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Bright sun, warm Earth. Coincidence?
National Post ^ | Lorne Gunter

Posted on 03/12/2007 2:54:40 AM PDT by Clive

Mars's ice caps are melting, and Jupiter is developing a second giant red spot, an enormous hurricane-like storm.

The existing Great Red Spot is 300 years old and twice the size of Earth. The new storm -- Red Spot Jr. -- is thought to be the result of a sudden warming on our solar system's largest planet. Dr. Imke de Pater of Berkeley University says some parts of Jupiter are now as much as six degrees Celsius warmer than just a few years ago.

Neptune's moon, Triton, studied in 1989 after the unmanned Voyageur probe flew past, seems to have heated up significantly since then. Parts of its frozen nitrogen surface have begun melting and turning to gas, making Triton's atmosphere denser.

Even Pluto has warmed slightly in recent years, if you can call -230C instead of -233C "warmer."

And I swear, I haven't left my SUV idling on any of those planets or moons. Honest, I haven't.

Is there something all these heavenly bodies have in common? Some one thing they all share that could be causing them to warm in unison?

Hmmm, is there some giant, self-luminous ball of burning gas with a mass more than 300,000 times that of Earth and a core temperature of more than 20-million degrees Celsius, that for the past century or more has been unusually active and powerful? Is there something like that around which they all revolve that could be causing this multi-globe warming? Naw!

They must all have congested commuter highways, coal-fired power plants and oilsands developments that are releasing large amounts of carbon dioxide into their atmospheres, too.

A decade ago, when global warming and Kyoto was just beginning to capture public attention, I published a quiz elsewhere that bears repeating in our current hyper-charged environmental debate: Quick, which is usually warmer, day or night?

And what is typically the warmest part of the day? The warmest time of year?

Finally, which are generally warmer: cloudy or cloudless days?

If you answered day, afternoon, summer and cloudless you may be well on your way to understanding what is causing global warming.

For the past century and a half, Earth has been warming. Coincidentally (or perhaps not so coincidentally), during that same period, our sun has been brightening, becoming more active, sending out more radiation.

Habibullah Abdussamatov of the Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in St. Petersburg, Sami Solanki of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany, Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon of the Solar and Stellar Physics Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a host of the rest of the world's leading solar scientists are all convinced that the warming of recent years is not unusual and that nearly all the warming in the past 150 years can be attributed to the sun.

Solar scientists from Iowa to Siberia have overlaid the last several warm periods on our planet with known variations in our sun's activity and found, according to Mr. Solanki, "a near-perfect match."

Mr. Abdussamatov concedes manmade gasses may have made "a small contribution to the warming in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance."

Mr. Soon showed as long ago as the mid-1990s that the depth of the Little Ice Age -- the coldest period in the northern hemisphere in the past 1,500 years -- corresponded perfectly with a solar event known as the Maunder Minimum. For nearly seven decades there was virtually no sunspot activity.

Our sun was particular quiet. And for those 60 to 70 years, the northern half of our globe, at least, was in a deep freeze.

Is it so hard to believe then that the sun could be causing our current warming, too?

At the very least, the fact that so many prominent scientists have legitimate, logical objections to the current global warming orthodoxy means there is no "consensus" among scientists about the cause.

Here's a prediction: The sun's current active phase is expected to wane in 20 to 40 years, at which time the planet will begin cooling. Since that is when most of the greenhouse emission reductions proposed by the UN and others are slated to come into full effect, the "greens" will see that cooling and claim, "See, we warned you and made you take action, and look, we saved the planet."

Of course, they will have had nothing to do with it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: globalwarming

1 posted on 03/12/2007 2:54:42 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...


2 posted on 03/12/2007 2:55:09 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

Bump for reference


3 posted on 03/12/2007 2:59:08 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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To: Clive
Mr. Abdussamatov concedes manmade gasses may have made "a small contribution to the warming in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance."

Exactly.

4 posted on 03/12/2007 3:01:58 AM PDT by libertylover (Liberals: Trying to convert the U.S. into a country the Founding Father's wouldn't recognize.)
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To: Clive
I haven't left my SUV idling on any of those planets or moons. Honest, I haven't.

well, somebody obviously has. duh. that makes more sense than actually considering that the SUN might have something to do with global warming.

;P

5 posted on 03/12/2007 3:06:48 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: Clive

EXCELLENT - THE ANTI INCONVENIENT TRUTH

1hour 15 minutes - pass it on

The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en


6 posted on 03/12/2007 3:34:06 AM PDT by midway
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To: Clive

Maybe we can strap all the SUV's together on a tether tied to the earth and move the earth a few more feet away from the sun.


7 posted on 03/12/2007 3:41:39 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Clive
What a bunch of tripe. The sun makes things warmer here on earth and on other plantets??? C'mon, that's quite a stretch, don't you think? Why, just about every climatologist says humans make earth warm and those who don't are going to have their license revoked, as it should be. Global warming is caused by the sun?!? Hahahahaha....too funny.
8 posted on 03/12/2007 4:34:35 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Clive

Someone needs to send this writer to a political reeducation camp (read: an American university).

It is just sooooooo boring for a pierced, tattooed, self-mutilated DUer living in their parents' basement or in a cereal-box flat somewhere in the suburbs to believe that the huge, unpredictable nuclear reaction known as the sun could be responsible. It's much easier and seductive to blame that nice SUV that dwarfs their old Dodge Neon.


9 posted on 03/12/2007 4:50:18 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Clive; xcamel; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...
Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

10 posted on 03/12/2007 4:52:50 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Clive
The article conflates two phenomenon, the increasing solar irradiance that could also warm other planets and the variations in magnetic activity as measured by the sunspots. The increasing irradiance is very slow and would cause only a fraction of a degree rise here (and other planets) over hundreds of years. The magnetic activity could influence earth's weather and climate by modulating cosmic rays or some other mechanism, but it is doubtful that the same mechanisms would apply to other planets. The other issue is that earth's weather and climate lacks any significant 22 year cycle to match up to the sunspot cycle.

In short, the big changes in sunspots are interesting and could be significant, especially for the little ice age. The correlation of our climate with other planets is weak and probably has little to do with the sun.

11 posted on 03/12/2007 4:52:54 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: GBA
No its all humans fault I tell you. The second red spot was caused by the Galileo probe, it burned up and released toxic something or other into the atmosphere. And Mars is being warmed up by those two rovers driving around for the last three years. And don't tell me that they are electrics, because you should know by now that facts have no place in any argument involving global warming.

Wow its fun to play liberal isn't it :)
12 posted on 03/12/2007 5:04:13 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Clive; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown



13 posted on 03/12/2007 5:04:45 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: GonzoGOP

Bush used his time machine (built by Haliburton) to make the sun hotter...


14 posted on 03/12/2007 5:09:56 AM PDT by swatbuznik ((Hunter '08 --apostrophes optional))
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To: midway

OMG!! I just watched and downloaded this. What an amazing show!!!

ALL FReepers would benefit from watching this show.


15 posted on 03/12/2007 5:10:06 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Clive
And I swear, I haven't left my SUV idling on any of those planets or moons. Honest, I haven't.

Dick Cheney and the Halliburton board have been taking secret trips to Jupiter, eating beans and farting in the Jovian atmosphere.

16 posted on 03/12/2007 5:14:09 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Clive

Does the "Swindle" movie feature the solar proof?


17 posted on 03/12/2007 5:17:39 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Clive

Thanks for the excellent post....I'm forwarding this to Friends ;-)


18 posted on 03/12/2007 5:20:50 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: palmer
The correlation of our climate with other planets is weak and probably has little to do with the sun.

LOLOL!

19 posted on 03/12/2007 5:26:15 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Clive
Oh! The author shouldn't confuse the argument with facts like that! ALGORE will have him discredited.
20 posted on 03/12/2007 5:27:52 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: Clive
This article is just more "non-believer" rhetoric.

Manbearpig is thuper therial.
21 posted on 03/12/2007 5:41:09 AM PDT by adm5
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To: montag813

Very well-documented solar links are in the movie


22 posted on 03/12/2007 5:45:44 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: midway

bump


23 posted on 03/12/2007 5:46:05 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Clive
Great synopsis.
24 posted on 03/12/2007 5:48:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Debtor's fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: midway
That is an excellent video! I downloaded it, put it on a DVD and watched it last nite.

I'm passing this 'un around.

25 posted on 03/12/2007 5:49:38 AM PDT by Chasaway (Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well.)
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To: Clive

I wonder if any of this will be questioned by Algore and his crew? This is the type of proof to counter the BS that he is shouting and profiting from and he should be ashamed of his behavior.


26 posted on 03/12/2007 5:52:45 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Terrorists are using dim talking points over and over.)
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To: midway
The Great Global Warming Swindle 1hour 15 minutes - pass it on

Thanks for the link..

BTTT

27 posted on 03/12/2007 6:05:10 AM PDT by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: fanfan; All
To give some idea of scale?

-- here's another for perspective:


A picture's worth a thousand words...





An early- and still favorite- post of mine:



The Sun has a Thousand Faces--- Thread
3

More perspective:


28 posted on 03/12/2007 6:11:57 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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To: Clive
Part of the problem is that if stars really are thermonuclear engines as we've been taught all our lives, there would be no reason to think they would heat up and cool off periodically.

There is however a growing body of evidence that stars are basically electrical and plasma-physics phenomena and not thermonuclear engines.

If as some of these proponents claim stars actually act like lightning rods or focal points of cosmic plasma discharge, then you would EXPECT them to heat up and cool off periodically as they move through regions of space with lesser or greater electrical potential difference from themselves.

That would be game, set, and match against the man-made warming freaks.

29 posted on 03/12/2007 6:34:06 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: Clive

Bump for later!!!!!!


30 posted on 03/12/2007 6:43:16 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Clive

The Sun clearly has cycles. It is not the never-changing monolith that some think and the global warming crowd trumpets.

The Sun clearly has an 11 year cycle. That 11 year cycle is really composed of 2 related 11 year cycles making another 22 year cycle. Those cycles vary considerably in size and length.

The Sun clearly has at least one longer cycle. The Maunder Minimum of 400 years ago shows the Sun might have fairly large variations over longer time scales.

The 100,000 year ice age cycle is likely affected by solar variation as much as changes in the earth's orbit.

The climate change community puts the variance at 0.1%. Why they discount it so much is obvious.


31 posted on 03/12/2007 6:56:27 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: Clive

Bumped and Bookmarked


32 posted on 03/12/2007 7:04:50 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: Clive

33 posted on 03/12/2007 7:58:15 AM PDT by SquirrelKing ("When a coin in the carbon pot rings, out of global warming hell a soul does spring." - Timothy Ball)
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To: Clive; All

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Liberty has powerful environmental benefits. Freedom unleashes forces most needed to make our environment cleaner, healthier and safer for the future. It fosters scientific inquiry, technological innovation, entrepreneurship, rapid information exchange, accuracy and flexibility.

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34 posted on 03/12/2007 8:42:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: palmer
The correlation of our climate with other planets is weak and probably has little to do with the sun.

My nomination for stupidest thing I've heard on this subject.

What, pray tell, IS the correlation? Or is it just some grand coincidence that they are ALL warming at the same time?

35 posted on 03/12/2007 8:56:42 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: backhoe

Great post Backhoe.


36 posted on 03/12/2007 9:31:45 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Our planet is warming a bit and other planets and moons are warming and maybe cooling a bit for various reasons. The only reason we would have in common would be changes in solar irradiance, but that change (increase) is small, something like 0.1% per century (IIRC). The other solar effects that might warm our planet like the cosmic rays that get by the sun's magnetic field are applicable to our planet, not the others. So the correlation to other planetary warming is weak, if any.


37 posted on 03/12/2007 2:26:49 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Clive

Well, who are these scientists to dispute the wisdom of the Almighty Knower of All Things About the Climate Worth Knowing Al Gore himself? I mean who do these eggheads think they are? The Great Genius Gore has pronounced man-made global warming a fact. The impudent upstarts. (hrummp)


38 posted on 03/12/2007 2:49:25 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: midway; MadIvan
Great video and kudos to the Brits for showing it. I have passed it far & wide and hope that some US Network has the guts to pick it up.

BTW... From the ending of the film, I have developed my new tag line.

39 posted on 03/12/2007 8:46:45 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Clive

Heresy!


40 posted on 03/12/2007 8:48:29 PM PDT by magellan
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To: midway
FYI, your global warming video link no longer works..

I was, however, able to find what I believe is the same video (and others) at Google-YouTube by doing a search for Global Warming..
There are many, many video clips, and some movies available on both sides.
I particularly liked the BBC's 8 part set criticizing the Global Warming scam..

41 posted on 03/13/2007 2:01:19 PM PDT by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Clive

Perhaps some people might like to vote in the poll at this site:

http://today.ninemsn.com.au/


42 posted on 03/13/2007 8:21:59 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: rickdylan
Part of the problem is that if stars really are thermonuclear engines as we've been taught all our lives, there would be no reason to think they would heat up and cool off periodically.

According to Ted Holden, the clown prince of astrophysics.

43 posted on 03/20/2007 3:54:35 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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