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Giuliani: Consider More Offshore Oil
Forbes ^ | April 4, 2007 | BRENDAN FARRINGTON/AP

Posted on 04/04/2007 6:11:50 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday said everything has to be considered if the United States wants to break its reliance on foreign oil, including more drilling off Florida's coast.

Calling the energy supply a major domestic problem, Giuliani said the nation needs to focus on nuclear power production and renewable energy sources. In the meantime it also needs to see what oil can be tapped, he said.

"Energy independence means everything has to be open for discussion," Giuliani said when asked about offshore drilling. "The idea of having more oil under our command, so to speak, or within our orbit probably for some period of time is going to be important. The ultimate goal, however, should be renewable sources of energy."

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To: Fierce Allegiance

Only an idiot would vote for Giuliani.

Your opinion and 4.00 bucks will buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I could say the same about voting for a loser like Duncan Hunter.


151 posted on 04/04/2007 7:46:20 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: All
everything has to be considered if the United States
wants to break its reliance on foreign oil

So if Guiliani is considering "Too", what prevents him from considering Not "Too"?

Kerry tried to play both side of the fence through both sides of his mouth also.

Why can't Guiliani just say "YES" I support drilling?

I want direct answers to direct questions, not "we'll see".

152 posted on 04/04/2007 7:48:24 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Cobra64
Without national security, not much else matters. Or is it just a pesky problem that will go away?

Guess what? Being President is about DOMESTIC and FOREIGN POLICY issues simultaneously. If Rudy is a one trick pony than he should put his name up for a cabinet position.

The terrorists would be very happy if we started using our tax dollars to kill our future generations because we are afraid of them.


153 posted on 04/04/2007 7:56:14 PM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: FairOpinion
Exactly!

Exactly what? Because we are at war we should use tax payer dollars to kill our own children?
154 posted on 04/04/2007 7:57:49 PM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: KATIE-O
I could say the same about voting for a loser like Duncan Hunter

Hunter served in one of the most dangerous assignments in Vietnam, while Rudy was hiding under his desk at law school.

155 posted on 04/04/2007 7:59:24 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: msnimje

Repeating very slowly again — this thread is about energy independence,


156 posted on 04/04/2007 8:00:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion; Spiff; Kevmo
So why do you support Hillary?!

Anybody have a "Beating a Dead Horse" picture? This line of argument has officially expired.

157 posted on 04/04/2007 8:02:42 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008. Audio, Video, and Quotes in my profile.)
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To: FairOpinion

He’s right on this one. Too bad he’s wrong on so many other issues. He would make an EXCELLENT senator from New Jersey.


158 posted on 04/04/2007 8:03:53 PM PDT by MSF BU
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To: FairOpinion

The “personally opposed” line is used by all pro-choice politicians. It’s a contradiction in terms.

“I personally oppose murder, but I support your right to choose it.”

Not really so good-looking when you put it that way.


159 posted on 04/04/2007 8:05:00 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008. Audio, Video, and Quotes in my profile.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Truth doesn’t expire. Too bad, that when you see it, you step over it, and keep going.


160 posted on 04/04/2007 8:05:09 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Mr. Giuliani made a rational statement that most people agree on:

...the debate on the existence of global warming "is almost unnecessary ... because we should be dealing with pollution anyway."

Certainly we should use technology to design stuff and engage in activity that has minimal pollution impact.

Neither liberals nor conservatives prefer to see their air before breathing it.

161 posted on 04/04/2007 8:15:23 PM PDT by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: FairOpinion
Indeed, truth certainly doesn't expire.
162 posted on 04/04/2007 8:17:02 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008. Audio, Video, and Quotes in my profile.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

This thread is about energy independence.

Please point out which part of RG’s stance on energy independence you disagree with and why.


163 posted on 04/04/2007 8:18:26 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

There’s really nothing for me to comment on, as I don’t disagree. More nuclear power? Yes. Drilling offshore? Yes.

Not enough to offset his other faults, however, of which there are many.

I was just replying to your one particular post that dealt with Rudy’s stance on abortion.


164 posted on 04/04/2007 8:21:29 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008. Audio, Video, and Quotes in my profile.)
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To: FairOpinion

Rudy bump.


165 posted on 04/04/2007 8:23:04 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Is the American voter smarter than a fifth grader?)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Only an idiot would vote for Giuliani

Failed "Interpersonal Relations 101" in college, eh?

166 posted on 04/04/2007 8:25:00 PM PDT by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: Ciexyz

In case you haven’t noticed, this thread is about energy independence, not Rudy. sarc.


167 posted on 04/04/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by upsdriver ((Hunter / Thompson......Gonzo politics)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Rudy supports Global Warming? Hmm...must be a very small group. Just how does one support global warming?


168 posted on 04/04/2007 8:27:55 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: areafiftyone
This post has nothing to do with abortion. Why don't you debate the issue of energy -

Indeed, why not? The poster's original objectionable comment reminds me of someone who posted to me on FR that Rudy should sign copies of his "Leadership" book with aborted baby's blood. If this was a cocktail party, and someone made such an offensive comment to me, I'd consider it highly boorish behavior and just walk away.

169 posted on 04/04/2007 8:28:37 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Is the American voter smarter than a fifth grader?)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Looks like someone’s going to have four (at least) bad years in store!


170 posted on 04/04/2007 8:32:18 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: FairOpinion
*applause* Some red meat from Rudy.

Comprehensive reform really is needed. Deregulation and expansion of nuclear energy, freer license to extract natural resources, AND research into renewable energy, high density energy storage, higher fidelity energy transmission, and safer radioactive waste disposal (not for global warming BS or to save owls/trees/mosses/rare beetles, but in the hopes of mitigating the asinine diplomatic games played with Islamic theocratic thugs and tinpot dictators elsewhere, as well as, in the longer term, increasing the competitiveness of domestic industry by reducing energy costs).

171 posted on 04/04/2007 8:42:02 PM PDT by M203M4 (De-fund and evict the UN.)
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To: FairOpinion

This idea by Rudy is right on. We should leave no stone unturned when it comes to exploring and utilizing our own resources. This goes for the coasts of Florida, the coast of California, and the entire state of Alaska. Not utilizing our own resources is the equivalent of a thirsty man refusing to drink water from his own well. I hope Rudy does run on this. It has never been tested, so afraid are we of the dems.


172 posted on 04/04/2007 8:46:54 PM PDT by Sam Clements
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for the ping.

As a Duncan Hunter supporter I am choosing not to engage in debate on this Rudy Giuliani thread on Free Republic. As a freeper I am disappointed that there are fans of a liberal presidential candidate trying to push socially liberal views on this socially conservative forum. In particular, I have noticed that the Rudy G fans do not answer posts questioning the qualitative substance of their candidate, or the posts are met merely with insults. And in short, I have noticed that rudy followers are simply rude.

Hildebeast is eminently beatable, this nonsense about rudy being the only one who can beat her is horse manure and impolite on this socon forum. For example, this article:
“Long Shot GOP Candidate Brownback Just Five Points Behind Clinton”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1798666/posts
We know that it simply means it’s very early in the race and that even no-name candidates are only 5 points behind Clinton. So the rudybots should stop supporting a social liberal on this social conservative forum and pick a real winner, rather than a ridiculous loser liberal like rudy.

The 2 polls on Free Republic put forth an obvious SOCON (only Hunter fits that description given) versus a SOLIB (it certainly fits rudy).
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=171
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=172

Rudy splits the base.

I have noticed time and again that rudy supporters rudely send up the false dilemma of “who would you vote for, Hildebeast or Rudy”. This particularly impolite at this early of a point in the primary cycle. Since this is a socon forum (not even a GOP forum), it is very impolite to ask double-bind questions, especially this early in the race.

Since team rudy is so fond of its own false dilemma, I would expect them to answer this false dilemma.

My contention: If rudy gets the nomination, he splits the base, possibly splits the republican party, and loses the election.

Rudy followers’ contention: If Hunter gets it, he wins the base and loses the election.

Hypothetical to answer the rudy followers’ hypothetical. Both sides losing to Hillary.
Side A: The solib republican splits the base. The MSM turns on him the moment he is nominated. Hillary wins. Republican party is split.
Side B: The socon republican wins the nomination, loses to hildebeast in a tough fight. Republicans are united against the hillary presidency.

Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?

Win-Win false dilemma:
Side A: Solib wins presidency by ignoring the socon base and permanently splitting the republican party.
Side B: SoCon wins presidency by (obviously) relying on the socon base.

Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?

Regardless of who wins or loses, Free Republic and the republican party is better off with Duncan Hunter than Rudy as the candidate. This social liberal candidate is simply not healthy for the republican party nor for FR. And rudy followers are proving to be very impolite freepers.

Duncan Hunter’s campaign website
http://www.gohunter08.com/

Sam Hunter: Duncan Hunter’s Ambassador to Free Republic
3/13/2007
Posted on 03/13/2007 10:11:39 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1800187/posts
Sam has been answering questions, unlike the crickets we hear on rudy threads.

Statement of Jim Robinson, Founder of Free Republic:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.

That’s why socons are signing petitions such as this one:
http://theconservativedeclaration.wordpress.com/

Conservatives:

Rudy Giuliani is an unacceptable Republican nominee for President of the United States. He is pro-abortion, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-registration of handguns, and pro-homosexual rights. He is the most liberal Republican candidate for President in our nation’s history.

Conservatives should leave no doubt that we will not support his candidacy under any circumstances. Therefore, we have created the Conservative Declaration of Independence to publicly state our position regarding the Republican Party’s consideration of a liberal as our Presidential nominee.

Please email theconservativedeclaration@hotmail.com to add your name to the list of signers.

Article II Supporting Evidence

Rudolf Giuliani explaining his liberal views:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM

Rudolf Giuliani explaining his position on abortion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALDfwXIYUX0

Rudolf Giuliani dressed as female:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

Interview with gay couple Rudolf Giuliani lived with when Sept 11th occurred:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2001_Sept_11/ai_78265968

Ban on Partial Birth Abortions:

“No, I do not support that (a ban on partial birth abortion), and I do not see my position on that changing.”

Abortion:

“There must be public funding of abortion for poor women. We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decision about abortion because she lacks resources. I have also stated that I disagree with President’s Bush’s veto for public funding of abortion.”

Immigration:

“There is not a Mayor or Public Official in this country who is more pro-immigrant than I am.”

Gun Control:

“I am in favor of gun control”

“You know I am in favor of that (registration of all hand guns)”

Gay Rights:

”I support domestic partnership legislation and I signed it.”

Free Speech:

“I am a big supporter of McCain-Feingold and have been for a long time”

Party Loyalty:

”Frankly, I would like to run on all the lines. The liberal line, the conservative line, I would like to run on the Democratic line if I could figure out how to do it.”


173 posted on 04/04/2007 8:52:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: upsdriver; Ciexyz

“In case you haven’t noticed, this thread is about energy independence, not Rudy. sarc.”

I can’t even say “nice try” — it’s more like a pathetic try.

It’s about Rudy’s stance on energy independence and that he had the courage to come out and support offshore drilling and nuclear energy.


174 posted on 04/04/2007 8:57:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

Go Rudy!


175 posted on 04/04/2007 9:25:48 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Is the American voter smarter than a fifth grader?)
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To: Ciexyz

He is also scaring the Dems, which is a good thing.

Giuliani Puts Democrats On Defensive

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1812252/posts

“You have to be on offense against terrorists,” Giuliani told the crowd. “Before Sept. 11, we were playing defense.”

If a Democrat wins the election, “we’ll be right back playing defense because that’s what the Democrats are doing,” he said.


176 posted on 04/04/2007 9:29:03 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

I wish someone would have promoted these issues years ago. Way to go, Rudy!


177 posted on 04/04/2007 9:32:53 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Is the American voter smarter than a fifth grader?)
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To: Ciexyz

I think Rudy’s time has come — we need someone non-PC who is not afraid to do the right thing and is effective.


178 posted on 04/04/2007 9:35:39 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

As much as I agree with Rudy, it won’t happen. The senate is...well, not respectable.


179 posted on 04/04/2007 9:36:53 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson)
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To: Ciexyz

I was just watching Olliver North on H&C and he said that as long as we are dependent on ME oil, we are at their mercy. That’s why it’s critical to become independent NOW, not 100 years from now, if, when, possibly, maybe some of the alternative energies become viable. Once we are independent, the ME can’t hold us hostage over oil — energy independence is critical for national security.


180 posted on 04/04/2007 9:37:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: Rick_Michael

Well, if Rudy wins with a landslide, he’ll have coattails, Republicans may recapture Congress, and with his leadership, he may stiffen the backbones of the Republicans in Congress and actually get things done.

Short of that, he can at least veto the Dems most damaging bills, stopping them from destroying the country.


181 posted on 04/04/2007 9:41:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: bluecollarman
So then, you agree with Rudy that Abortion is a Constitutional Right?

Well, how about the words of no less than Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts (as "conservative" a nominee as Bush might have picked), who, at his confirmation hearing, said that as far as he was concerned, Roe v. Wade was "settled law"....

- John

182 posted on 04/04/2007 9:49:09 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: FairOpinion; areafiftyone
Florida's congressional delegation has been fighting attempts to open more of the Gulf of Mexico to drilling, saying they are concerned that spills could damage beaches, the environment and tourism.

It's pathetic and obscene that Castro and the ChiComs and Hugo Diablo can drill off Florida but the polluting Yanquis can't.

Ditto that since Jane Fonda and Jack Lemmon and Michael Douglas and Wilford Brimley in China Syndrome (1979) showed we'll all die if an ant farts in a nuclear plant we can't build any.

Nor any refineries.

And we must have forty formulae so they're always in short supply hence terribly expensive.

Rudy will cut through this epic Leftist propaganda and git er done.

He's not "new tone" about this or anything.

I tell you the toughest fight would be Rudy versus Al Gore Fights To Save His Planet.

We're just a few Happy Meals from that happening.

183 posted on 04/04/2007 9:53:02 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Just the way Rudy didn’t let the PC crowd keep him from cleaning up NYC, he won’t let them keep him from making the US energy independent — a huge contribution to our national security and economy.


184 posted on 04/04/2007 9:55:21 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: aligncare
Failed "Interpersonal Relations 101" in college, eh?

Those of us with meaningful degrees don't take fag classes like that.

185 posted on 04/05/2007 2:18:07 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (One fish, two fish, I want to go catch bluefish.)
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To: Hildy

I’d gouge my eyeballs out with broken off plastic sporks before i ever took political analysis from you.


186 posted on 04/05/2007 2:29:15 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (One fish, two fish, I want to go catch bluefish.)
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To: Bobkk47
I wonder how some of these anti-abortion zealots would react if their wife or daughter was brutally raped by a criminal of a different race.

Are you assuming that they'd feel better if they were raped by someone of the same race?

187 posted on 04/05/2007 9:23:22 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: FairOpinion

Isn’t the Persian Gulf international waters? We should drill right in the middle of it.


188 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:47 AM PDT by wny
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To: FairOpinion
Then how do you explain this?!

Simple. Giuliani's position on global warming is not well known.

But it will be.

189 posted on 04/05/2007 9:25:37 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: rintense
...Then answer the question that no other Rudy supporter will answer:
If Rudy were running as a Democrat, would you vote for him over a Republican like Hunter, Romney or Thompson?...”

I’ll answer your hypothetical question.. NO! I would never vote for a Democrat in a million years. The Dem party has become the party of George Soros and a contingent of Socialist’s/Marxist’s like Hillary Clinton. No way. But I will vote for Rudy Giuliani or any candidate who wins the Republican nomination.

190 posted on 04/05/2007 11:34:33 AM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: FairOpinion

By all means build new nuke plants. Do some research on fusion, too, although there is plenty of fusion going on in that bright thing in the sky if we could tap into that. My uranium mine company could use some fresh customers but is doing just fine anyway.


191 posted on 04/05/2007 11:38:09 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: Peach
“,,,Thanks for the great job you’re doing, areafiftyone. I’m sorry that the Rudy threads devolve into such ugliness by the Rudy haters. Their charges get more inflammatory by the day and you handle it with grace and kindness.....”

Add my thanks too. Keep up the good work, areafiftyone and keep your sense of humor. You need it for some of these clowns.

192 posted on 04/05/2007 11:39:32 AM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
“Thinking? So that’s what that huge puff of smoke was!”

Not really. It was from my failed effort to instill some common sense in you anti-Rudy types.

193 posted on 04/05/2007 1:25:56 PM PDT by Gop1040
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To: Gop1040

Common sense is not voting for a liberal on the Republian ticket.


194 posted on 04/05/2007 1:38:20 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (One fish, two fish, I want to go catch bluefish.)
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To: FairOpinion

I am anything but a Rudy fan (and, for the record, it’s his gun-grabbing ways more than the abortion/gay rights issues that turn me off) but...

Giving credit where credit is due, Rudy is dead-on spot with the issue of expanded drilling for our own oil supply.

Further, anyone who doesn’t think we should explore alternative sources of energy (bio-diesel, being one)is off their rocker.


195 posted on 04/05/2007 1:45:35 PM PDT by DangerDanger
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To: Fierce Allegiance
“Common sense is not voting for a liberal on the Republian ticket.”

BREAKING NEWS: Not being a right-wing zealot is not being liberal. To win the Republican party needs to be a big tent to attract conservatives, moderates, independent and Reagan democrats. That is common sense.

196 posted on 04/05/2007 5:17:14 PM PDT by Gop1040
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To: msnimje

The original topic had nothing to do with abortion.


197 posted on 04/05/2007 9:53:15 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Fishrrman; areafiftyone; BunnySlippers; FairOpinion
Re: your post #182, thanks for the reminder that Chief Justice John G. Roberts, at his confirmation hearing, said that as far as he was concerned, "Roe vs. Wade" was settled law.

That's important info to remember during this primary season when the group that some have termed "right wing zealots" pound Rudy and pound Rudy on an issue that is, in effect, already settled. This just tears apart the whole Republican party and also drives indies and Dems away from voting Republican.

And now the zealots are hammering Rudy on supporting public funding for abortions. He's said he hates abortion and wishes women wouldn't have them. If abortion is legal and a certain state's law permits public funding, then the Prez as a federale can't interfere. It's that simple.

We should focus on the key issues of lower taxes, fiscal responsibility, and our nation's security. If the primary process refuses to allow Americans to focus on those issues, then it's proper for states like CA to move up their primaries so their people have a voice, instead of allowing states like South Carolina to decide the race by keying in on the most right wing conservative positions and destroying good candidates who don't fall in lockstep with those positions, thereby making the rest of the country, who has no voice, suffer the results.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

198 posted on 04/06/2007 7:44:23 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Is the American voter smarter than a fifth grader?)
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