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DC Circuit strikes down DC gun law
How Appealing Blog ^ | 03/08/2007 | Howard Bashman

Posted on 03/09/2007 8:10:02 AM PST by cryptical

Edited on 03/09/2007 10:38:14 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: robertpaulsen
Hey, let's get back to your assertion about cosmetic distinctions in "arms". What is the Constitional foundation for that? Exactly?

Try again to describe an "arm" that isn't suitable for the "militia".

941 posted on 03/10/2007 9:06:15 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: tpaine
For example, if a housing association wishes to bar any firearm from being held within its borders, it is free to do so. --"

So he believes a homeowners association's rules take precedence over a constitutional guarantee of the right to arms? What utter nonsense.

Even if we grant that the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution is not yet incorporated into the 14th, most state constitutions also guarantee that the people have a right to keep and bear arms. But I wouldn't put it past some of the condo-Nazis in Florida to try something like that. When I lived in FL it seemed like every week or two some condo owner was being threatened with eviction or a financial penalty by the condo association for flying an American flag on his balcony or some other "offense" to the other whiny owners' delicate sensibilities. It only takes giving a little authority to some people to bring out a latent tendency to act like a Nazi storm trooper with a bad attitude.

942 posted on 03/10/2007 9:08:49 PM PST by epow (Conservative Republicans win national elections, RINOs lose national elections, history proves it)
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To: robertpaulsen

Omitted from your argument in order to advance your faulty position.
And no you don't understand.


943 posted on 03/10/2007 9:11:28 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: MileHi
"No, thet remanded because the decision was "vague" as to how the statute violated the 2A "

It's true that the lower court's decision was vague. But the U.S. Supreme Court remanded the case with the words:

"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."

Seems to me that they were looking for specific evidence.

"Are you going to stand on a 17" shotgun being less suitable than a 20" shotgun?"

Of course. The law says not less than 18". 17" is less than 18".

I suppose if the speed limit is 55, you think 56 should be legal? I mean, come on. It's only 56. What's the big deal? Certainly if 55 is legal, 56 should be. Are people going to start dying in droves if they go 56? Do you have proof that 56 is more dangerous than 55?

That's what you sound like. A whiny little child. Take your 5th grade arguments elsewhere.

944 posted on 03/10/2007 9:20:08 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
This court ruling notes that any weapon is a "militia" weapon, that civilians ownership of arms isn't predicated upon militia service, and that you are a complete and total moron.

Yes, it says right in the ruling that robertpaulsen is a complete fruitloop and totally out to lunch. Maybe if you read the decision, you'll see where they do this.

Along with addressing every lame ass Brady talking point you've been spewing the last couple hundred posts.

945 posted on 03/10/2007 9:24:29 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: smoketree
Why didn't they just write the 2d as the first; congress shall make no law restricting the ownership of firearms. That would leave the states free to restrict at will. But they didn't

I've never thought of it that way, but my first impression is that it makes sense. Too bad that most judges and liberals in general are so prejudiced against the RKBA that they would never admit to seeing it that way if their lives depended on it.

946 posted on 03/10/2007 9:26:34 PM PST by epow (Conservative Republicans win national elections, RINOs lose national elections, history proves it)
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To: Redcloak; robertpaulsen
While the 2nd Amendment does not define or limit arms, it is inferred to mean whatever arms are available. And not only does the 2nd Amendment not define the sort of arms, it also does not restrict modifying of available arms.

Meanwhile, I don't think other milita members will give a rats ass what weapon I bring to fight so long as I show up ready to fight.

947 posted on 03/10/2007 9:27:09 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Dead Corpse

That's funny because I found an original copy of the Miller decision that said robertpaulsen had a learning disability.


948 posted on 03/10/2007 9:27:18 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: MileHi
"So what is the proscribed militia weapon? What would they decide that on?"

The state would testify. It's their call and no one elses.

They have the responsibility to form a Militia. If the state says they intend to arm their Militia with 6" shotguns, then the federal government may not infringe on the availability of that weapon. Doing so would infringe on the ability of a state to form their Militia, a violation of the second amendment.

949 posted on 03/10/2007 9:28:59 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: takenoprisoner

Yep. Such extreme limiting language is laughable. Do the grabbers mean that if in a shooting war you lose your approved weapon you cannot use one of the enemy's if the barrel is less than 18 inches?
Or if it has a magazine for more than ten rounds we can't use it to fight some enemy?
It's craziness.


950 posted on 03/10/2007 9:32:24 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Any weapon is a militia weapon"

Damn! You should have argued the Miller case!

That stupid U.S. Supreme Court didn't realize that any weapon is a militia weapon. They said they needed evidence! Can you believe that?

951 posted on 03/10/2007 9:32:33 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: smoketree

Seems like the courts are in agreement. ;-)


952 posted on 03/10/2007 9:32:39 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: robertpaulsen

That is like asking for evidence water is wet. It only matters to complete and utter buffoons like you.


953 posted on 03/10/2007 9:33:25 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: robertpaulsen

And if the state is part of a so called government tyranny does that mean that the militia is also.
The whole business of "the People" being armed independent of any government is to prevent the tyranny of the government.
Your position is baseless and foolhardy.


954 posted on 03/10/2007 9:35:57 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Bang the gavel, it is so ordered.


955 posted on 03/10/2007 9:37:46 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: smoketree
I call this one gavel..

It does go "bang".

(16" total length 12ga 10" barreled "master key" 870 adaptation currently in use by our Forces in Iraq. Fully suitable for use in a militia capacity or for home defense, but totally illegal for civvies to own)

956 posted on 03/10/2007 9:40:22 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Then we should have it.
Looks good for close work.
Can't choose the right weapon if you don't have a choice.
The left is all about choice aren't they?


957 posted on 03/10/2007 9:43:21 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Or that without those arms, there is no way for civilians to participate in militia duty."

Ya gotta wonder how the National Guard does it!

You're really not too bright, are you?

958 posted on 03/10/2007 9:45:42 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: smoketree
I guess so. They all seem to have "pro-choice" bumper stickers. Well, mine is a quad-mounted set of M-2's for really bad traffic days. A brace of 10mm EAA imports for daily carry. And a AA-12 full auto shotgun for after midnight uninvited guests.

Also, various sharp and pointy things I may want to carry around from time to time as fashion statements...

959 posted on 03/10/2007 9:46:06 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: robertpaulsen
Ya gotta wonder how the National Guard does it!

Addressed in the ruling. You still haven't finished that remedial reading course? You'd better get crackin'... instead of smoking it...

960 posted on 03/10/2007 9:47:04 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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