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Librarian sues 'gay' profs over 'Marketing of Evil'
WorlNetDaily ^ | March 8, 2007 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 03/08/2007 5:30:13 AM PST by 50mm

A university librarian accused of "sexual harassment" simply for recommending all incoming freshmen read the popular book "The Marketing of Evil" by David Kupelian – a case that made national headlines, having been called the year's most "shameful" campus persecution case – has filed a defamation lawsuit against the accusing faculty members.

Scott Savage, a devout Quaker and head of Reference and Instructional Services at the Bromfield Library on Ohio State University's Mansfield campus, had been condemned by a 21-0 faculty vote on March 13, 2006, to be formally investigated for "sexual harassment." The reason? Several professors, two of them openly homosexual, had become extremely upset over Savage's nomination for the freshman reading program of "The Marketing of Evil," calling it "hate literature." Subtitled "How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom," chapter one of the book exposes the marketing strategies and tactics of the "gay rights" movement.

As WND reported previously, one of the homosexual professors, J.F. Buckley, in a March 9, 2006, e-mail, reacted this way to Savage's recommendation of Kupelian's book: "As a gay man I have long ago realized that the world is full of homophobic, hate-mongers who, of course, say that they are not. So I am not shocked, only deeply saddened – and THREATENED [sic] – that such mindless folks are on this great campus. ... You have made me fearful and uneasy being a gay man on this campus. I am, in fact, notifying the OSU-M campus, and Ohio State University in general, that I no longer feel safe doing my job. I am being harassed."

The unprecedented attack on a librarian over a book recommendation attracted national media attention, as well as a threat of a legal counterattack by the Alliance Defense Fund. Finally, on April 18 of last year, OSU backed down and informed Savage the charges against him had been withdrawn.

(Story continues below)

Now, Savage is fighting back. On Tuesday, attorneys representing the librarian filed a defamation lawsuit in the Court of Common Pleas in Richland County, Ohio.

Named as defendants are OSU-Mansfield professors Norman W. Jones, James F. Buckley, Hannibal Hamlin and Gary Kennedy, as well as 10 additional "John Does" and "Jane Does" – which the lawsuit characterizes as "members of the OSU-Mansfield faculty members and/or other identified persons who conferred privately with Defendants Jones, Buckley, Hamlin and Kennedy and/or acted in concert with them to advance the goal of defaming and humiliating Mr. Savage at OSU-Mansfield and in the broader community." The idea being that the identities of the additional defendants will become known through discovery once the case gets rolling.

According to the lawsuit:

4.1 In early February, 2006, Plaintiff Scott A. Savage agreed to serve on the First Year Reading Experience Committee ("Committee"), the purpose of which was to select books that OSU-Mansfield's freshmen students would be required to read as part of their immersion into college life. At the Committee's first meeting, several books were proposed that carried a leftist perspective on history, culture, or politics. The proposed books included works by Richard Dawkins, Jared Diamond and Jimmy Carter. …

4.4 On March 8, 2006 … Mr. Savage suggested via e-mail to the Committee that perhaps the conventional wisdom of the university should be challenged and proposed four current conservative books: "The Marketing of Evil" by David Kupelian, "The Professors" by David Horowitz, "Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis" by Bat Ye’or, and "It Takes a Family" by Senator Rick Santorum. As required by Committee protocol, Mr. Savage included excerpts from Amazon.com’s descriptions of the books.

4.5 On March 9, 2006, Jones e-mailed the Committee taking issue with Mr. Savage’s recommendation of "The Marketing of Evil," labeling it "anti-gay" and "homophobic tripe." Mr. Savage e-mailed the Committee to offer other reviews of the book and to defend his academic freedom to suggest it to the Committee. Jones then took the further step of sending a private e-mail to Mr. Savage’s supervisor, Library Director Beth Burns, questioning the integrity of the library staff and implicitly attacking Mr. Savage's professionalism. Jones also sent an e-mail to the campus Dean, threatening to look for other work and explicitly denigrating Mr. Savage's professionalism in suggesting the book. Jones then sent another e-mail to the Committee attacking Mr. Savage's academic opinions.

4.6 Hamlin responded with an e-mail to the Committee warning Mr. Savage that requiring students to read "The Marketing of Evil" would violate OSU-Mansfield discrimination policy. …

4.10 On March 12, 2006, Jones sent an e-mail to all faculty members attacking Mr. Savage's professional competence, and accusing him of "harassment" and "creating a hostile work environment" for himself and Buckley. Jones also claimed that Mr. Savage had acted unprofessionally by disagreeing with Jones' assessment of the book and had "impugn[ed] both [Jones'] credibility as well as that of the entire OSU-Mansfield faculty in determining the basic standards of scholarly integrity."

4.11 At a March 13, 2006 faculty assembly, a public meeting, Defendant Hamlin accused Mr. Savage of defending "hate literature" and stated to the faculty assembly that the overriding issue raised by Mr. Savage's conduct was that of "sexual harassment." Jones agreed that "It is a sexual harassment issue." Based upon the facts known to Hamlin and Jones at that time, their statements to the faculty assembly were false, slanderous per se, and made in reckless disregard of the truth.

4.12 In response to the slanderous advocacy of Jones and Hamlin, the faculty unanimously approved a motion to forward a sexual harassment allegation to a university investigator accusing Mr. Savage of sexual harassment.

Although the faculty later "rescinded its vote on the sexual harassment motion because of concerns and confusion over the faculty’s authority on the matter," the complaint explains, Kennedy and Hamlin continued to press the issue, "falsely accusing Mr. Savage of discriminatory harassment, seeking other policies under which Mr. Savage’s constitutionally protected speech could be punished, and urging that a discrimination/harassment claim be filed against Savage."

Indeed, Hamlin persuaded the faculty assembly to instruct Kennedy, Jones and Buckley to file individual formal complaints of discrimination/harassment against Savage. And on March 16, Kennedy filed a discrimination/harassment complaint on behalf of Buckley and Jones with OSU-Mansfield’s Human Resources Officer, who along with the university's general counsel, classified it as a "sexual harassment" complaint.

One month later, the OSU-Mansfield Human Resources investigator informed Savage in writing that he was not guilty of discrimination/harassment and that the charges should never have been filed. The embattled librarian took a leave of absence from his employment at the university, "a decision caused by his extreme emotional distress that was the direct result of this controversy and the Defendants’ false accusations against him," according to the lawsuit just filed.

"Particularly distressing to Mr. Savage," says the complaint, "a man with sincerely held Christian beliefs regarding honesty, Christian charity, sexual purity and marital fidelity, is the knowledge that his name is linked on campus (and probably elsewhere) with allegations of sexual harassment, unethical behavior, and hatred of his fellow man. No amount of diligence and discovery by Mr. Savage, in the context of this litigation of otherwise, could ever determine the extent to which his name is now linked with those allegations in the minds of people, known and unknown to him, who do not know the other relevant details of this case."

Savage is represented by Cincinnati attorney Thomas W. Condit and co-counsel Trip Bodley of Batsche & Batsche in Mason, Ohio.

"This is the most extreme case of political correctness I've ever heard of," said Condit. "For the faculty to say it doesn't want to suppress any viewpoint, and then to go after Scott in this way, it's shocking, people have to be appalled at this."

In addition, said Condit, "this has done real damage to Scott and his family. He feels his career is threatened by the publicity, with his name associated with sexual harassment. And he's now in his second six-month, unpaid leave of absence, since he felt staying at the university had become untenable." Savage is scheduled to return to OSU in June.

One particularly poignant aspect of the case stems from the fact that Savage is a Quaker, specifically a "Plain Christian" – having written two books on his faith: "A Plain Life" and "The Plain Reader."

Part of the Quaker belief is pacifism. So how does Savage square his lawsuit with his Christian beliefs?

"I am nonresistant in the sense of not fighting back against a robber or murderer," Savage explained. "We believe this is commanded for believers. But Friends (Quakers) also believe that government is established for our good. Persecution by these government-employed educators of those whose beliefs differ from campus orthodoxy is not good government.

"Simply because of their beliefs, the earliest Quakers were roughed up, their homes and goods destroyed, their due process rights trampled, all by people acting in the name of the government. Although they did not resist these evildoers, they were enjoined by the founder of the Quakers, George Fox, to 'lay your sufferings on the judges, and the King.'

"These college professors have just as roughly damaged my life and career, having tried me – in absentia – and found me guilty of 'sexual harassment,' and then of 'discrimination based on sexual orientation' merely because I recommended 'The Marketing of Evil.'

"I am laying my sufferings on the judges – the real ones, not the professors."

WND also asked Savage how his treatment by the university faculty affected him, his career and his family.

"That's a question no faculty member on my campus has ever asked!" he said. "We have eight children and I am the sole provider, so you can imagine our fear at the possibility of suddenly losing my income. My wife was three months pregnant, and she lost about ten pounds in the first few weeks of this, making me fear for the baby (who was born healthy in October).

"The worst part, though, was coming home and having to tell my wife that I was being accused of sexual harassment. We had to be careful to talk about it out of earshot of our (sexually pure and innocent) children. The very sort of thing we avoid as a plague was forced into our household by this awful, untrue charge."

Savage also explained his legal battle in professional terms: "Librarians need to counter academic bullying and censorship – it is in our code of ethics, and I take that charge very seriously," he said.

One irony of the story is that after being "banned" on the Ohio State University-Mansfield campus last year by "gay" professors and their faculty supporters, "The Marketing of Evil" soared up the best-seller lists, remaining No. 1 on Amazon's "Current Events" list for a week. And OSU students reported that the book was sold out at all book stores in the area surrounding the university.


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This is political correctness to the extreme.
1 posted on 03/08/2007 5:30:15 AM PST by 50mm
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To: 50mm
I am, in fact, notifying the OSU-M campus, and Ohio State University in general, that I no longer feel safe doing my job.

Spoken like a true Nancy-boy!

2 posted on 03/08/2007 5:36:11 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: 50mm

National Socialists; banning books since 1936.


3 posted on 03/08/2007 5:36:28 AM PST by 6SJ7
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Turd Burgler Barf Alert!!!!


4 posted on 03/08/2007 5:38:24 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: 50mm

YEAH, BABY!!!! GO GET 'EM!!!! The only way to get your point across is to hit 'em in the pocketbook........


5 posted on 03/08/2007 5:40:07 AM PST by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: 50mm

Way to go, Savage! Fight the good fight!


6 posted on 03/08/2007 5:40:22 AM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: 50mm

f-a-g-g-o-t-s


7 posted on 03/08/2007 5:40:44 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: 50mm
Speaking of another Savage, Michael Savage on his show last evening stated/warned strongly that "we ain't seen nothing yet" in regards to what some have in store for us regarding these pc "hate crimes" against talk of homosexuality by conservatives. He seems to be of very strong opinion that something is going to be coming from the potus himself in this regard! I can believe it since Julie Annie (Mr. hate crimes laws) is being shoved down the countries throat for 08 by one and all. Our taxpayer money being used to find a quicker way by these to outlaw the Bible.
8 posted on 03/08/2007 5:42:54 AM PST by Esther Ruth (For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows his time is short!)
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To: wagglebee

ping to Moral Absolutes


9 posted on 03/08/2007 5:43:11 AM PST by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Hmmm... I sense another post-without-thought moment has been revealed. I suppose you would rather he concealed carry and drop anyone who comes within five feet of him? Regardless as to their allegiance (or not) to the cabal who has determined to run him out on a rail?

So what is the solution? Should he physically attack, perhaps to maim or kill, the professorial gay mafia members? Or should he use the legal system to defend his rights, the way the courts are supposed to work?

But, no!! Senseless, aimless violence would serve the purpose so much better.


10 posted on 03/08/2007 5:45:39 AM PST by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: 50mm

If I remember correctly, there was a politician named Hannibal Hamlin during the US War Between the States. Without looking it up, I think that he was the one who gave about a two hour harangue before Lincoln gave the Gettysburg address.

I wonder if this poofter is a descendant of the old politician.

If so, maybe being a "Blowhard" runs in the family. [ducking for cover!]


11 posted on 03/08/2007 5:47:38 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: 50mm

I hope he reaps a windfall in $. It would be justice if the perpetrators of this paranoid defamation felt some pain and loss for their egocentric crusade to ruin Mr. Savage.


12 posted on 03/08/2007 5:52:49 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: 50mm

Sounds like the faggots have their panties in a twist.

OH NO!! Did I say THAT WORD?!?!?

OMG!!! OK, OK, I'm packin' up and heading for rehab?

Ann? Ann? Are you there? I'm comin' Mama! ;)


13 posted on 03/08/2007 5:53:58 AM PST by mkjessup ("ahhh don't feel noways tired...ahhh've come too faaaaaar...from whar ahhh started from...!")
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To: MortMan; Mr. Brightside

The quote he referred to was by the homosexual professor and his assessment is correct in my opinion. How can anybody "feel harrassed" or "feel threatened" by a book recommendation?


14 posted on 03/08/2007 5:55:19 AM PST by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: 50mm; Mr. Brightside

Having been duly corrected, and feeling appropriately chastised, MortMan offers his sincere apology to Mr. Brightside for having gone off half-cocked. Please ignore my posted ignorance.


15 posted on 03/08/2007 5:58:16 AM PST by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: 50mm
Several professors, two of them openly homosexual, had become extremely upset over Savage's nomination for the freshman reading program of "The Marketing of Evil," calling it "hate literature." Subtitled "How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom," chapter one of the book exposes the marketing strategies and tactics of the "gay rights" movement.

Sounds like the treatment of this guy by the gay activists would tend to support the arguments of "The Marketing of Evil"...

16 posted on 03/08/2007 6:05:17 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: MortMan

I didn't intend to chastise and understand where you could have been mistaken. I wish more were as gracious as you in accepting responsibility and offering sincere apologies.


17 posted on 03/08/2007 6:05:35 AM PST by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: MortMan
Hmmm... I sense another post-without-thought moment has been revealed.

Yeah.... by you! LOL

The "I'm so scared" quote was from one of the queers, not the plaintiff.

18 posted on 03/08/2007 6:07:32 AM PST by cf_river_rat (Just another defender of the faith)
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To: cf_river_rat

See post 15 for my mea culpa. ;-P


19 posted on 03/08/2007 6:26:31 AM PST by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: 50mm
This is political correctness to the extreme.

No, this is Political Correctness arriving at its next inevitable step.

20 posted on 03/08/2007 6:29:04 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Thats just....so gay!


21 posted on 03/08/2007 6:31:53 AM PST by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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What ever happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones but NAMES will never hurt me"? That's what I was taught growing up. Seems many of these FAGGOTS have forgotten this rule.


22 posted on 03/08/2007 6:38:48 AM PST by VastRWCon
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To: 50mm

Right on!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what we need to do - its about danm time that we take on the libs. No more of the eletist Bush type attitude of not fighting for whats right - we have to fight the libs and win our rights back. These tactics work - as evidenced by the libs. We need to fight them in the courts, the schools, the govt, the media, the corporations, everywhere - if we are not up to this fight then we are not up to keeping our freedoms.


23 posted on 03/08/2007 6:39:05 AM PST by sasafras (Multiculturalism is a solvent invented by the left to destroy our culture and end our history)
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To: 50mm
At a March 13, 2006 faculty assembly, a public meeting, Defendant Hamlin accused Mr. Savage of defending "hate literature" and stated to the faculty assembly that the overriding issue raised by Mr. Savage's conduct was that of "sexual harassment."

Savage's behavior as laid out in this article neither constitutes "harassment" or "sexual harassment". Now, if he was following the gay professors around and heckling them every day and also hinting that they would lose their jobs unless they have sex with him, that would be a different story. (that last was a bit of irony)

24 posted on 03/08/2007 6:39:14 AM PST by cake_crumb (When Congress prosecutes wars, you'll get Another Viet Nam)
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To: 50mm

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/03/freedom-from-fear-imagine-for-just.html


25 posted on 03/08/2007 6:40:12 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: 50mm

since when did being anti-homosexuality (pro-decentcy/virtue, morality) become "hate-speech"? It's not like this guy was against these professors, he merely recognized that in this world there "IS good vs. evil".

This just proves my point that Good CANNOT co-exist w/evil (America is a fractured society, and this is WHY).

Even if it were "hate speech", (which I dispute), Since when (WHY) did it become anyone's BUSINESS if IT WERE; so what did Anyone Repeal the 1st Amendment, or am I living in the Soviet-Union..


26 posted on 03/08/2007 6:45:30 AM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: 50mm

You have made me fearful and uneasy being a gay man on this campus. I am, in fact, notifying the OSU-M campus, and Ohio State University in general, that I no longer feel safe doing my job. I am being harassed."

This is a MAN saying this? A MAN???
Right now, I'm laughing my arse off...


27 posted on 03/08/2007 7:00:13 AM PST by Paisan
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To: 50mm

Thaks for posting this.


28 posted on 03/08/2007 7:01:42 AM PST by arnoldpalmerfan (Tancredo for President 2008 - www.electtancredo.com and www.teamtancredo.com)
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29 posted on 03/08/2007 7:01:46 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: GadareneDemoniac

Hannibal Hamlin was Lincoln's first VP. I think the other guy at Gettysburg was Edward Everett. Someone will correct me right quick if I'm wrong...


30 posted on 03/08/2007 7:02:13 AM PST by Paisan
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To: 50mm
So I am not shocked, only deeply saddened – and THREATENED [sic] – that such mindless folks are on this great campus. ... You have made me fearful and uneasy being a gay man on this campus. I am, in fact, notifying the OSU-M campus, and Ohio State University in general, that I no longer feel safe doing my job. I am being harassed."

Aw, the widdle wuus feels persecuted. Gay to the core.

31 posted on 03/08/2007 7:04:10 AM PST by ukie55
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To: ukie55

widdle wuus=widdle wuss


32 posted on 03/08/2007 7:04:44 AM PST by ukie55
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To: Paisan
This is a MAN saying this? A MAN??? Right now, I'm laughing my arse off...

No, a real MAN would not say this! This guy could be related to John Edwards.

33 posted on 03/08/2007 7:05:09 AM PST by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: 50mm

All political correctness is extreme. :)


34 posted on 03/08/2007 7:05:12 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 50mm
Mr. Savage suggested via e-mail to the Committee that perhaps the conventional wisdom of the university should be challenged and proposed four current conservative books: "The Marketing of Evil" by David Kupelian, "The Professors" by David Horowitz, "Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis" by Bat Ye’or, and "It Takes a Family" by Senator Rick Santorum.

Well -- no wonder the excrement hit the fan. The left wing fascists in academia make no allowance for contrary viewpoints from their own.

35 posted on 03/08/2007 7:06:12 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: MortMan

Half-cocked? hmmm...is that a term you should be using on this thread?


36 posted on 03/08/2007 7:08:45 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: 50mm
The quote he referred to was by the homosexual professor and his assessment is correct in my opinion. How can anybody "feel harrassed" or "feel threatened" by a book recommendation?

When the book in question offers up the truth and the truth is that the "harrassee's whole identity and lifestyle is evil and destructive to themselves and others. IMHO the saddest thing about homosexuals is that the only thing they think important about themselves is what they do to make themselves feel good.

37 posted on 03/08/2007 7:09:22 AM PST by magslinger (Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make up something good.)
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To: 50mm; All; Admin Moderator

Would it be ethical to list the e-mail addresses of these professors that we might respectfully let them know what we think?


38 posted on 03/08/2007 7:11:29 AM PST by zook
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To: arnoldpalmerfan
Thanks for posting this.

It disheartens me to have to bash my Alma Mater, but exposing this sad episode in Ohio State University history could help prevent future such occurrences. I suspended my donations to the university pending the right outcome in the case.

39 posted on 03/08/2007 7:11:41 AM PST by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: Teacher317
One irony of the story is that after being "banned" on the Ohio State University-Mansfield campus last year by "gay" professors and their faculty supporters, "The Marketing of Evil" soared up the best-seller lists, remaining No. 1 on Amazon's "Current Events" list for a week. And OSU students reported that the book was sold out at all book stores in the area surrounding the university.

I would be surprised it that actually happened. A more likely scenario is the retail stores "pulled" the book and sent it back to the distributor so as to not offend either side.

If something is that HOT, retailers can always find away to get it on their shelves.

I hope I'm wrong about this.

40 posted on 03/08/2007 7:13:53 AM PST by Jambe ( Save the Cows ! -- Eat a Vegan !!!)
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To: Esther Ruth; 50mm
Indeed. As the 9th circus just declared, "Marriage" is now hate speech.

Things are going to get interesting.
41 posted on 03/08/2007 7:14:41 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 50mm

Hannibal Hamlin? President Lincoln's VP?

I had no idea he was still alive!


42 posted on 03/08/2007 7:17:08 AM PST by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets (and, yes, sometimes Jets) fan.)
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To: Paisan

Correct! Now, for $10,000 Nigerian and the pretend new car, name the daughter of Lincoln's Secretary of the Treasury. (hint: they named a D.C. suburb after her.)


43 posted on 03/08/2007 7:17:37 AM PST by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: sasafras
There is one problem. The courts are not on our side, regardless of what the law says. We are entering an age where the courts are the executive, judicial, and legislative branch of government. Mr. Savage has a long rode ahead of him.

Is there a fund were we can donate to his defense/support when he goes to trial and/or gets fired?
44 posted on 03/08/2007 7:17:59 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: zook
ould it be ethical to list the e-mail addresses of these professors that we might respectfully let them know what we think?

Mike Adams wrote an article about this episode last year. I believe some of the emails are included in the article:

Mike Adams Article

46 posted on 03/08/2007 7:27:29 AM PST by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: sandyeggo
Great book

Yes, it is. I read it myself. Kupelian does a great job of exposing the sordid history of the abortion industry in one chapter.

He bashes Wolfowitz and Cheney in the book, perhaps to "balance" the book and make it more palatible for academia. Looks like he failed in that endeavor.

47 posted on 03/08/2007 7:35:00 AM PST by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: Paisan

Yep, now that you mention it, that's right. Thanks, you always get the skinny here on FR!


48 posted on 03/08/2007 7:41:36 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: 50mm; All
"...21-0 faculty vote on March 13, 2006, to be formally investigated for "sexual harassment." ..."



What this REALLY means is:

by 21-0 faculty elitists CONFESS homosexuality is
ONLY about recreational SEX!

49 posted on 03/08/2007 7:52:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GadareneDemoniac

You don't remember correctly, and probably should have looked it up. Hamlin was Lincoln's Vice President during his first term, but made no speeches at Gettysburg.

The orator who spoke at Gettysburg before Lincoln's two-minute speech (the one that's now remembered) was Edward Everett, at various times Governor and Senator from Massachusetts, Ambassador to Great Britain, and Secretary of State.


50 posted on 03/08/2007 7:58:09 AM PST by linda_22003
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