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UK captives tell of ill treatment
BBC ^ | 6 April 2007 | BBC

Posted on 04/06/2007 7:43:26 AM PDT by bulldozer

Royal Navy personnel seized by Iran were blindfolded, bound and held in isolation during their 13 days in captivity, the crew have said.

They were also subject to random interrogation and rough handling, and faced constant psychological pressure.

In a joint statement the crew also stressed that they were inside Iraqi waters at the time of the capture.

Royal Marine Captain Chris Air said it became apparent that opposing their captors was "not an option."

"If we had, some of us would not be here today, of that I am completely sure," he said.

"We realised that had we resisted there would have been a major fight, one we could not have won and with consequences major strategic impacts.

"We made a conscious decision not to engage the Iranians and do as they asked," he said.

The crew said they spent nights in stone cells, sleeping on piles of blankets and were kept in isolation until their last few nights.

They were also lined up against a wall while weapons were cocked, making them "fear the worst".

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: hostages; iran

1 posted on 04/06/2007 7:43:28 AM PDT by bulldozer
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To: bulldozer

Is this Ahmenijad warned Britian not to investigate this matter?


2 posted on 04/06/2007 7:44:44 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: bulldozer

Geneva convention? What Geneva Convention? Where the hell is the Left Wing screamers?.............


3 posted on 04/06/2007 7:45:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: bulldozer

I am comparing this reported abuse by the Iranians of the British hostages and their response to the abuse and response of the American POW’s held by the North Vietnamese...not for two weeks, but for years.


4 posted on 04/06/2007 7:48:31 AM PDT by Basheva
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To: Basheva

Compare these conditions with the ones in Gitmo, and tell the leftists to jam it, with a half-twist to the right...


5 posted on 04/06/2007 7:51:44 AM PDT by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: bulldozer

There is a reason why the military is taught not to give up.

Next time, fight back.


6 posted on 04/06/2007 7:53:12 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: jonascord

*****Compare these conditions with the ones in Gitmo, and tell the leftists to jam it, with a half-twist to the right...****

Then we can compare the outrage of the left over Gitmo and the silence over Iran.


7 posted on 04/06/2007 7:55:56 AM PDT by Basheva
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To: Basheva
I am comparing this reported abuse by the Iranians of the British hostages and their response to the abuse and response of the American POW’s held by the North Vietnamese...not for two weeks, but for years.

You too, eh?

8 posted on 04/06/2007 8:08:36 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bulldozer
Where's the Left on the violation of the Geneva Conventions?

[...crickets...]

9 posted on 04/06/2007 8:09:33 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: DuncanWaring

****I am comparing this reported abuse by the Iranians of the British hostages and their response to the abuse and response of the American POW’s held by the North Vietnamese...not for two weeks, but for years.

You too, eh?****

The question is...would our people respond with the same bravery as the American POW’s held in North Vietnamese cages, after 40 more years of American (democrat) leftist infestation/indocrination?

I don’t know...I wish I could say “yes” ....but I don’t know.


10 posted on 04/06/2007 8:15:48 AM PDT by Basheva
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To: sionnsar

Their silence is deafening.

I’m sure in a few days the usual suspects will start claiming it’s all Bushes fault and the Iranians were acting like that because of Gitmo and Abu Graib.


11 posted on 04/06/2007 8:16:16 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: Red Badger

They are busy inventing Gitmo stories. Real stories about real violations don’t interest them.


12 posted on 04/06/2007 8:30:28 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Basheva
"The question is...would our people respond with the same bravery as the American POW’s held in North Vietnamese cages, after 40 more years of American (democrat) leftist infestation/indocrination?"

I'm not sure the Vietnamese thing is an apt analogy, considering we were at war with North Vietnam and there was no chance of quick release for our airmen whether they cooperated or not. They didn't have the option to win their freedom through public apology, I don't think. Although Perhaps they'd have declined to apologize anyway, rather than become a propaganda tool for an enemy in a shooting war.

13 posted on 04/06/2007 8:40:09 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: bulldozer

“They only had date scones at High Tea, it was bloody awful.”


14 posted on 04/06/2007 8:42:54 AM PDT by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.(Request shot splash))
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To: bulldozer
It appears that while filming “GI Jane”, Demi Moore and her fellow cast members were exposed to more harsh treatment then the Brits experienced during their capture.
15 posted on 04/06/2007 8:48:27 AM PDT by wanderin
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To: Sam Cree

*****I’m not sure the Vietnamese thing is an apt analogy, considering we were at war with North Vietnam and there was no chance of quick release for our airmen whether they cooperated or not. They didn’t have the option to win their freedom through public apology, I don’t think. Although Perhaps they’d have declined to apologize anyway, rather than become a propaganda tool for an enemy in a shooting war.****

While it is true that might not have been able to win their early release had they done as their captors wished, they could certainly have avoided additional torture and possibly even have gotten better treatment.

Much of the torture was a direct result of their not being cooperative.

But they opted to not cooperate as much as possible even though it increased the abuse they had to endure.

This despite seeing tv coverage in America (shown to them by the N. Vietnamese) of the marches against the Vietnam war and the mistreatment of returning soldiers by the leftists in America.

Compare their bravery in the face of being shown Jane Fonda looking through a N. Vietnamese anti-air craft gun.

(Needless to say I NEVER EVER watch ANYTHING with Fonda in it.)


16 posted on 04/06/2007 8:51:14 AM PDT by Basheva
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To: Basheva

I’m not much of a Fonda fan myself. I wonder if her father was a leftist as well.


17 posted on 04/06/2007 9:18:15 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: bulldozer
“Fighting back would have caused a major international incident and an escalation of tension within the region,” he said.
.............................................

May be this is what Ahmedi was trying to achieve? And he freed them later because it didn't spark wider conflict. He is begging for the war.

18 posted on 04/06/2007 9:44:30 AM PDT by tubasonum (proud to be naturalized American)
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To: Sam Cree
Henry Fonda was a lifelong Democrat. However, he also served in the Navy for three years, during WW2, initially as a Quartermaster 3rd Class on the destroyer USS Satterlee; later, Fonda was commissioned as a Lieutenant Junior Grade (O-2) in Air Combat Intelligence. For his service in the Central Pacific, he won the Bronze Star.

This was back when you could be a democrat and still appreciate where you lived.

19 posted on 04/06/2007 9:53:21 AM PDT by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: jonascord

Thanks for the info. I have to give credit to Henry Fonda for that.

I will say that many of the Democrats of the 40’s were every bit as leftist as the modern ones. More patriotic, though, alot of them.

Reflecting on Jane Fonda, I think she inherited some of her father’s courage. ‘Course, she seems to be a traitorous fool as well.


20 posted on 04/06/2007 10:00:58 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: edcoil

Thank God they didnt have to wear panties on their heads!


21 posted on 04/06/2007 11:56:11 AM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: Sam Cree

Funny thing is, in many countries (especially 3rd World), lefties are patriotic. Just not in the West. Maybe it’s just that lefties the world over hate the superpower, whoever that is.


22 posted on 04/06/2007 1:06:35 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: PghBaldy

We had patriotic lefties during WWII. Arguably FDR was one of them. Of course, for the averate in the street lefty, we were fighting on the same side as the USSR in that war, so I guess it was easy to be a patriot even if you despised capitalism and worldly possessions. I’m sure the patriotic lefties of those days figured on changing our American system to a leftist system once the Nazis were defeated. That effort has been successful in many ways, unfortunately.


23 posted on 04/06/2007 2:02:09 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: sionnsar

“Where’s the Left on the violation of the Geneva Conventions?
[...crickets...]”

They just got back from Syria, then they and Tony Blair are moving on with a trip to continue praising Iran for being wise and a wonderful nation.


24 posted on 04/06/2007 2:34:09 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Sam Cree
We had patriotic lefties during WWII.

The lefties were dead set against getting involved in the war until Hitler attacked their beloved Soviet Union.

25 posted on 04/06/2007 2:38:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, I think you are right about that...if memory serves, all the folks on the American Left went on about what a great guy Hitler was (since he and Stalin had signed an agreement) until he attacked the Soviets, at which point they changed their tune.


26 posted on 04/06/2007 2:56:50 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: edcoil

Brave words from someone not in that position. Lightly armed against heavy calibre and RPGs. An Iranian heavy calibre opening up on one of those inflatables would have resulted in a massacre.


27 posted on 04/06/2007 4:14:31 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo
well, that is one result from an inept squad commander. There are other scenario’s I am sure you can envision.

His career as an officer is over, his troops should have been marching in formation, not waving to reporters. It is their job to be professionals. They failed. Hell, their marching in straight lines toward the colonist took more courage.

28 posted on 04/06/2007 4:33:04 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: bulldozer

The ill treatment dished out to the British hostages needs to be paid back to the Tehran dictatorship - with interest.


29 posted on 04/06/2007 9:34:46 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: wanderin

I can just about promise you I had a rougher go of it at SERE training before going to Nam. That little exercise was very convincing. The military had to modify the program because a couple of fatalities occurred during the exercise.


30 posted on 04/06/2007 9:39:58 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: bulldozer

Gosh.

The Nancy boys were inconvenienced


31 posted on 04/06/2007 9:53:59 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: bulldozer

Lefty Gay Boy Chicken Soldierettes.


32 posted on 04/06/2007 9:55:04 PM PDT by MistrX
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