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Giuliani stands by support of publicly-funded abortions
CNN ^ | 4/4/07 | Staff

Posted on 04/04/2007 7:07:11 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told CNN Wednesday he supports public funding for some abortions, a position he advocated as mayor and one that will likely put the GOP presidential candidate at odds with social conservatives in his party.

"Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, and therefore if it's a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected," Giuliani said in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash in Florida's capital city.

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Giuliani also vowed to appoint conservative judges to the bench, though denied such a promise was a "wink and a nod" to conservatives in support of overturning Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision on abortion.

"A strict constructionist judge can come to either conclusion about Roe against Wade," he said. "They can look at it and say, 'Wrongly decided thirty years ago, whatever it is, we'll over turn it.' [Or] they can look at it and say, 'It has been the law for this period of time, therefore we are going to respect the precedent.' Conservatives can come to that conclusion as well. I would leave it up to them. I would not have a litmus test on that."

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KEYWORDS: abortiani; abortion; giuliani; rinorudygiuliani; rudy; rudyonabortion
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To: Ol' Sparky

I will never vote for Rudy unless he is the nominee


201 posted on 04/04/2007 11:56:09 PM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2 (Thompson/ 08)
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To: onedoug
An honest ghoul.

Well, yes.

But at least it helps voters make an informed choice.

202 posted on 04/05/2007 4:23:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: caisson71
Yeah ... his logic is the standard democratic party line, but hardly robust.

I think I see a little smoke coming out of the starboard engine....somebody better start passing out the parachutes.

203 posted on 04/05/2007 4:27:52 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: msnimje

“In his entire political career he as only acted on the pro-life side.”

Nimje, you can’t be this dense, and I hesitate to suggest that you’re intentionally lying. The only conclusion left is that you resort to Clintonesque, Romneyesque word-parsing to post such a demonstrably false statement.

Moving one’s lips and tongue and exhaling air to produce speech is an action.

And Mitt Romney insistently used his physical and mental capacity for the act of speech to insistently, even indignantly promote Roe v Wade and abortion on demand.

VIDEO: Romney gubernatorial debate, November 2, 2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

VIDEO: Romney senatorial debate, October 1994

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

No honest person can watch these videos of Mitt IN ACTION and then post the false statement you did.


204 posted on 04/05/2007 5:55:29 AM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: oceanview

“what are you going to tell poor women who get medical care through public assistance?”

That pregnancy is preventable in the first place? That they should, perhaps, consider self-control and personal responsibility?


205 posted on 04/05/2007 6:25:16 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
“I am mainly a War on Terror Voter, low taxes and cutting government spending is secondary. Everything else is important, but im going with my heart and the issues that are crucial.”

That means you vote based entirely on FEAR and are willing to vote for any or anything if they at least say they’ll protect you.

That’s not historically an American trait.

206 posted on 04/05/2007 6:26:43 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
“He is for keeping tax cuts. “

What was that he said about ruling out tax increases was pandering?

“He is for a strong military.”

Is he? BASED ON WHAT?

“He has strong leadership qualities.”

What leadership qualities? Taking credit for others work?

“I believe Reagan would support Rudy, just as he did Barry Goldwater, even though they were not eye to eye on every issue.”

You must be too young to remember Reagan.

207 posted on 04/05/2007 6:29:07 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: EternalVigilance

No, I’m not giving you a platform to attack others people’s candidates until you develop enough manhood to put your choice for a candidate up for scrutiny like everyone else has.

You’re not playing your “problem profiteer” game with me on this issue.

Yours is a typical Liberal’s game...point out the problem, but never offer a solution.

Who do you support for the Presidency in this coming election?

Be a man and answer the question.


208 posted on 04/05/2007 6:43:23 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2
"I will never vote for Rudy unless he is the nominee."

I respect your stand.

209 posted on 04/05/2007 6:44:21 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you!


210 posted on 04/05/2007 6:45:01 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: AFA-Michigan
No honest person can watch these videos of Mitt IN ACTION and then post the false statement you did.

Why must you use Red Herrings to try to defend your indefensible position?

In his capacity as Governor he acted 100% of the time on the pro-life side.

Given the choice between someone who does nothing but talk a good game or someone who does nothing but WALK the right line, I will always pick the latter.

Would you rather hear someone say they are going to buy you a nice dinner or actually eat the nice dinner? Try a walk in the world of REALITY and see how you like it.
211 posted on 04/05/2007 8:22:58 AM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Hey, if you and your leftwing guy want to parade around on the field of battle wearing a target on your chest, that’s your problem.


212 posted on 04/05/2007 8:51:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: msnimje; AFA-Michigan
In his capacity as Governor he acted 100% of the time on the pro-life side.

Again, Mitt Romney's socialized medicine scheme, which he signed into law, contained tax-payer funded abortions.

213 posted on 04/05/2007 8:52:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Be a man.

Stand and be counted...who do you support?


214 posted on 04/05/2007 9:16:26 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; EternalVigilance

Quit being a jerk, Luis. Cripes, this time in 1999, candidates were nowhere close to officially entering the race. It is not absurd for someone to have not decided. What is absurd is demanding that they should have decided.


215 posted on 04/05/2007 9:18:16 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: EternalVigilance

I may have a target on my chest, but at least I wear pants.

Be a man and stand for something, instead of just against everything.

Who do you support?


216 posted on 04/05/2007 9:18:20 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: dirtboy
"It is not absurd for someone to have not decided."

This is a forum made up of political junkies, I don't believe that you believe your own response.

The leading edge of support in FR is going to a guy who has NOT entered the race, and EV is trying to convince me that he doesn't support anyone?

You know WHY he says that?

Because it's easier to attack the choices of others, than to defend his own.

217 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:57 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; EternalVigilance
This is a forum made up of political junkies, I don't believe that you believe your own response.

Hardly. Given the large number of candidates across the GOP spectrum, from Rudy on the far left of the GOP to the candidates to the far right, someone can honestly say they haven't made up their mind.

You're just trying to come up with a line of attack against EV. And it's just that. An attack.

218 posted on 04/05/2007 9:28:27 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

So, explain to me why you are fighting EV’s battles for him?


219 posted on 04/05/2007 9:30:35 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So, explain to me why you are fighting EV’s battles for him?

I'm just calling your spam on this thread for what it is - an unwarranted attack.

220 posted on 04/05/2007 9:32:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

You’re the only one “battling” Luis.


221 posted on 04/05/2007 9:33:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: bw17

Also, I don’t think Romney appointed even one of the justices who issued the gay marriage ruling.


222 posted on 04/05/2007 9:34:12 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: dirtboy
"Your support for Romney is warping your soul."

Want to guess who said that on this thread?

223 posted on 04/05/2007 9:36:12 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: dirtboy
"You have no credibility."

Want to guess who said that on this thread?

224 posted on 04/05/2007 9:37:12 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; EternalVigilance
So that justifies you launching into a long harangue against EV not having a chosen candidate this early in the race? A point where, in the past, no one had declared?

EV's positions on the issues are quite clear. I doubt he's considering Rudy McRomney.

225 posted on 04/05/2007 9:38:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: GOPyouth

“I’m more worried about stopping these nutjob radical muslims.”

I’m sure there are people here who would vote for a radical Muslim for president as long as he wants to outlaw abortion.


226 posted on 04/05/2007 9:40:08 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: dirtboy

Isn’t EV man enough to fight his own battles?


227 posted on 04/05/2007 9:40:45 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

It’s an open forum. If you’re being a jerk, I will call you on it.


228 posted on 04/05/2007 9:42:21 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Revenge of Sith
I’m sure there are people here who would vote for a radical Muslim for president as long as he wants to outlaw abortion.

Pathetic.

229 posted on 04/05/2007 9:45:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: dirtboy
"EV's positions on the issues are quite clear."

So is every single candidate out there, including undeclared ones. So it should be a rather easy thing for EV to do to match up his positions, with those of a candidate.

"I doubt he's considering Rudy McRomney."

Me too...I just want to know who he IS considering.

Maybe, if I examine his choice, I could be swayed to walk away from my camp.

I just want him to answer a simple question...given the choices, declared or otherwise, which candidate does he support.

Simple enough question.

I know who you support.

As a matter of fact, I think know who everyone on this thread supports with the exception of EV...doesn't that strike you as rather odd?

Or maybe disingenuous.

230 posted on 04/05/2007 9:47:55 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
This is a forum made up of political junkies, I don't believe that you believe your own response. The leading edge of support in FR is going to a guy who has NOT entered the race, and EV is trying to convince me that he doesn't support anyone? You know WHY he says that? Because it's easier to attack the choices of others, than to defend his own.

This forum is SUPPOSED TO BE made up of conservatives. It is not a discussion forum for just any political junky - but for conservatives who are promoting conservative candidates and causes. Remember that.

Those you accuse of only attacking the choices of others are not equal opportunity attackers. They attack the LIBERAL candidates just as we've done on Free Republic since it was created. We promote conservatives and attack liberals. We ally with conservative supporters and attack those who support liberals and liberal causes. THAT IS WHAT WE DO HERE. Just because liberals Romney and Giuliani have an R after their names DOES NOT shield them from being attacked for the liberals that they are.

Please keep that in mind. And if you find yourself (as you often do) on the same side as the liberals or liberal thought, you better be wearing asbestos undies because you're going to get flamed here. Not that you don't already know that, but you continue to side with liberal candidates and their supporters while attacking those who oppose the liberal candidates and their supporters. How about standing with conservatives for a change or how about getting lost and finding a liberal forum that would welcome your liberal crap.

231 posted on 04/05/2007 9:49:12 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: dirtboy

And if I think that EV is being a jerk, I’ll call HIM on that.

So, your problem is that I am exercising the same freedoms on an open forum that you exercise?

In that case, I’ll call you a hypocrite.

Fair enough?


232 posted on 04/05/2007 9:49:40 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Spiff

Perhaps rather than attacking the choices of others, more time should be spent elevating your own choices, and advancing their positions.

If I support Giuliani, and you support Tancredo, do you honestly believe that you will get me to support your candidate my calling me names for supporting mine?


233 posted on 04/05/2007 9:52:34 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Perhaps rather than attacking the choices of others, more time should be spent elevating your own choices, and advancing their positions.

I guess we should have never been an anti-Clinton site, then.

Or are we only allowed to attack liberalism when it's promoted by Democrats?

234 posted on 04/05/2007 9:56:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
And if I think that EV is being a jerk, I’ll call HIM on that.

Except you weren't attacking him for that. You were attacking him for not making a choice. So in that case, I'll call you two-faced.

Fair enough?

235 posted on 04/05/2007 9:57:24 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Spiff

I just glanced at your FR home page...it is entirely devoted to “STOP RUDY”

Do you know HOW to best stop Rudy?

To promote the candidate of your choice.

Why aren’t you using your time, your energy, and this forum to advance something rather that to tear something down?

If you tear something down without setting something in place to fill the void, you’re not helping anything.


236 posted on 04/05/2007 9:57:50 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If I support Giuliani, and you support Tancredo, do you honestly believe that you will get me to support your candidate my calling me names for supporting mine?

If you support a liberal on a conservative website, do you honestly think you won't catch grief for that?

237 posted on 04/05/2007 9:58:06 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I guess that's why candidates never use negative advertising.

Whoops, they do. Often. And it works.

Methinks you want to take the most effective tool away from those opposed to Rudy. Namely, using Rudy's past (and more and more, his present) against him.

238 posted on 04/05/2007 9:59:14 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

Let me ask you something...in my conversation with EV, where did I attack you so that you felt that you had to retaliate and attack me?


239 posted on 04/05/2007 10:00:20 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: dirtboy

I just want to know who EV supports, and now I have two people who aren’t EV attacking me for asking him a question, and not believing his answer.

Are you guys all dating or something?


240 posted on 04/05/2007 10:01:50 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: dirtboy

So you support mud slinging as an effective political tool?


241 posted on 04/05/2007 10:02:25 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I just want to know who EV supports

And he told you. No one.

But you kept haranguing him.

242 posted on 04/05/2007 10:02:28 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

How is that any of your business, and why did you feel that my conversation with him entitled you to attack me?


243 posted on 04/05/2007 10:03:34 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: dirtboy
"And he told you. No one."

...and I don't believe him.

Is that your business as well?

244 posted on 04/05/2007 10:04:34 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
And if I think that EV is being a jerk, I’ll call HIM on that.

Anyone who wants can scroll back and see that it is you who has been a "jerk" on this thread, and that I responded to your constant badgering calmly and matter-of-factly.

245 posted on 04/05/2007 10:06:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: dirtboy
"If you support a liberal on a conservative website, do you honestly think you won't catch grief for that?'

Everyone catches grief on this site from someone else as a result of who they support, some take the cheap and cowardly route, and claim that they support no one, while throwing out plenty of grief to those who do admit to supporting someone.

246 posted on 04/05/2007 10:07:07 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So you support mud slinging as an effective political tool?

I never realized telling the truth about a politician's past was mud slinging.

247 posted on 04/05/2007 10:07:19 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Perhaps rather than attacking the choices of others, more time should be spent elevating your own choices, and advancing their positions.

There's not much point trying to promote a conservative candidate when the top 2, frontrunning candidates with all the cash are flaming liberals. The first item of business is to knock them down so that the conservative campaigns have a fighting chance. Free Republic should be a hive of activity working to knock the liberal candidates out so that the conservative and even semi-conservative candidates have a prayer. All things are not equal here. All candidates are not equal here either. Despite the subversives here who have been working tirelessly to promote the liberal candidates and demoralize the supporters of the conservative candidates, the overarching goal of Free Republic is to promote conservative candidates and causes and to fight liberals and their causes. The infestation of subversives here working for liberals and against conservatives, that has been evident since the California Recall Election, has become intolerable.

Personally, I don't care which specific candidate you support. But if you openly support and promote a liberal candidate - whether it is Obama, Romney, Giuliani, Clinton, or whomever - you're going to get flamed on this CONSERVATIVE forum. If you promote anyone other than a conservative here, you're going to get what you deserve. And yes, that may include being called names. I don't care when I hurt a liberal's feelings, they are scum. Lie down with liberal dogs and you're going to get fleas and we don't need that kind of pest here.

248 posted on 04/05/2007 10:07:28 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: EternalVigilance

Who do you support EV?


249 posted on 04/05/2007 10:08:15 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

“Mudslinging”? Hah. The vast majority of my posts against Giuliani and Romney have focused on their words and record.

To borrow a phrase from Truman, “I’ve just told the truth and they think it’s hell.”


250 posted on 04/05/2007 10:10:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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