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Latest MI GOP POLL: McCain 30% Giuliani 26% Romney %20 Gingrich 16% Thompson 2% Brownback 1%
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Posted on 03/19/2007 1:37:15 PM PDT by nowandlater

It looks like a three way dog fight is emerging between Rudy, McCain, and Romney. As a Romney fan it looks like the advertising in selected states like NH an MI are working.


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To: JohnnyZ

BTW, when reading the two lines together in that post, the meaning is clear.


51 posted on 03/19/2007 2:38:45 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: nowandlater

How does it feel to be a pimp ? An unpaid pimp at that ..

Remember the rule - If you're not supporting Rudy or Hunter - you're pimpin .


52 posted on 03/19/2007 2:39:25 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)
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To: nowandlater

Either Fred Thompson has no chance or too few people even know he might be running yet.

Or...this poll is meaningless since it shows McCain leading.


53 posted on 03/19/2007 2:41:05 PM PDT by RockinRight ("After two years in Washington, I often long for the realism and sincerity of Hollywood." - FDT)
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To: hkp123

I agree.


54 posted on 03/19/2007 2:42:22 PM PDT by RockinRight ("After two years in Washington, I often long for the realism and sincerity of Hollywood." - FDT)
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To: pissant

63% never heard of Hunter Ping!


55 posted on 03/19/2007 2:42:51 PM PDT by BUSHdude2000 (Get the embedded reporters out of Iraq and finish the job)
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To: BUSHdude2000

THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE COWBELL!!!!


56 posted on 03/19/2007 2:48:40 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Bunch of paid staffers running around pimping their guy by trashing the rest of the field. And post about it, and it gets pulled in 30 seconds.

Your pulled thread (I read it) was tinfoil stuff. People post their actual opinions here. Voluminously. Proportional to their political passion — which is enormous. The only "official" representative of any kind I've seen this primary season is Hunter's son, which I see no problem with since he clearly identified himself as such. There is absolutely zero evidence for your conspiracy-theory charge, which is why you can bet it was pulled.

57 posted on 03/19/2007 2:50:22 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: FreedomNeocon

I think a lot of people are afraid of uncertainty and think supporting anyone now is better and waiting what the candidates have to say and how things shake out.

I'm not in love with any of the main contenders, though the only one I'm really against is McCain. There just isn't anyone to be for at this point.

The three main ones apologize for what Ann Coulter says, that's pathetic. I'd like a strong leader. Someone who can be trusted.


58 posted on 03/19/2007 2:51:47 PM PDT by Duke Nukum ('Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all/ Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.' --Yeats)
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To: nowandlater

Obviously a poll of democrats..


59 posted on 03/19/2007 2:53:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: Duke Nukum; JohnnyZ; AmericanMade1776; bcbuster; Bluestateredman; CaptainK; cgk; ...
guliani-graph.jpg

Hmmm..... Who is the family values candidate? If he was a fraud then I think he would have more honeys. LOL!

60 posted on 03/19/2007 2:56:42 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Beagle8U
I don't mind anyone bringing up any issues, and especially don't care when people pump up their candidate or showcase their strong record on whatever issues.

I simply said that it feels to me that in this election cycle, more than any previously things are different. Candidates are eager to use the 'new media' and netroots and places like FR to their advantage, and things are starting to stink around here.

Not from any specific campaign (though the hunter people seem more overtly aggressive than others), but its all guessing, I certainly don't have hard proof. Plus I also know for a fact that libs are on here posting into the same chaotic mess to 'stir the pot'.

And again, its not about working your guy or his strenghts... its the tearing down (how many "rudy again, smoke nazi" posts will pissant post in a day?), the endless youtube of his SNL skits or photos in drag, the feeding of the "my way or highway" 3rd party guys that WILL lead to a Perot situation and us loosing... no doubt.

The thought of KOS kids teaming up with Freepers to take out Rudy, even if he happend to get the primary nod (and if they don't know they are working toegher) makes me queasy.

And even then... if its just by passionate people... then I can't really be upset about that. But when it gets into FR being part of the campaign machine, or at least I think it may be... thats just too far. I don't like being played.

At least thats what I was wondering... so I posted a vanity asking how others felt or if everyone though I was over reacting (surely "those people" can just be really really dedicated supporters acting on their own)... just seems to me a few are a little extra motivated than others.

Anyway, more than anything, the fact that the vanity was removed within 30 seconds of being posted has me more concerned than any other doubts or worries I had before.
61 posted on 03/19/2007 2:58:50 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: nowandlater

Are you kidding me? Is that chart real?


62 posted on 03/19/2007 2:58:52 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: hosepipe

Sorry hosepipe,

It is LIKELY Gop voters! The fact is that Romney's Dad, former Governor of Michigan was very popular and the Romney name will get you a good chunk of votes.


MRA Statewide GOP PRIMARY Poll - March 12-18 2007

LIKELY GOP PRIMARY VOTERS

392 SAMPLE - MARGIN OF ERROR +/-5.0%

[FREQUENCY REPORT of SURVEY RESPONSES]


63 posted on 03/19/2007 3:00:01 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: nowandlater

Michigan is a lib state. We will not win it. If McCain is the best they can do, what does that tell you?


64 posted on 03/19/2007 3:00:33 PM PDT by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: scottdeus12

Yes! LOL!


65 posted on 03/19/2007 3:00:44 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: scottdeus12

The top 5 Gop candidates have had 11 wives. Romney has had only one! LOL!


66 posted on 03/19/2007 3:01:43 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: M. Thatcher
Yeah right... I said I thought people were being paid to post on Freerepublic.

Asked how others felt about it or if they thought I was over-reacting.

If it was such a "crazy idea" then why not let it up and let everyone come see the crazy monkey in his cage and point out how stupid and absurd such an insane notion was.

Why must it be pulled down within 30 seconds... if it was so crazy? Especially considering it was clearly labeled VANITY in the post title and in the vanity category

Puhhlease.

If thats the case, then place is getting worse than digg with the burying.
67 posted on 03/19/2007 3:02:28 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: FreedomNeocon

I don't mind the heated discussions. There's a lot of pros and cons with each candidate to weigh out and the only place I find that kind of information are on these threads. Sure beats the heck out of repeated soundbites we get otherwise.

I can say with certainty, however, that if McCain is our candidate, the GOP can kiss my vote goodbye. There is absolutely no way I'll vote for him.


68 posted on 03/19/2007 3:06:18 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) "These lefties are terminally inebriated on dishonesty." The Nuge)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Perhaps if you had adduced some evidence,

and your little rant did not read like a barking moonbattery, it would still be there.

69 posted on 03/19/2007 3:11:30 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: FreedomNeocon

If I'm reading your post correctly, you are supporting Rudy Guiliani. Take heart in the knowledge that all the anti-Rudy SPAM is having the opposite effect. According to the two keepers of the Rudy ping lists, the list is growing.


70 posted on 03/19/2007 3:11:43 PM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Ladysmith
I must admit, if McStain gets the nod, I will need a drink before I head to the polls but he'll get my vote.

I just think back to last november and how "we" wanted to "teach the republicans a lesson", and what that lost us (the house, the senate, rumsfeld, bolton) and what it got us (poloci, murtha, reid, schumer), and I remember that it did nothing to advance conservatism.

I understand some others don't / won't feel that way, but I'm going to do my best that they at least remember November 2006.
71 posted on 03/19/2007 3:12:52 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: Wait4Truth
Anybody but McCain. or Rudie
72 posted on 03/19/2007 3:14:30 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: TAdams8591
Romney is NOT a fraud. I suggest you read up on him.

The more I read, the more ways I realize he's a total fraud.

When I go over Romney's LONG list of flip flops and pandering to this group or that I keep forgetting about him formerly bashing the NRA and then joining as a life member. It's just so hard to keep track of all of them.

How fake can a guy get? The limits are being tested!

73 posted on 03/19/2007 3:14:47 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: FreedomNeocon
"And again, its not about working your guy or his strenghts... its the tearing down (how many "rudy again, smoke nazi" posts will pissant post in a day?), the endless youtube of his SNL skits or photos in drag, the feeding of the "my way or highway" 3rd party guys that WILL lead to a Perot situation and us loosing... no doubt."

I have no problem with posting the negatives about candidates based on the issues. I don't think FR was intended to just be a place to advertise your chosen candidate without getting the conservative point of view in reply to them.

Rudy gets lots of heat here because he is a flaming liberal on the issues and this is a conservative news forum.

I personally don't want Rudy within 500 yards of the Republican platform. I hope he drops out long before the primaries or switches to the RAT party. Thats where he belongs.
74 posted on 03/19/2007 3:15:29 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: onyx
I am NOT supporting Rudy... I'd accept him, and I'll defend him against the personal attacks and endless drag photos around here.

I just don't want ANY of the candidates to become "unacceptable in the general election" versus the democrat.

Unless Joe Lieberman gets their nod (and even then its a stretch), we are far better with ANY of our guys, and that is my biggest concern.

I understand how it appears I am for Rudy, but its only because he is the one everyone is attacking since hes in the lead, but I'd do the same for any of the Candidates (though not as often for McStain, I always do say he should get your vote if he gets the nod)
75 posted on 03/19/2007 3:15:39 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: M. Thatcher
Perhaps if you had adduced some evidence, and your little rant did not read like a barking moonbattery, it would still be there.

Pardon me, I didn't know VANITY posts (clearly labeled and placed) had to be triple sourced.

So saying I didn't have proof and asking in the post how others felt and if I was over-reacting was not enough.... not enough to even close it... it has to be REMOVED within 30 seconds.

Sure...
76 posted on 03/19/2007 3:17:48 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: nowandlater
"Hmmm..... Who is the family values candidate? If he was a fraud then I think he would have more honeys. LOL!"

Hmmm.....that chart is meaningless. What does it have to do with fighting the WOT?
77 posted on 03/19/2007 3:17:59 PM PDT by Gop1040
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To: showme_the_Glory

Actually, I was leaning towards Rudy...now interested in Thompson if he gets in. He has stated now that McCain-Feingold has not worked so that helps. He says there needs to be full disclosure...we'll see what happens. It's pretty early for all this but it's impossible to resist reading everything about the candidates. McCain is the one I detest the most of all.


78 posted on 03/19/2007 3:20:28 PM PDT by Wait4Truth ("There is nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat!" - GWB)
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To: nowandlater

If only Rommney were a leader...


79 posted on 03/19/2007 3:21:17 PM PDT by Duke Nukum ('Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all/ Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.' --Yeats)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Yeah, you're right. There must have been another reason. You must have guessed the deep, dark, secret of this site, a secret that must never be uttered.

Tinfoil is obviously your default system.

80 posted on 03/19/2007 3:22:41 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: nowandlater

That's not real good news for Mitt. The Romneys are a strong political force in that State, the State in which he grew up . He should have come in first place.


81 posted on 03/19/2007 3:22:41 PM PDT by no dems (Herman Cain for VEEP in '08)
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To: indylindy
"Michigan is a lib state."

Michigan isn't a liberal state, it has a few liberal citys and a big union membership.

We have a "Shall Issue" CCW law

We banned queer marriage and partnerships

We banned Affirmative Action

Most of Michigan is very conservative.
82 posted on 03/19/2007 3:24:21 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: FreedomNeocon

GOOD, then you and I are posters of a like mind. I do not have a candidate yet, and I have refrained from knocking our candidates knowing that one will be our eventual nominee.

The SPAM here is a complete turn off and it's mostly posted by people who are supposedly supporting other candidates. The mere fact that they're not content to support thier choice and that they feel the need to slam his rivals, speaks volumes to me about how they think their choice is doing. :0)

I don't care who I have to vote for to keep the democrat out of the White House. I will vote for the GOP nominee regardless and once he's determined, I'll fight his detractors here.


83 posted on 03/19/2007 3:26:00 PM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: M. Thatcher
Thats right... I must be insane.

The hundreds of other posts I've made around here past few years were a fluke and I must have been drinking or something to ever think that a campaign might want to use a place like FreeRepulic to their advantage like at least one campaign is already openly admitting.

But you are right... to think there might be something shady, nay... to ask if anyone else thinks there might be something shady... is just the epitome of kookery, and even though VANITY deserved to be censored and removed within 30 seconds of posting.

Now please excuse me... its time for my medication.
84 posted on 03/19/2007 3:27:26 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: Beagle8U

I might believe you.

Why does it always go blue?

Unions and what?

Obviously, it always goes blue.

Pubbies only hope to win that state.

Inform me.


85 posted on 03/19/2007 3:28:11 PM PDT by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: FreedomNeocon
to think there might be something shady, nay... to ask if anyone else thinks there might be something shady... is just the epitome of kookery, and even though VANITY deserved to be censored and removed within 30 seconds of posting.

That about sums it up.

86 posted on 03/19/2007 3:28:55 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Yo-Yo

I grew up close to Michigan..North Ohio. Michigan has
changed...very few lucid indivduals..must be the water
in the Lakes...anyhow, all the Unions,etc. have been
going downhill...hence..Michiganders going same way.
So ignore polls, out of this land of Loonies..JK


87 posted on 03/19/2007 3:30:29 PM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: FreedomNeocon
(though the hunter people seem more overtly aggressive than others)

Really? My perception is the Rudy fans are most aggressive. Point out Rudy is a gun grabber and they come you from all angles.

88 posted on 03/19/2007 3:32:36 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: RabidBartender
I think the cross-dressing pictures of Rudy are overdone........

The pics may in fact be overexposed on FR, but they are significant because cross-dressing is very unusual behavior for a presidential candidate.

If Rudy cross-dressed once for sweet charity, it would be amusing. But one has to assume he kept doing it because he enjoyed it.

1) There was an appearance with Julie Andrews at a New York City Dinner

2) There was the SNL appearance.

3) There was another incident where he dressed in drag to do a comedy skit with Donald Trump (in which Trump buries his face in Rudy's fake bosoms).

4) Rudy actually offered to dress in drag for Showtime's Homosexual porn show, "Queer as Folk" (a show which promotes pedophilia)

5) Besides his famous pink gown and Marilyn Monroe wig, Rudy also dressed in drag to appear in a chorus line.

89 posted on 03/19/2007 3:33:07 PM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

I agree your vanity thread should have stood.

I think it is worth discussing.


90 posted on 03/19/2007 3:36:35 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar
Well he is, so I don't know why you'd get that reaction.

He has softened his abortion stance to at least say he'd throw it back to the states (where he would be pro-abortion), but the gun problem is his weakest non-defensable issue at this point and I certainly can see rubbing alot the wrong way.

Its not pointing things like that I'm speaking about... its the posts that attack him personally, and never even mention another republican candidate that is different, or the democrats that are the same. The ones that just tear down... I am highly suspicious of them, both in motive and eventual effectiveness.

Thats what my VANITY was about... asking what everyone else thought, were we being exploited, was FR being played, are people being paid, what about the libs that are on here feeding poison pills to wherever they are most concerned (or all around hiding amidts the 'passionate' sides, leaving a turd here and there just to stink up the place)

Apparently it was so TABOO it was literally removed in less than a minute.
91 posted on 03/19/2007 3:46:15 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: indylindy
"Obviously, it always goes blue."

It does only in races that are statewide and in some cases not even those.

Until 06 Republicans controlled the state Congress and Senate, AG and Sec of State.

The Rats now have control of the House and Governor, thats it.

Remove Detroit and Michigan is as conservative as Utah.

Last year my district booted a RINO Congressman ( Joe Schwartz, who was McCain's 2000 MI campaign Mgr) and sent likely the most conservative Republican now in Washington to replace him.

Jackson, Mi. is the birthplace of the Republican party.

Hillsdale college is rated as the most conservative in the nation.
92 posted on 03/19/2007 3:54:30 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Thats what my VANITY was about... asking what everyone else thought, were we being exploited, was FR being played, are people being paid, what about the libs that are on here feeding poison pills to wherever they are most concerned (or all around hiding amidts the 'passionate' sides, leaving a turd here and there just to stink up the place) Apparently it was so TABOO it was literally removed in less than a minute.

Repost it in the Smoky Back Room, or ask Mod to see if that would be more to his/her taste. I think it is worthy of discussion, even if some think the post was tin-foilish.

93 posted on 03/19/2007 3:57:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: nowandlater

Since Romney's father was governor of Michigan, third place isn't exactly a great show of support.


94 posted on 03/19/2007 3:57:50 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: FreedomNeocon

Or don't. No reason for a suspension.


95 posted on 03/19/2007 4:01:18 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: nowandlater
The top 5 Gop candidates have had 11 wives.

I have been reading about Henry VIII. He only had six wives. And only beheaded three of them.

96 posted on 03/19/2007 4:02:44 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Jet Jaguar
Heh, no I won't do that anyway, but thanks for the kind words.

I got banned once... I was trying to post Iraq news in the news section, but it was technically coming form blogs (iraqi and milblogs) and kept getting removed for being the in the wrong section.

One time, I just hit back and posted again... that was it. BAM... banned. And I do believe I deserved it... intentionally posting out of section like that was pushing the line. I just felt so angry the MSM wasn't reporting that news, and didn't understand why it had to be CNN or ABC to go in the 'news' section. Still thats no excuse.

I was able to do some PM'ing and got my account restored (I'm attached to the nick) and I don't want to blow it again.

Someone felt it had to go, and felt about it strongly enough to do it faster than I've ever seen done, so I'll take that as a hint. Valid or otherwise... they run the show here.
97 posted on 03/19/2007 4:05:32 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: FreedomNeocon
I'll defend him against the personal attacks and endless drag photos around here.

Activism becomes a little joyless when you are reduced to defending transvestites for president.

You should work on your sense of humor.
98 posted on 03/19/2007 4:10:13 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: FreedomNeocon

LOL! Hit back and it posted again! I do that weekly!



Nodding.


99 posted on 03/19/2007 4:10:35 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: zook; TitansAFC; therut; zbigreddogz; Laissez-faire capitalist; areafiftyone; PhilCollins
The McCain List.
Common sense conservatism


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100 posted on 03/19/2007 4:15:43 PM PDT by Norman Bates (The McCain List - Freepmail me to get on!)
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