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Well sure, it's a bad thing, and Reagan started it, but maybe someone can help me.

OK, it's about all branches, but mostly the President is around Marines in his daily activities.

I never met a President, but my recollection is that when I'm in uniform any senior officer, even if civilian clothing, is due the respect of a salute.

Am I forgetting something here?

No disrespect intended for Ike or any or Reagan's predecessors.

1 posted on 03/27/2007 4:43:40 PM PDT by SJackson
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SALUTE BY FORMER/RETIRED Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, etc.--CIVILAN ATTITE/COVERED/UNCOVERED, ETC.

http://gunnyg.blogspot.com/2006_03_28_gunnyg_archive.html
http://gunnyg.blogspot.com/2006_03_28_gunnyg_archive.html


35 posted on 03/27/2007 5:03:50 PM PDT by gunnyg
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On his last day in DC, President Ford shook my hand and saluted me. I was just a Sgt. He was my Commander in Chief and I was proud to report to him.
36 posted on 03/27/2007 5:04:02 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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Wills has a tendency to be a total jagoff.


40 posted on 03/27/2007 5:06:02 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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This is just so Hillary won't have to SALUTE!! Can you IMAGINE the RIDICULE when she salutes that servicemember?? LOL!!! What a FRAUD!


41 posted on 03/27/2007 5:06:12 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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The dynamics are different, and to blend them is to undermine the basic principles of our Constitution."

Well, it is important to remember that the Constitution is a living, breathing document which morphs over time to reflect the chic political correctness of the day. It is now a post-9/11 world and naturally there is an "increasing militarization of U.S. politics" wherein the "citizenry at large is now thought of as under military discipline."

Similarly, "the executive branch takes actions in secret, unaccountable to the electorate, to hides its moves from the enemy and protect national secrets." Again, the living, breathing Constitution of today accepts this reality in a post-9/11 world....

LMAO!!! Since when do scumbag liberals like Wills and Zweifel care about the Constitution?
(It's so easy to rub their own foul hypocrisy right back in their faces.)

42 posted on 03/27/2007 5:08:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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And for those who may find fault w/the capitalization of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, etc., as well as Marines--please see the link by Col "Sully" at bottom of the GyG site linked below...

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/soldier.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/soldier.html


44 posted on 03/27/2007 5:10:11 PM PDT by gunnyg
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Was this guy Wills in gaza when the cess pool overflowed.

Just asking , He is so full of raw sewage, AKA S---, that I figured he swallowed a full load.


45 posted on 03/27/2007 5:17:49 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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Wills recalled how he cringed back in 1973 when Richard Nixon's chief of staff, Al Haig, tried to justify Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre" firings because the attorney general and deputy attorney general had refused an order from their "commander in chief."

With all respect, Gen. Haig, when the Pres. issues a management diretive to a civilian, it is not a military matter.

And history will prove I am right, because Elliot Richardson was not Court Martialed for refusing to fire Archibald Cox.

47 posted on 03/27/2007 5:22:21 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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It's pretty simple, the President is the commander and chief of the armed forces, service men and women salute their superiors, so the president when he/she salutes is just returning the sign of respect. Whether it has historical precedent doesn't matter, it is appropriate.
52 posted on 03/27/2007 5:34:09 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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"No presidents before had returned those salutes, not even Dwight D. Eisenhower, who just seven years before he took office had been a five-star Army general."

Really? How about when President George Washington took direct command of the Militias of Pennsylvania and Virginia during the Whiskey Rebellion. He once again wore his Revolutionary War Lt. General's uniform, with his officers sword and took and returned the salutes of the Army and Militia forces around him? I know, the "historians' will either say it did not happen in the last 50 years - so it does not count; or that everyone knows we make exceptions for George Washington; or that George Washington never descended a helicopter ramp with attending Marines, never descended on a ramp from Air Force One with attending Airmen, etc.

They can always find a reason that the saluting CinC makes them uncomfortable - they just don't have any history to back them up...

dvwjr

55 posted on 03/27/2007 5:52:06 PM PDT by dvwjr
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Check your Constitution. The president is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. He may be a civilian, but he's at the top of the military chain of command. He's directly in authority over everyone serving in the military. It is an unusual position for a civilian to hold, but there you have it.

I am in favor of the president saluting. It may be unusual for a man who is not in the military to salute; it is also, in my humble opinion, odd for a man to be saluted and yet unable to return that salute. It all comes back again to our Founders' decision to put a civilian over the military.


62 posted on 03/27/2007 6:13:58 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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Well why is lefty Wills complaining. He is an avid gun grabber. I mean he thinks ONLY the military and police should own firearms. Where does his lefty brain think that will lead. No civilian ownership but only STATE ownership. Now he grips about a salute.


63 posted on 03/27/2007 6:17:51 PM PDT by therut
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Whiny ass libs are against anything that shows any sign of respect for the military.
64 posted on 03/27/2007 6:18:29 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Heus, hic nos omnes in agmine sunt! Deo volente rivoque non adsurgente)
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Wills is really quite boring on this subject.

Boy scouts salute. Sea Scouts salute. Girl Scouts salute.

Martial Arts practioners bow.

It is called "returning respect".


65 posted on 03/27/2007 6:18:40 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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I never met a President, but my recollection is that when I'm in uniform any senior officer, even if civilian clothing, is due the respect of a salute.


66 posted on 03/27/2007 7:07:33 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (n)
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Wills is just pissed that the US (Reagan) won the cold war. Such a shame his beloved comrades from the Soviet Union went down the tubes thanks to the great Ronald Wilson Reagan.


68 posted on 03/27/2007 7:29:01 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("Salvation is not free")
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I salute officers. If an officer fails to return my salute I will respectfully point out that I have shown proper military courtesy and ask the officer to return the courtesy.

Maybe the problem is that President Reagan had good manners.


70 posted on 03/27/2007 7:36:33 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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71 posted on 03/27/2007 7:36:59 PM PDT by PackerBronco
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To all DIMWITS - I'll speak slowly so you can follow along .. The President .. is .. the .. COMMANDER .. IN .. CHIEF! He .. has .. a .. right .. to .. RETURN .. his .. officer's .. SALUTE.

I'm so sick of these people - why do they have to make life such HELL ..??


73 posted on 03/27/2007 7:49:03 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("... first time in history the U.S. House has attempted to surrender via C-SPAN TV ...")
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The President may salute or not as he or she pleases. So may any civilian should he or she choose to do so. There's nothing magical or sacrosanct about the gesture. For veterans it's almost a conditioned reflex, and for some of us who wish to be punctilious about it the old military rules tend to be hard to break. Most Navy or ex-Navy personnel find it difficult to salute without a cover. Army or ex-Army personnel do not. And there's always the hand or cap over the heart if there's any doubt in the matter.

There is very definitely a Hillary issue here - Camille Paglia wrote a column around it, the gist of which is that she's taking saluting lessons because she's a woman who wants to take a man's route to power (yes, I know, a familiar and tedious feminist train of thought) and hence will ape men's gestures to do so. Hatshepsut wore a fake beard. For some progressive commentators this passes for profundity.

75 posted on 03/27/2007 8:09:30 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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