (a book attributed to the time of Abraham by many "scholars") when Orion was a diety in a much later foreign religion, the sea serpant that kills sinners in the deepest depths of the sea, the four legged birds, dragons, whales that swallow humans, snakes on Malta, poisonous snakes found on Malta, the catch-all "creaping things" described by an all-knowing God, the famous fowl called a bat, earthquakes from sin that shake the world out of its foundations, firmaments miles away not light years, the physics of 100 lb hailstones hitting the earth in such mass quantities that are reserved in a vault in heaven (with survivors no less in an unaffected atmosphere), the mythos of a flat earth, stars following wise men, mustard herbs becoming trees strong enough to hold birds nests, mustard seeds claimed as the smallest seed, and of course the moon giving light before the sun is made days AFTER plants grow on the earth...it's utterly fascinating. And it's the real truth.

Mom, this is the true ID science of creation. Do not argue. Do not think. Accept. And become ye holy as God is holy. For God lies not nor cannot lie but gives strong lies to those that deny His truth.


44 posted on 03/11/2007 7:15:01 PM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: andysandmikesmom

BTW, funny thng about grammar and punctuation marks...

All texts were devoid of such things prior to Medievel literature. Since the Bible was reportedly written several thousand years ago, it would be wise for people to think about the curse God's servants put on the Bible that says:

Whoever takes away anything from the Bible their names will be removed from "The Book of Life" and anyone that adds anything to the Bible will receive the additional plagues reserved for really really bad people like Gog, Magog, and those poor Amalakites that God judged long ago will never be given mercy even though He also said He delays His coming that all may be given mercy and saved.

Just a FYI on grammar and another lesson in godly wisdom that is far superior than logic and our limited reasoning abilities.


45 posted on 03/11/2007 7:22:40 PM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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I did once go through this with someone, who took the stand that only the KJV of the Bible, should be acceptable to any true upstanding Christian...I said, well, how did those who put together the KJV Bible decide where to put the punctuation since it was not there to begin with...Oh, I was assured, all those who put together the KJV of the Bible, were operating under direct divine inspiration, and that they could not ever have been mistaken about even the smallest thing such as a period or a comma...God somehow told them where to put all those commas and periods...so I ask again, did God tell those who put together the KJV that 'unicorns' were real?

Some one else once tried to assert that the Bible was actually originally written English, but then thats another story altogether...


46 posted on 03/11/2007 7:28:06 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: sully777

Your list in your post #44 gives one quite a list of things to ponder...thank you, Rev. Sully


47 posted on 03/11/2007 7:29:10 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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Yup, them KJV only folks have made an IDOL out of the translation.

It should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that the ONLY way to understand 'scripture' is to read it in the ORIGINAL language!

(Pity the poor Spainard, Frank, German, Italian, Korean or Hindu that cannot read the ENGLISH language KJV!)

I'm sure glad there are many folks who HAVE desired to know the facts from the original languages.

Even more, the one's of that group who want to let the REST of us in on what they mean by giving us (no doubt to the best of their abilities) what the old languages are saying, but putting it into something I can understand.

(Listen in to a bunch of our teenagers talking amongst themselves some time. WE need an 'interpreter' for that!! ;^)


48 posted on 03/12/2007 5:47:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: sully777
Mom, this is the true ID science of creation. Do not argue. Do not think. Accept. And become ye holy as God is holy. For God lies not nor cannot lie but gives strong lies to those that deny His truth.

So, in your opinion, is there a GOD?

49 posted on 03/12/2007 5:49:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Rudder
'thinking about gettin' the gasoline, icepick and matches out.

Pack the area with dry ice twenty minutes before starting the fire. It weakens them, they can't run as fast, and are better targets for the ice pick!!!!

50 posted on 03/12/2007 5:59:54 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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