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Bill Costs Man Pennies -- 52,662 Of Them
The Indy Channel ^ | March 8, 2007

Posted on 03/08/2007 8:05:12 AM PST by Abathar

CARTERVILLE, Illinois -- A southern Illinois man who's fed up with higher electric rates has come up with a way to show his displeasure while paying his bill.

Robert Hancock said his monthly power bill jumped nearly 200 percent -- to $526.62.

So he's going to send Ameren 52,662 pennies.

Hancock said he's worked things out with a local bank to get the coins and with the post office to mail the money.

It will cost about $50 extra for postage. But Hancock said that if he can cause Ameren a little inconvenience, it's worth it to him.


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1 posted on 03/08/2007 8:05:15 AM PST by Abathar
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To: Abathar

The business is free to refuse to accept the payment....and I hope they do.


2 posted on 03/08/2007 8:06:29 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (I hate Bill Maher.)
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To: Abathar

Sorry Robert, but you're an idiot.


3 posted on 03/08/2007 8:07:00 AM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Good for him.


4 posted on 03/08/2007 8:07:25 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Abathar

Fine. But I would make him come in and count them out for me.


5 posted on 03/08/2007 8:07:51 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Can they? Unless it's stated in the contract I don't think they can legally refuse currency because it happens to be in small denominations, the first time that is.

If they send out a notice after that then thats a different story.

6 posted on 03/08/2007 8:08:41 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: Abathar

Bobby boy....have you checked the price of fuel oil lately or gasoline????

they utilities have the same problem...


7 posted on 03/08/2007 8:09:06 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Keith in Iowa

The local McDonald's around the corner will not accept change for payment...i.e., you can't pay for your value meal with just change. The drunks that bring in their change for a meal always get po'd when the cashier won't take their money.


8 posted on 03/08/2007 8:09:13 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Abathar

A nice gesture on his part and I fully understand his frustration, but it won't mean jack to Ameren or any other utility company, nor will it change anything.


9 posted on 03/08/2007 8:09:29 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Just screwin' with ya)
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To: mysterio

>>>Good for him.

No, bad on him. If the power company does take his payment, he should be surcharged for the extra time it takes for company employees to process his stunt payment.


10 posted on 03/08/2007 8:09:45 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (I hate Bill Maher.)
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To: Abathar; Cagey; Larry Lucido; Mr. Brightside; Dmitry Vukicevich; lesser_satan
But Hancock Kramer said that if he can cause Ameren Todd Gack a little inconvenience, it's worth it to him.
11 posted on 03/08/2007 8:10:12 AM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Duncan Hunter in '08!)
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To: Abathar

My bill (gas and electric) always doubles in the winter. I've never been able to figure out why.


12 posted on 03/08/2007 8:10:15 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Vaclav Klaus: "A whip of political correctness strangles their voice")
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To: Abathar

Companies like that routinely have a policy of not accepting cash payments sent by the mail. It will cost them $50 to return it to him, though!


13 posted on 03/08/2007 8:11:11 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Abathar

"Can they? Unless it's stated in the contract I don't think they can legally refuse currency because it happens to be in small denominations, the first time that is. "

I think there is some kind of ruling that pennies are not legal tender.


14 posted on 03/08/2007 8:12:18 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

It's for all debts, public and private.


15 posted on 03/08/2007 8:13:40 AM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio

How exactly is being a jerk to some employees in an office, who have zero control over this matter, "good"?

I'm amazed at the number of FReepers who brag about being discourteous jerks.


16 posted on 03/08/2007 8:14:32 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Fresh Wind
My bill (gas and electric) always doubles in the winter. I've never been able to figure out why.

I understand the sentiment. But folks in Illinois (Ameren-Cilco customers)are having rates readjusted because government regulations expired this year. So the bills are quite a shock to some - some people are adjusting to in excess of 100% increases. What sucks is that people don't see that the mama-guv'mint caused the problem to beging with. I wonder if this guy pays his income taxes in pennies.
17 posted on 03/08/2007 8:15:00 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Abathar
Can they? Unless it's stated in the contract I don't think they can legally refuse currency

My Electric bill, and most of my other bills for that matter, request check or money order and explicitly state Do Not Send Cash.
18 posted on 03/08/2007 8:15:10 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
The business is free to refuse to accept the payment....

Fine. They can be out $526 then, as far as I'm concerned.

19 posted on 03/08/2007 8:15:12 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Abathar

I wonder if they can charge him return postage?


20 posted on 03/08/2007 8:15:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mysterio

Businesses are not obligated to accept payment in the form of pennies.


21 posted on 03/08/2007 8:16:42 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (I hate Bill Maher.)
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To: Abathar
Can they? Unless it's stated in the contract I don't think they can legally refuse currency because it happens to be in small denominations, the first time that is.

Yes, they can. Bills are "legal tender" and must be accepted in any denomination (if you accept cash at all), but coins, while they have value, are not "legal tender".

22 posted on 03/08/2007 8:17:01 AM PST by kevkrom (WARNING: The above post may contain sarcasm... if unsure, please remember to use all precautions)
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To: L98Fiero
How exactly is being a jerk to some employees in an office, who have zero control over this matter, "good"?

As long as they're getting paid by the hour....

Besides, they can just take it to a change machine.

23 posted on 03/08/2007 8:17:23 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Abathar
Let me get this right, this guy is going through all the trouble of getting all those pennies, packaging and sending all those those pennies to express his ourage about his bill of $526.62 and now his bill will be $576.62?

Yeah, that'll teach 'em.
24 posted on 03/08/2007 8:17:33 AM PST by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: Keith in Iowa

Most states have statutes that allow a payee to refuse to accept a certain number of pennies as a cash payment.


25 posted on 03/08/2007 8:18:54 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: L98Fiero

Furthermore, he spent an additional $50 on postage, and wasted countless hours just to pull this "stunt." It will not put out the electric company nearly as much.

Not only is he a jerk, but a stupid one at that. Not a good combination.


26 posted on 03/08/2007 8:18:59 AM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: JohnnyZ

No, the guy will still owe what he rightfully owes, and, should the utility accept the payment, they can rightfully demand compensation for their costs in processing the payment.

See: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1120208723965


27 posted on 03/08/2007 8:19:40 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (I hate Bill Maher.)
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To: Abathar
The value of copper has sky-rocketed. Witness the theft of electrical cables.

He might make a profit if he melted them down...

28 posted on 03/08/2007 8:19:44 AM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("There are no stupid questions. There are, however, many inquisitive idiots." - unknown)
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To: RetSignman

*Snicker* I thought the same thing, he cut his nose off to spite his face.


29 posted on 03/08/2007 8:19:52 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: L98Fiero
I'd have to know more about why his bill doubled.

I'm never rude to any workers. When they get my order wrong at McDonalds or something, I usually don't even take it back in.

What's really funny is that if they melted down the pennies, they'd actually have more value than what he owes on the bill. They should probably just take the money.
30 posted on 03/08/2007 8:20:41 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Abathar

If you don't like you high electric bills, try doing something constructive about it. Try insulation, new windows, upgrade old equipment, etc.

Stop whining.


31 posted on 03/08/2007 8:21:15 AM PST by Politicalmom ("Always vote for principle...and your vote is never lost."-John Quincy Adams)
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To: ContemptofCourt

The local McDonald's around the corner will not accept change for payment...i.e., you can't pay for your value meal with just change. The drunks that bring in their change for a meal always get po'd when the cashier won't take their money.""

Every so often, I have to clean out the change in my billfold or it will erput all over the car. I have never had a problem with doing so. The ladies at the post office love me. For some reason they are always low on change.
If someone at McDonald's gave me any trouble over it, I would leave the order on the counter and walk out.


32 posted on 03/08/2007 8:21:34 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Abathar

He needs a hobby.


33 posted on 03/08/2007 8:21:54 AM PST by SIDENET (Now selling carbon offsets. Get some today!)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
$10k fine if you get caught doing it. I guess pennies and nickles both are getting to the point of making it profitable to do it again.
34 posted on 03/08/2007 8:22:15 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: brownsfan

I think there is some kind of ruling that pennies are not legal tender."

Pennies are just as much legal tender as any other US Mint issued items, either paper or coin.


35 posted on 03/08/2007 8:22:49 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: SIDENET

Sounds like he just got one...


36 posted on 03/08/2007 8:23:28 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
The value of copper has sky-rocketed. Witness the theft of electrical cables. He might make a profit if he melted them down...

If pennies were actually made of copper, you might have a point. ;)

37 posted on 03/08/2007 8:23:45 AM PST by kevkrom (WARNING: The above post may contain sarcasm... if unsure, please remember to use all precautions)
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To: JohnnyZ

"Fine. They can be out $526 then, as far as I'm concerned."

Then you'd be without electricity. Not an especially good idea in the winter time. Makes TV really boring too.


38 posted on 03/08/2007 8:23:51 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

Pennies are 97.6% zinc after 1982.


39 posted on 03/08/2007 8:24:31 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: ridesthemiles

>>>Pennies are just as much legal tender as any other US Mint issued items, either paper or coin.

True, but businesses are not obligated to accept pennies as the sole form of payment.


40 posted on 03/08/2007 8:24:36 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (I hate Bill Maher.)
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To: mysterio

Are you sure pennies are still made of copper? I think I remember several years back that they quite using copper for making pennies when the cost of copper went way up.


41 posted on 03/08/2007 8:26:10 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: Abathar
There is something phony baloney about this story.

According to Wikipedia, one penny weighs 2.35 grams

2.35 grams * 52 662 = 123.7557 kilograms

That is 272.8 pounds of pennies! Postal rates must be lower than I thought if he can mail 270+ pounds for just $50. I even tried the online postage calculator on the USPS website. When I entered 273 pounds, I got an error message that it exceeds the 70 pound limit.

42 posted on 03/08/2007 8:27:26 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Abathar

The pennies are money. If the company refuses his payment he does not owe anything any more. Enforcing that will be difficult. It's only government agencies that have the unmitigated arrogance to dictate how a person can pay his/her taxes.


43 posted on 03/08/2007 8:27:32 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Abathar

Better to spend some of that extra money on carbon offsets. I just happen to have some for sale.


44 posted on 03/08/2007 8:28:29 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: ridesthemiles
If someone at McDonald's gave me any trouble over it, I would leave the order on the counter and walk out.

That would be a waste. Fast food places take your money before you get your order.

45 posted on 03/08/2007 8:28:41 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

Most pennies today are 97.6 percent zinc and only 2.4 percent copper.


46 posted on 03/08/2007 8:30:18 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Abathar

It's not the utility's fault that prices have gone up so much. He would be better off sending bags of cow dung to the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and NRDC.


47 posted on 03/08/2007 8:31:02 AM PST by montag813
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To: Abathar

I wonder what his house is like. That sounds like a pretty steep bill.


48 posted on 03/08/2007 8:34:17 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: driftdiver
Then you'd be without electricity.

I'd be without electricity because this guy sent them pennies. Wow, that power company is gonna HUNT ME DOWN!

Dope.

49 posted on 03/08/2007 8:34:59 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: basil

I read that the treasury is taking a loss on pennies even though they're mostly zinc.


50 posted on 03/08/2007 8:35:43 AM PST by mysterio
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