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"Ban Ann Coulter": Free speech for me but not for thee?
SFGate: The Ross Report ^ | 3/9/7 | Andrew S. Ross

Posted on 03/09/2007 12:57:28 PM PST by SmithL

The Chronicle's story today on the ongoing furor over Ann Coulter and the 'F-word', reports that the backlash includes a campaign initiated today by a gay rights group and media watchdog to persuade mainstream media outlets to dump her for good.

The organizations in question, GLAAD and the Human Rights Campaign, are seeking to get rid of Coulter from the airwaves and from being syndicated to newspapers.

Is all this a step too far?

Ironically, GLAAD itself is the target of a campaign by the American Family Association to get the Ford Motor Co., a development noted by the gay web site, Queerty.

Taking a leaf from HRC's book, should other organizations petition to take Bill Maher off of HBO because of his off-color remarks on the possible untimely death of Dick Cheney. That happened to Maher once before, when "Politically Incorrect" was summarily dispatched from ABC after he made comments perceived to be politically incorrect about Al Qaeda.

So, how far might, or should, this erosion of offensive speech go?

Is there a difference between activist organizations pushing to boot Ann Coulter off the air, and, say, the government of Turkey banning You Tube because of perceived undignified references to Kamal Attaturk (since lifted by a Turkish court). Or schools and libraries banning literature considered "dangerous." Or New York City banning the "N-word", no matter how much it is part of the vernacular (as is the "F-word"). Or, for that matter, Europe criminalizing Holocaust denial.

All terribly offensive, of course, but so are Klan marches, and neo-Nazi marches through Skokie, which the ACLU defended

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; borked; dixiechicks; freespeech
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1 posted on 03/09/2007 12:57:32 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

The people who are doing this are the same people who talk about the Dixie Chicks like they're Saint Stephen, Patron of Martyrs.


2 posted on 03/09/2007 1:00:00 PM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: SmithL
AFAIC, they can protest all they want. As long as Ann's books sell and she is in demand as a speaker, their demands will have all the effect of a leaf falling is a river.

Go Ann Go!

3 posted on 03/09/2007 1:00:06 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: SmithL

First Schlesinger now Coulter. It seems the conservative white women are the only ones willing to risk anything to stop the homo/race pimp/liberal agenda. Why are white men so unwilling to do what they have done?


4 posted on 03/09/2007 1:00:14 PM PST by Domicile of Doom
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To: SmithL

San Fran tried to ban Fox News so no one could see O'Reilly. Free speech as long as you believe what WE believe.


5 posted on 03/09/2007 1:01:13 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: SmithL

I've always found people who try to silence their opponents far more offensive than even the most outrageous speech.


6 posted on 03/09/2007 1:02:21 PM PST by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: SmithL
San Francisco's Queer Theater Presents Its Winter Season

There is no standard like a double standard
7 posted on 03/09/2007 1:03:50 PM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: voltaires_zit
I've always found people who try to silence their opponents far more offensive than even the most outrageous speech.

Dixie Chicks?

8 posted on 03/09/2007 1:05:10 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: SmithL

"So, how far might, or should, this erosion of offensive speech go?"

Efforts to limit the commercial exposure and viability of Ann Coulter do not affect her free speech.

If not being on network news is the measure of the freedom of a person's speech, I am virtually without a voice!


9 posted on 03/09/2007 1:06:27 PM PST by Sols
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To: denydenydeny

Ann brought this on herself.

She has a right to free speech. Everyone else has the right to object to what she says.

Whats the problem?


10 posted on 03/09/2007 1:06:29 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: SmithL

This has nothing to do with Free Speech. Coulter isn't being prosecuted by the government. She has the right to say what she wants, and others have the right to complain, boycott, or whatever. It wasn't a Free Speech issue when Freepers boycotted the Dixie Chicks, and it isn't a Free Speech issue now.


11 posted on 03/09/2007 1:07:18 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: SmithL
To which Ann replied Bring it on faggots!
12 posted on 03/09/2007 1:08:34 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Stone Mountain

I'm tired of being annoyed by the NAGGERS!


13 posted on 03/09/2007 1:09:48 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TC Rider

Whatwhatwhat? : )


14 posted on 03/09/2007 1:11:08 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Rummyfan

Stick to your guns Ann!


15 posted on 03/09/2007 1:12:59 PM PST by Issaquahking (Duncan Hunter for president!)
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To: Doe Eyes

Neither what Ms Coulter said, nor what the Dixie Chicks said, is particularly outrageous, imo. Outrageous is, for example, David Duke or Louis Farrakhan in some of their more "out there" moments.

Somebody who was offended might reasonably not buy any more of the offended party's merchandise (whatever it may be).

But to go out of one's way to kick them from the marketplace is just a cheap ploy to limit debate.


16 posted on 03/09/2007 1:13:28 PM PST by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: JRochelle

I'm neither attacking nor defending Coulter. All my post did was point out how the Human Rights Campaigns of the world that are so intent on silencing Coulter are the same people who are horrified by the "censoring" of the Dixie Chicks.

Literacy is a valuable skill.


17 posted on 03/09/2007 1:15:17 PM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: Rummyfan

LOL!!!!!


18 posted on 03/09/2007 1:15:38 PM PST by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: Stone Mountain

Whatwhatwhat? : )

LOL!! Caught me off guard.


19 posted on 03/09/2007 1:16:02 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: JRochelle

>>Ann brought this on herself.
She has a right to free speech. Everyone else has the right to object to what she says.
Whats the problem?<<

I'm with you on this one. She knows what she is doing here and it is high entertainment to watch the detractors squirm.

And with every controversy, she becomes more and more of a household word - first derided, and then applauded as people educate themselves.

Human beings are fascinating!


20 posted on 03/09/2007 1:16:12 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: SmithL; Ann Coulter
I can see it NOW.. Anns next book..
.."FAGGOT"..
(The Art of being NormalPhobic)
21 posted on 03/09/2007 1:16:13 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Stone Mountain

"This has nothing to do with Free Speech. Coulter isn't being prosecuted by the government. She has the right to say what she wants, and others have the right to complain, boycott, or whatever. It wasn't a Free Speech issue when Freepers boycotted the Dixie Chicks, and it isn't a Free Speech issue now."

I'll tell you what is a problem though, and that's the media jumping on the bandwagon and using their power to attack Coulter. The media still have influence, and they still use it for evil.


22 posted on 03/09/2007 1:19:27 PM PST by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: SmithL

We ridicule the DUers when they post stuff about the Dixie Chicks having their "freedom of speech" taken away by all those "right wing haters".

How are we supposed to respond when we have folks the right using the same ridiculous argument?

She can say whatever she wants, and the papers are free to run her columns or not. It's obviously not a free speech issue.


23 posted on 03/09/2007 1:20:49 PM PST by dmz
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To: Domicile of Doom

Ever heard of Michael Savage?


24 posted on 03/09/2007 1:21:31 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked)
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To: Domicile of Doom

"First Schlesinger now Coulter. It seems the conservative white women are the only ones willing to risk anything to stop the homo/race pimp/liberal agenda. Why are white men so unwilling to do what they have done?"

That is my point as well. If Bush/Frist/Hastert et.al. had half the spine of these two ladies, we wouldn't have lost the last election. Reid and Pelosi don't hold back, nor any of the Dems.


25 posted on 03/09/2007 1:24:50 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: RobRoy
Human beings are fascinating!

I'll take that as a compliment.

26 posted on 03/09/2007 1:25:23 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: Puppage

27 posted on 03/09/2007 1:30:08 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much government. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SmithL

And back to reality....she told a joke. She didn't really call anybody anything.


28 posted on 03/09/2007 1:30:59 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Rummyfan
I'm glad that Ann has the foresight and the gonads to call faggots, faggots.
29 posted on 03/09/2007 1:36:47 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: vpintheak

I seem to remember he (Savage) did stand up for himself on the homo issue on TV but another problem with that is that White Men cannot maintain their credibility with the general public. White Men are seen as the problem, the threat, and the evil among the masses. Your average Oprah watcher could never conceive of the types of things this group of people has done for humanity.

Eventually when White men are removed from doing anything in society and branded officially dangerous, then society will implode. I thinks there is lots o'money in rebuilding a society that has been destroyed by stupidheads.

Pardon my buffoonery ;)


30 posted on 03/09/2007 1:38:09 PM PST by Domicile of Doom (Hey boy why is there dirt in my hole? I dunno Boss.)
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To: SmithL
If only..........they would ban GLAD, HRC, etc etc etc, then they would be saying something worthwhile!! ALL of those afore mentioned groups, including the etc's, are banned in my house!
31 posted on 03/09/2007 1:38:29 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

>>And back to reality....she told a joke. She didn't really call anybody anything.<<

Exactly! If I said, "I can think of a few names to call Hillary, but Joe got sent to rehab for calling someone a cracker." that doesn't mean I am calling her a cracker.

A lot of people fail to notice what she actually said.

Likewise, in Hillary's campaign announcement, she did not actually say she is running. I am waiting for that to come back to haunt everyone when it becomes clear she cannot win the nomination.


32 posted on 03/09/2007 1:38:50 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: dsc

That may be a problem, but it's still not a Free Speech issue.


33 posted on 03/09/2007 1:43:16 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

"That may be a problem, but it's still not a Free Speech issue."

It can very quickly become one, with the media grooming the public to sit still for laws that ban speech that the left doesn't like.


34 posted on 03/09/2007 2:00:21 PM PST by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: dsc
It can very quickly become one, with the media grooming the public to sit still for laws that ban speech that the left doesn't like.

If those laws come up, then it's a Free Speech issue. If the media expresses an opinion about something, it may be repugnant, but again, it's not a Free Speech issue. This Ann Coulter flap has absolutley nothing to do with Free Speech.
35 posted on 03/09/2007 2:05:39 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

It's a South Park thing.

New episode that aired on Wed, will probably be shown again on Sat.


36 posted on 03/09/2007 2:05:51 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: All
This occurred to me -- and others I suppose. So this may simply be a repeat. But without doubt it is true.

Why all the frenzy over name calling, mean-spirited rhetoric, and such?

Hillary.

They know that Hillary is dirty and they want a general agreement before the election gets going that will negate all talk of Hillary's shenanigans past, present, and future.

More proof that something is definitely up (to no good). Why else would a Clinonista (Begala?) have a new book decrying the insulting language of both sides -- even going so far as to feign disappointment with his Rat Party? I've heard interviews on the radio but I cannot remember the author.

37 posted on 03/09/2007 2:08:09 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Domicile of Doom

Come to think of it, Atlas was a White Guy wasn't he?


38 posted on 03/09/2007 2:09:52 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SmithL

Supposedly, bipartisan government is a scale depended from a point won in open debate; while this may sound good in theory, what we have seen since about 1960 is an ever-increasing set of restrictions on the terms of the debate get mostly hung on the liberal side of the string until the scale has now become weighted to one side only and it turns into a dredge being dragged through the sludge.

The only reason this country hasn't become a Democrat bulldozer is that once every few years the string breaks and the swamp settles back in.


39 posted on 03/09/2007 2:09:58 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: TC Rider

I know - I was trying to respond in South Park fashion! (Sheila Broslofski)


40 posted on 03/09/2007 2:11:05 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: SmithL

Thanks for the pic. :) Although we've never even met, I love that gal! She's strong, independent, assertive, determined, smart, truthful, articulate, witty, charming and one downright hot babe! lol If I were 20 years younger... LOL


41 posted on 03/09/2007 2:14:44 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: RobRoy

There's no there, there.

This is convincing proof of how the mass media can manipulate the (unthinking and unquestioning) masses to believe anything they want them to believe.

It's just another test of their waning power to control the public dialogue. Obviously, there's more than a few not falling for it -- and those are the ones who make a difference in the world -- the increasing more that can see right through them and their manipulations.

Good work, people.

It's time for them to drag out Jimmy Carter with his latest inanity -- or Helen Thomas with her latest love psalm to George Bush. Don't you just love that twist of rage that contorts liberal's faces when they are seen through as the hate- and fear-mongers they are?

Eventually, those looks become permanently embedded into their faces. (No pictures, please.)


42 posted on 03/09/2007 2:15:00 PM PST by MikeHu
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To: Stone Mountain
This has nothing to do with Free Speech. Coulter isn't being prosecuted by the government. She has the right to say what she wants, and others have the right to complain, boycott, or whatever. It wasn't a Free Speech issue when Freepers boycotted the Dixie Chicks, and it isn't a Free Speech issue now.

Succinct and accurate. Thank you.
43 posted on 03/09/2007 2:20:03 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SmithL
More faggot news out of SF. Big surprise.
44 posted on 03/09/2007 2:40:30 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Stone Mountain

"If those laws come up, then it's a Free Speech issue. If the media expresses an opinion about something, it may be repugnant, but again, it's not a Free Speech issue. This Ann Coulter flap has absolutley nothing to do with Free Speech."

I love ignorance parading as authority.

Freedom of speech is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment.

That doesn't mean that the only limits to free speech can come from the United States government -- which is prohibited by the US Constitution from doing the same.

There are plenty of other ways in which "free speech" can be limited or punished apart from the US government -- or any government.

Ever hear of the Spanish Inquisition? The Hayes Code? Political correctness?

Hell yeah it's a free speech issue. Coulter's joke was about how political correctness is destroying free speech.

Call someone a schoolyard taunt, and you have to go into rehab or lose your job -- even your career.

And of course her joke has been proved highly accurate by the response it has gotten -- from boneheads like you.

Wake the hell up.


45 posted on 03/09/2007 2:53:51 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: SmithL
I will never understand. She sets traps for the Liberals and they leap into them. They then writhe around, screaming, excoritaing, wailing etc. proving, affirming her point.

They never get it! Ever.

46 posted on 03/09/2007 2:56:16 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Sam Hill
Even here on FR there are many who do not under stand that political correctness has stopped people from saying what they really believe for fear of losing their means to make a living.

Very sad.
47 posted on 03/09/2007 3:12:49 PM PST by kempo (blA)
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To: Sam Hill
Freedom of speech is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment.

Well, if you look at it like that, sure. I was referring to Freedom of Speech as defined by American law, not the overall concept. Which means that it's the the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment from the government. Any other punishment - losing her job, losing her credibiliy, whatever, has nothing to do with the government. And therefore, as far as I'm concerned, has nothing to do with Free Speech. Again, I am looking at it from a legal point of view - otherwise, you could just as easily say that the Dixie Chicks were denied Free Speech rights by Clear Channel.

And of course her joke has been proved highly accurate by the response it has gotten -- from boneheads like you.

Nice insult. When all else fails, resort to ad hominem, huh? It's a shame you can't debate in a civilized manner, but hey, there you are. If JR decides to ban you from the forum (I didn't complain, btw) for inappropriate posting, it wouldn't be a Free Speech issue either. Maybe you can point to the response that I gave that makes her joke "proved highly accurate." How about it? Hint: She can say what she likes. People can choose to hire her if they like. The government isn't enforcing political correctness - so again, it's not a Free Speech issue.
48 posted on 03/09/2007 3:18:42 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Rummyfan
Let us vow to buy her next book. Of course, if the DemonRATs had their way they would turn this country into the People's Republic of China and have Ann taken in for re-education--rehab--complete with shaved head like the did in the novel 1984. Then they would purge all of her writings from the public.

We know their modus operandi.

49 posted on 03/09/2007 3:20:43 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: kempo
Even here on FR there are many who do not under stand that political correctness has stopped people from saying what they really believe for fear of losing their means to make a living.

This may be true, but it's still not a Freedom of Speech issue (as in US government). People are allowed to say anything politically incorrect they want. Employers are allowed to fire employees for not espousing the views they wish. That's the way the market works. If there are enough people out there who care about politically correct speech, and if newspapers or TV broadcasters want to pander to them, that's their right. If they want to print the politically incorrect view and risk alienating their reader/viewership, that's their right, too. Ann Coulter has no free speech issue here. She made a statement that was within her rights. Some of her employers didn't like what she said and dropped her. That's the market at work, not a Free Speech issue.
50 posted on 03/09/2007 3:24:35 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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