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One of 10 draftees still in Army retires
Charleston Daily Mail ^ | today | staff

Posted on 03/29/2007 3:05:36 PM PDT by Rodney King

One of 10 draftees still in Army retires by By The Associated Press Print Story Email Story FORT BLISS, Texas -- Robert Rangel was a college student trying to "fly below the radar" when his draft number came up in 1967.

"I got caught," he said with a wide smile.

Caught, as it turns out, for 40 years.

Chief Warrant Officer Rangel was one of just 10 draftees still in the Army when he retired Wednesday, according to Fort Bliss officials. It was unclear whether the other draftees have served as long as Rangel; the draft ended in 1973.

Rangel, of El Paso, said the prospect of being drafted was terrifying after watching numerous friends "coming home in coffins."

But he opted to stay well beyond the required two-year hitch because "I started enjoying my job and the people I worked with."

He's been deployed to nine combat zones, from Vietnam to the Persian Gulf. Maj. Gen. Robert Lennox, the Fort Bliss commanding general, described Rangel as the "foremost expert" on air defense systems at the West Texas post, the current home of the Air Defense Artillery Center.

Michael Zaborowski, a retired lieutenant colonel who has known Rangel for more than a decade, said he has long been impressed by his dedication. "I did 20 years and I thought that was a lot," he said.

Rangel retired a few months before his 62nd birthday, when he would have been forced to do so under Army regulations.

His mother, who attended his retirement ceremony, was relieved the day had finally come. "That was a long time that I worried," Adelina Rangel said softly.

Rangel's years in the Army included more than 200 parachute jumps with a special forces unit in Vietnam and Cambodia, time in battle zones, a firsthand view of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and a tour in the first Gulf War.

Now his priority is to take care of his mom and tackle some projects.

Tops on the list is restoring a 1964 Plymouth Sport Fury. He parked it in his mom's barn when he went off to basic training.


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To: YellowRoseofTx

It means you've been commissioned an Officer, usually 2LT. (01)


51 posted on 03/29/2007 3:44:21 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Repeal The 17th

I was good ole # 33 .Me and Rolling rock, perfect together!


52 posted on 03/29/2007 3:44:34 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: lesser_satan
A Warrant Officer isn't really an officer in the same sense as a Lieutenant, Captain, Major, or Colonel.

IIRC: In the Navy (Late 60's) there was a path from WO-2 to O-1 but not after that. Then they wanted you to go on PBRs.

53 posted on 03/29/2007 3:44:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You could have volunteered for the draft, right?


54 posted on 03/29/2007 3:45:41 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: U S Army EOD

I once saw a SMA dressdown an O-7 General for him cutting some troops to the front of the line because he needed a tent put up while my unit had a hot mission on-going for the past 20 hours, first time I had ever seen that, gave me even more respect for Sergeant Majors. As far as a CWO's go I always was respectful and treated them like an officer.


55 posted on 03/29/2007 3:45:58 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Rodney King; SandRat; Fiddlstix; Centurion2000; Millee; carlr; PaulaB; Maximus of Texas; EX52D; ...
Re: He's about on par with a Major / Lt Colonel ... he just does not have a commision and is not in the officer chain of command. Think of him as a Master Plumber, Master Electrician or master machinist.

Gadzooks, it never ceases to amaze me how little people know about our military. I've come to realize the Liberal Media does even try to know anything other than their evil spew of lies, half-truths and outright lies...

During the first Gulf War I watched Wolfie Blitzer (Only CNN available then...) identify an F-15 Eagle taking off as an F-16. The F-15 has twin tails, the F-16 a single... Yet Wolfie didn't need to know the correct facts, he was on television! CNN and their traitorous media comrades still effect this policy...

Even with the internet allowing a few quick clicks to find almost any answer to any question, we still have people who should know better... Yet they still manage to ask the most asinine questions!

I know I am old fart, old school Conservative, Good Republican Texan and know more than anyone has a right to know about many fully automatic weapons, the military, contemporary history and the difference in taste of many brands of beers and cigarettes...

However, I shall jump off the soapbox and keep my big fat, loud mouth closed...

For about two or three minutes!

Don't believe him... He's just bluffing!

Yeah, and he's... a mean drunk!
56 posted on 03/29/2007 3:47:00 PM PDT by Bender2 (If God hadn't wanted machineguns... He would have never made all those armadillos!)
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To: YellowRoseofTx
does commissioned mean college?

You need to have completed a 4 year degree to be eligible to become a commissioned officer (but there are always exceptions!)

57 posted on 03/29/2007 3:47:56 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Gay State Conservative

Belkieve it or not, a good buddy of mine did the exact same thing as you while we were half-way through basic training at Ft. Polk.


58 posted on 03/29/2007 3:48:01 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: aft_lizard

That's was one weak O7. I hope he didn't make two stars.


59 posted on 03/29/2007 3:49:55 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: geo40xyz

I've been an Electronic Tech since '72..The Radar I worked on was all tube except a 300 volt PS that used 4 diodes in a bridge for the locale oscilator,,those were the days,,don't know electron flow unless you know tube theory and to me thats a fact,,just retired from the Fed Govt. in '04 at FT Rucker (Army Aviation Center),know that CW 5's exist..I believe pilots need prior college to be accepted,not in the area I was in..


60 posted on 03/29/2007 3:50:29 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: leadpenny

"You could have volunteered for the draft, right?"
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You don't "volunteer for the draft".
You just volunteer.


61 posted on 03/29/2007 3:50:34 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Repeal The 17th

I served with guys who volunteered for the draft. They had a "US" serial number and served two years like the rest of the draftees.


62 posted on 03/29/2007 3:52:57 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Repeal The 17th
Here's a blast from the past that always pisses ME off ...

President Gerald Ford announces amnesty for draft evaders
at the White House, Washington, D.C. 1974
63 posted on 03/29/2007 3:55:47 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Repeal The 17th

"You could have volunteered for the draft, right?"


I don't think you know how funny that statement is,,brought a smile to my face.


64 posted on 03/29/2007 3:56:08 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
You need to have completed a 4 year degree to be eligible to become a commissioned officer (but there are always exceptions!)

Exceptions like OCS (Army OCS,at least).In '69 while in BCT they tried to convince me to apply to OCS.My reply was "Go f**k yourself.....Sir".

I had just finished high school when I joined and had never set foot in a college.Of course things may have changed since then.

65 posted on 03/29/2007 3:56:12 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: fish hawk

You need to read all the post before you reply. When I was in the Army there were only 4 grades of Warrent. I have been notified from several sources that there is now a W0-5. I have already acknowledged this and appologized. It helps to keep up with regs and new ranks, which I haven't done. Thanks anyway.


66 posted on 03/29/2007 3:57:09 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Repeal The 17th
I had four guys in my Basic Training squad who were 2 year volunteers, of course this was in 1958..
67 posted on 03/29/2007 3:57:33 PM PDT by geo40xyz (218->121 democRAT's 'OWN DEFEAT' and blood of American soldiers in Iraq will be on their hands)
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To: leadpenny

I stand corrected,,never heard of it,,could they pick their MOS or were they assigned one??


68 posted on 03/29/2007 3:58:07 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: leadpenny

They "volunteered" for the draft????
How did they do that????
Did they travel back in time and change their birthdates
to correspond to a lower numbered ping-pong ball????

NO.
They just "volunteered".
They DID NOT "volunteer for the draft".


69 posted on 03/29/2007 3:59:23 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: silentreignofheroes

You obviously didn't serve back then, but yes it is oxymoronic. (don't think that's a word)

If you enlisted it was a minimum of three years AD. By volunteering for the draft (starting with your local draft board) you served two.


70 posted on 03/29/2007 3:59:36 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: All
Just in case any one wants to know about the Australian rank structure...



I told you... he was a mean drunk!
71 posted on 03/29/2007 4:00:20 PM PDT by Bender2 (If God hadn't wanted machineguns... He would have never made all those armadillos!)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Not a smile but a snicker. I think the guy is arguing semantics.


72 posted on 03/29/2007 4:01:09 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Repeal The 17th

The ping pong ball were used only during the lottery years. (69-71 I believe.)


73 posted on 03/29/2007 4:01:22 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

THAT WOULD BE ME !


74 posted on 03/29/2007 4:02:21 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Gay State Conservative
In '69 while in BCT they tried to convince me to apply to OCS.My reply was "Go f**k yourself.....Sir".

Ha! Good thing you included the "Sir"! When I was in the USAF in the 90's, they were RIFing officers right and left, so the requirements were a little more strict.

75 posted on 03/29/2007 4:03:19 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Bender2

You know, I had just asked my wife about the rank structure of the Australian Defence Forces when I saw your post . . . . .


76 posted on 03/29/2007 4:03:39 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: leadpenny

Lets cut this out and have a beer.


77 posted on 03/29/2007 4:05:55 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Ok, thank you


78 posted on 03/29/2007 4:06:12 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: silentreignofheroes

If you only agreed to the two years you took what they gave you based on your test scores. CWO Rangel could just have easily volunteered for the draft and once he saw the opportunities and his apptitude test scores he then could opt for a longer school and a better MOS. If I were able to talk to him I know exactly how he did what he did. At the time you needed a GT score of 120 to go to flight school and 115 for OCS.


79 posted on 03/29/2007 4:06:56 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Yep, raptist-clinton years:-() Military people of ALL ranks we being kick-out of Service for little or no reason other than to meet headcount numbers.
80 posted on 03/29/2007 4:07:07 PM PDT by geo40xyz (218->121 democRAT's 'OWN DEFEAT' and blood of American soldiers in Iraq will be on their hands)
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To: leadpenny

Well I wasnt privy to every word but when I heard the General say "they are needed to put a tent up for me" the SMA just flipped, "are you f'ng kidding me sir, these mean have been doing flips the last 20 hours and have 20 more to go......"


81 posted on 03/29/2007 4:07:16 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Rodney King
Check out:

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/bl05warrantsalary.htm

They don't do too bad.

82 posted on 03/29/2007 4:08:59 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (vobns.blogspot.com)
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To: geo40xyz; Rodney King

Well, the Warrant Officers I know think they are God, so I guess he would be Chief God.

(Just kidding, WO's)


83 posted on 03/29/2007 4:09:40 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter-Thompson '08)
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To: All
Large scan of Marine Corps Enlisted Ranks Here

Larger scan of Marine Warrant & Commissioned Officer Ranks Here
84 posted on 03/29/2007 4:09:42 PM PDT by Bender2 (If God hadn't wanted machineguns... He would have never made all those armadillos!)
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To: VoiceOfBruck

wow. No idea you could make that much $$$ if you were not an admiral.


85 posted on 03/29/2007 4:10:37 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: aft_lizard

LOL, ya beat me!


86 posted on 03/29/2007 4:11:16 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter-Thompson '08)
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To: TexasNative2000
You know, I had just asked my wife about the rank structure of the Australian Defence Forces when I saw your post . . . . .

Thanks... Now, how's bout a beer? You buying?
87 posted on 03/29/2007 4:12:03 PM PDT by Bender2 (If God hadn't wanted machineguns... He would have never made all those armadillos!)
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To: Rodney King

Actually those charts are a little outdated too.

You don't get much pay in the lower ranks, but you do pretty well when (if) you move up.


88 posted on 03/29/2007 4:12:21 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (vobns.blogspot.com)
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To: silentreignofheroes
Would like to see that Plymouth..?

I bet it started right up, too!

89 posted on 03/29/2007 4:12:55 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter-Thompson '08)
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To: YellowRoseofTx
I just have one more question, and I'm sorry if it sounds stupid, but....does commissioned mean college?

Well for commisioned officers ... 4 year degree requirement for all branches.

Warrant officers need 60 hours credit or something like that as of the 90's (last time I looked into it).

Higher level enlisteds in leadership positions are called Non-commisioned officers.

The commision is like a contract from the government granting the rank and detailing broad duties. Warrants are similar but more for technical skills.

Helicopter pilots are generally warrant officers in the army. Almost all helo pilots in the Marines are commissioned officers however.

90 posted on 03/29/2007 4:13:29 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Democrats in Republican Clothing ... DIRC ... They are the knives in the back of the GOP.)
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Believe it or not wikipedia has some good articles explaining the differences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_Officer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioned_officer

Warrants apparently derive from English Naval Rank.

91 posted on 03/29/2007 4:15:11 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Democrats in Republican Clothing ... DIRC ... They are the knives in the back of the GOP.)
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To: Centurion2000

I'm sorry, instead of "title" I meant ranks but couldn't think of it when I posted.


92 posted on 03/29/2007 4:16:24 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Centurion2000
Believe it or not wikipedia has some good articles explaining the differences.

Thanks, I'll check them out. I appreciate the explanation. My dad was in the army in WW11, but would never talk about it with us girls.
93 posted on 03/29/2007 4:20:47 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: All
As far as I know Non-commissioned Officers do not have commissions. Warrant Officer have a warrant of their rank. Commissioned Officers have commissions signed by the President...

It is about to rain here, big booming thunder some 56 miles south of Big D...

Yep, that cow is about to do it to that flat rock!

Ciao...

94 posted on 03/29/2007 4:22:49 PM PDT by Bender2 (If God hadn't wanted machineguns... He would have never made all those armadillos!)
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To: leadpenny

You obviously didn't serve back then,

Kiss my lily white butt,RA '71-'79..Dip Stick...!


95 posted on 03/29/2007 4:26:40 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: digger48

That's the first thing I noticed.


96 posted on 03/29/2007 4:26:59 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Gum Shoe

When I was in the Marine Corps, Warrant Officers were generally addressed as either "Gunner" or "Mister". They were definitely called "sir".

When I was in the Army, I don't recall ever hearing anyone call a Warrant Officer "sir".


97 posted on 03/29/2007 4:30:00 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Centurion2000
I don't know if it's changed but it used to be in the Army people could get a commission without a four year degree. Some colleges had two year commissioning programs. The downside was for the most part they couldn't move above 0-4 ( Major ) without completing their BS/BA. Now that's almost still the case with a four year degree. To move up above 0-4, most officers have to be at least working on a post grad degree.
98 posted on 03/29/2007 4:32:52 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Heh...they were still teaching vacuum tube theory at NAS Memphis in 1974 when I went through there..


99 posted on 03/29/2007 4:32:59 PM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: chesty_puller; Rodney King
"A Warrant Officer is neither flesh, nor fowl, nor good red meat."

"An officer in a free uniform."
An officer who doesn't need a tailor...
cannot afford a tailor,
badly tailored officer, etc. etc.

"An Army Pilot"

"A soldier allowed into the Officer's Club."

A man who knows too much to be an officer, but not enough to be a Master Sergeant."

"An expert on something that embarrasses the rest of the Army."

100 posted on 03/29/2007 4:33:27 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hillary: A sociopath's enabler in the White House?)
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