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White House floats more conservative immigration plan
Associated Press ^ | 3/29/2007 | SUZANNE GAMBOA

Posted on 03/29/2007 5:12:09 PM PDT by Dubya

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To: Dubya

The anchor baby clause of the 14th amendment needs to be repealed before any work visas are handed out.


41 posted on 03/30/2007 12:38:29 PM PDT by CATravelAgent (Unless you're the lead dog, the view is always the same)
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To: Dubya
Dubya doesn't get it. He never will get it. Nor will the Dems who are pushing this or the RINOs in the Republican ranks.

NO AMENSTY. NO "GUEST WORKERS".

Illegal invaders should be denied jobs and benefits and most of them will leave. If they are apprehended, they should be deported.

If we need more immigrants, raise the immigration quotas across the board for LEGAL immigrants and give ALL nations a crack at the American Dream - we don't owe Mexico anything - not one tortilla. The ruling class there created a mess by monopolizing wealth and power in the hands of the few and they should have to deal with the consequences - not us.

Dubya doesn't get it.

42 posted on 03/30/2007 12:41:03 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Dubya
"The plan also tries to make border security a priority....."

I love it. Once again this makes GWB's WOT a complete farce.
These people should retire now and start their second career on Comedy Central.

Yea, let's TTTTRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYY to make our borders secure.

43 posted on 03/30/2007 12:48:11 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Owen

Yeah sure.

Pssst! I got a hot stock you should sink all your assets and your life savings into!

No Really!

Trust me! /hype


44 posted on 03/30/2007 1:00:41 PM PDT by Hostage (I'm a Fredhead and I vote!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I have something to float by the White House, the look like Baby Ruth candy bars.


45 posted on 03/30/2007 1:03:03 PM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: Moonman62
The current law isn't enforced. How are they going to enforce the new ones?

Simple enough. They don't plan to.
46 posted on 03/30/2007 1:10:30 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dubya

Well, let's float this...NO Amnesty.


47 posted on 03/30/2007 1:19:09 PM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: Dubya

Build the wall !!!


48 posted on 03/30/2007 1:20:16 PM PDT by airborne (Freedom is worth fighting for !! And I'm in a fighting mood !! HUNTER 2008 !)
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To: Moonman62
More likely is that W thinks we little people are stupid.

You bet, they only need to fool enough conservatives into thinking they're moving to the right just long enough to get their scam into conference committee where Bush and Kennedy can then write the bill they really want.

49 posted on 03/30/2007 2:24:42 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Owen
But if you don't believe any law will ever take effect, there is no point in having any interest in new legislation.

We don't need any new legislation, that's the whole point. They just need to enforce the current laws but since that's not going to happen it is insulting to everyone's intelligence that they're now pretending that if we only give them their amnesty this time they really really will in the future. Where have we heard that one before?

50 posted on 03/30/2007 2:28:54 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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You mean the one that read: "Guest worker shall be the legal description. Using 'undocumented immigrant' and other terms is a violation and the violator will be subject to fines of not more than $10,000 and imprisonment of not less that five eleven to twelve years" won't be submitted to Congress?
51 posted on 03/30/2007 3:04:50 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

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They just need to enforce the current laws but since that's not going to happen it is insulting to everyone's intelligence that they're now pretending that if we only give them their amnesty this time they really really will in the future. Where have we heard that one before?
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So you are one of those that does not believe any laws will be enforced. Period. Full stop. No caveats. No moderation. Your hardline position is that you do not believe any immigration laws will be enforced.

You therefore should have no interest in new legislation, regardless of what it says.

If you DO believe laws will be enforced, then you must begin from that position in evaluating anything new that is proposed.

You can't have this both ways. Either you believe laws will be enforced, or you don't. There is no middle ground here.


52 posted on 03/30/2007 3:13:57 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen

Actually, #1 might be an effective compromise, though something tells me it'll disappear in committee. Is there anything in this bill about employers? The last amnesty bill was really amnesty for crooked US employers, though there wasn't much note of that in the press.


53 posted on 03/30/2007 3:14:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I agree, somewhat. The proposal is worth evaluating.

The folks here taking the position that no proposal whatsoever can be evaluated because no laws will ever be enforced are in an inconsistent position and they need to resolve it. They either believe laws will be enforced, or they do not.

If not, then they should have nothing to say about new legislation beyond a statement of disinterest since new legislation will never go into effect.

If they DO think laws will be enforced, then they are obligated to discuss and offer modification to what looks to me to be a solid approach to punishing people who have committed a crime. There is nothing in this proposal that relaxes current laws for anyone who does not register in the system.


54 posted on 03/30/2007 3:19:45 PM PDT by Owen
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To: CATravelAgent
The anchor baby clause of the 14th amendment needs to be repealed before any work visas are handed out.

You got that right. Any candidate who has not addressed that is not serious about immigration reform. And that leaves most of 'em out.

20 million guest workers with jackpot babies. Woohoo!! They are NEVER going home. Don't forget chain migration, the can bring in then entire clan.

55 posted on 03/30/2007 3:21:43 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Dubya
The undocumented workers would have legal status with the visas, but to get a green card, making them legal permanent residents, they'd have to return to their home country, apply at a U.S. embassy or consulate to re-enter legally and pay a $10,000 fine.

AP doesn't mention if the plan would require that they wait in the quota line when applying for a green card.

56 posted on 03/30/2007 3:24:49 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: CATravelAgent
The anchor baby clause of the 14th amendment needs to be repealed before any work visas are handed out.

Not sure the 14th amendment says what you think it says.

57 posted on 03/30/2007 3:26:05 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Anyonw who believed Bush's Fence is a fool!

Anybody who didn't vote for the 25 pro-fence seats we previously held in the house is a fool.

58 posted on 03/30/2007 3:29:25 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Owen
So you are one of those that does not believe any laws will be enforced.

You're right, I don't. And until they make an honest, consistent effort to enforce the laws and where it isn't done with any political motivation as is currently the case then I hope no one else does either.

59 posted on 03/30/2007 3:30:17 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Owen; Reaganwuzthebest
You can't have this both ways. Either you believe laws will be enforced, or you don't. There is no middle ground here.

No one who has been paying attention to the Bush administration should believe a new immigration law will be enforced.

Enforce the current law (it's the President's constitutional duty), and then ask us to believe you'll enforce a new immigration law. And, as a good faith gesture, how about seeing that the 700-mile fence that we've been promised is actually funded and built??

60 posted on 03/30/2007 3:53:37 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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