Posted on 04/01/2007 4:02:03 PM PDT by Nachum
Along with a lot of other trash on some of the backstabbers who gained power. Wonder what other tidbits about the left in Israel will come out.
By any reasonable definition, the Irgun was a terrorist group. I see nothing wrong with him ratting out terrorists.
This is the same mentality of the left-wing Jews in the US Congress, they will sell us out for their left-wing agenda. They worship liberalism, socialism or communism. G-d don't exist for many of them. Joe Lieberman, a religious man, domestically maybe liberal but he hasn't sold us out like some of my co-religionists he is unpopular with.
Ann Coulter was right in saying the Church of Liberalism or Socialism.
Tired of those JINOS in Congress, College Campuses and Hollywood.
Lotsa people informed on Begin 1945-47. I'm not surprised that Kolleck was one.
The first widely known acts of the Sons took place on August 14, 1765, when an effigy of Andrew Oliver (who was to be commissioned Distributor of Stamps for Massachusetts) was found hanging in a tree on Newbury street, ... The sheriffs were told to remove the display but protested in fear of their lives, for a large crowd had formed at the scene. Before the evening a mob burned Oliver's property on Kilby street, then moved on to his house. There they beheaded the effigy and stoned the house as its occupants looked out in horror. ... then under cover of darkness, ransacked Oliver's abandoned home until midnight. On that evening it became very clear who ruled Boston. The British Militia, the Sheriffs and Justices, kept a low profile. No one dared respond to such violent force.By the end of that year the Sons of Liberty existed in every colony. Their most popular objective was to force Stamp Distributors throughout the colonies to resign. The groups also applied pressure to any Merchants who did not comply with the non-importation associations. Wherever these groups existed they were either directed in secret by leading men in the community or actually lead by them. ...
... Nearly every newspaper in the colonies carried daily reports of the activities of the Sons. Accounts of the most dramatic escapades spread throughout the colonies.
In the early months of 1766 there was such chaos that many of the royal governors had gone into hiding.
When three Irgun members were hanged by the British for specific criminal acts they had committed, the Irgun kidnapped and hanged three random British soldiers in retaliation.
I find it difficult to see any criteria for the definition of a terrorist organization that would include the IRA and today's insurgents in Iraq but exclude the Irgun. Except the classic criterion that nobody on "my side" can be a terrorist.
BTW, the Sons of Liberty killed few, if any, people.
And how many did the Irgun kill?
They're very defensive. God forbid they should ever go to a pro baseball game and listen to the fans heckling the players. Why it would make them break out their submachine guns and spray the crowd while crying.
doesn't particularly surprise me. Underground movements generally spend a lot of time jockeying for position among themselves, with an eye toward the day when they eventually take power. It also wouldn't surprise me if the other factions(s) were playing the same game. It's the nature of the beast.
On December 31, 1947 the Irgun claimed to have killed 347 British and Arabs that year.
Do you have a source for that number?
Kollek was Labor?
Politics as a career generally attracts weasels. It's that simple. To me, the stature of just about any position one can hold in politics is significantly less than pretty much anything else one can do to make an honest living. Regarding US political positions, you don't have to be exceptionally bright to be a Senator, Congressperson, or even President. You do have to be driven, and unfortunately, many of these people are driven either by a huge ego, greed, or a Messiah complex.
It is possible I'm misunderstanding this passage, but Israel's first PM was David BenGurion. As for the main issue, it will shock anyone who's under the impression that Israel was founded by Smurfs.
Yeah. But I'm not too happy with it.
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2006/0605014.html
I'm aware the WRMEA is hardly an unbiased source, and I view their statements with appropriate skepticism. I tried to find a confirming relatively unbiased source, but it seems that very few people are interested in documenting what actually happened in 1947/48, while a great many on all sides are interested in using selective "facts" from the period to promote their own agendas. There are very few "unbiased sources" out there. The list of incidents on the wrmea page during the year gives some credibility to their claim.
It appears to be accepted as a fact, however, that Jewish terrorists associated with Irgun assassinated both Lord Moyne and Count Bernadotte at about this time.
The Zionist left cooperated with British and even went so far as to use artillary against members of the Irgun.
The Irgun Zvi Leumi/Etzel, the National Military Organization, was no more a terrorist group than the Hagganah. The only difference is that it was run by Revisionist Zionists instead of Socialist Zionists.
Agreed. On page 74 of the work "Israel's Secret Wars," the author Benny Morris points out that Kolleck began helping the British after Ingrun began blowing away British civillians such as Lord Moyne. Sorry, these were terrorists who deserved to be ratted out.
They were no more terrorists than the IRA.
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