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Rock Hall Voting Scandal: Dave Clark 5 Actually Won (Jann Wenner FINALLY EXPOSED)
FoxNews ^ | 3-16-07

Posted on 03/15/2007 9:33:26 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

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To: SoCal Pubbie
I recall when the Rock Museum was opening, and Spin magazine reported its opening ceremonies, which happened in the day time, and the writer commented "Rock n roll doesn't happen in the daytime." Not a huge Spin fan but that writer GOT it, at least.

It's so amusing how rockers start out as rebels and then demand respect from the institutions and society they rebelled against.

21 posted on 03/15/2007 10:13:16 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Captainpaintball

Jann Wenner
Rolling Stone $4,600 Republican
$137,750 Democrat
$3,258 special interest
total: $145,608


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22 posted on 03/15/2007 10:15:06 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Liberals : So open-minded....their brains have all fallen out)
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To: My Favorite Headache
This guy's definitely an idiot for not including artists as hugely talented as Chaka Khan or Pat Benatar! What is this cat smoking?! My goodness, Benatar alone was instrumental in bringing women center stage in the Rock genre during the eighties. Weren't 'Hit Me With Your Best Shot' and 'Heartbreaker' two of Ms. Benatar's biggest hits? And what about Chaka Khan's cover of Prince's 'I Feel For You' and 'Through The Fire'? You also have to look at her work with the Soul/Funk band Rufus: 'Tell Me Something Good', 'Sweet Thing', and 'Ain't Nobody'.

Simply crazy.
23 posted on 03/15/2007 10:15:10 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: T Lady

Love Is A Battlefield was just on VH1 Classic...we were just talking about her not being in it when the video was on...funny you mention her. I just saw her last year...voice is as great as ever...ditto the looks.


24 posted on 03/15/2007 10:16:54 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Liberals : So open-minded....their brains have all fallen out)
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To: JennysCool

I like it like that!


25 posted on 03/15/2007 10:23:29 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: capydick
> Right on, the Hall is quickly becoming a joke.

Correction, its been a joke since day one. I live about 15' away and have never felt the need in the last 21 years its been in existence to walk through the doors at $20 a pop, in large part as a protest over who is not there. There is also a lot of resentment in the area, among a wide range of people, that the induction ceremonies are held in NYC and not in Cleveland, although we can watch them live at the hall if we want to PAY for the "privilege". No thanks, I'll pass.
26 posted on 03/15/2007 10:27:45 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Catch us if you can!


27 posted on 03/15/2007 10:29:19 PM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: ADemocratNoMore

That is why fraud's like Wenner need to be exposed more and more...this guy has gotten and is getting away with murder. One man controlling it all...total shit.


28 posted on 03/15/2007 10:30:23 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Liberals : So open-minded....their brains have all fallen out)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Being an eclectic conessieur of music, I own a compilation of Pat Benatar's hits that was released nearly two years ago on Capitol records. On the liner notes, Joan Jett ('I Love Rock 'n Roll') mentions Pat Benatar as being influential in her own career. Were it not for Pat Benatar or Joan Jett for that matter, there wouldn't be a Liz Phair, Alanis Morrisette, or Joan Osbourne.
29 posted on 03/15/2007 10:32:04 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: T Lady

Yeah I have a 4 disc collection of her's...I love Pat and Neil and they do some USO work at times as well. Good people.


30 posted on 03/15/2007 10:39:19 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Liberals : So open-minded....their brains have all fallen out)
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To: ADemocratNoMore

I can definitely understand the resentment the people of Cleveland have towards the elitist Hall Of Fame board members not wanting to have the induction ceremonies held in the Hall itself.

Where's the Cleveland City Council stand on this? Don't they know revenue when they see it?


31 posted on 03/15/2007 10:40:24 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: My Favorite Headache
'...I love Pat and Neil and they do some USO work at times as well. Good people.'

Perhaps that's why Jann Wenner won't induct her--she actually does something which supports our troops.
32 posted on 03/15/2007 10:42:36 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: T Lady
> Where's the Cleveland City Council stand on this?

I have no idea, but what can they do?. Cleveland is home to the Cleveland Orchestra, one of the top 3 or 4 Symphony Orchestras on the planet, and as far as I know, they are on their own as far as marketing themselves to the rest of the world.
33 posted on 03/15/2007 10:49:29 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I have the real rock and roll hall of fame! My vast record collection! The hell with Wenner and the whole HOF crap! The artists who aren't in there made some of the best music ever!

BTW, Machine Head and Made In Japan by Deep Purple, 2 of my favorite all time lps!!


34 posted on 03/15/2007 10:51:24 PM PDT by upsdriver ((Hunter / Thompson......Gonzo politics)
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To: T Lady
Were it not for Pat Benatar or Joan Jett for that matter, there wouldn't be a Liz Phair, Alanis Morrisette, or Joan Osbourne.

EXACTLY true, Ms. T!

35 posted on 03/15/2007 11:05:26 PM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: JennysCool
Which makes it rather puzzling that neither of these women were ever (or are yet to be) inducted into the Hall Of Fame. Of course Patty Smyth had been around a bit longer than Benatar or Jett, but who can remember anything she's done? Do you happen to know anything she released at the height of her career?
36 posted on 03/15/2007 11:13:40 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: T Lady
Ha ha! Cuz you said "Patty Smyth," I wrote, "The Warrior" -- that was her solo single after Scandal.

Now that I realize you meant "Patti Smith," well, "Because the Night" and the "Horses" album.

I'm a Philistine, tho -- I like "The Warrior" better. But, then, I am an incorrigible male! :-)

37 posted on 03/15/2007 11:22:18 PM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: Darkwolf377

Mojo Nixon did a song about it, "Rock And Roll Hall of Lame"


38 posted on 03/16/2007 12:45:12 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: My Favorite Headache

RRHF is just another award show at this point. A rapper qualifies as rocker??? Shoot, might as well let in disco. Let the rappers take over an old jail or prison facility and start their own hall.


39 posted on 03/16/2007 3:45:21 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: ADemocratNoMore
....the induction ceremonies are held in NYC and not in Cleveland

I never got that either, and at the Waldorf Astoria of all places! The Waldorf is nice, but it's definitely not Rock n Roll. The only positive thing I have to say about the hall is that their website is pretty good and, you can see clips of past jams. The Led Zeppelin clips with Joe Perry and Neil Young are pretty good but I can do without the acceptance speeches.

40 posted on 03/16/2007 6:30:41 AM PDT by capydick (Better to Fight for Something Than to Live for Nothing)
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