Skip to comments.Probe finds Marines used excessive force on Afghan civilians
Posted on 04/11/2007 11:31:19 AM PDT by murron
WASHINGTON - A U.S. military commander has determined that Marines accused of killing civilians after a suicide bombing in Afghanistan last month used excessive force, and he has referred the case for possible criminal inquiry, The Associated Press has learned. (Excerpt) http://www.yahoo.com/s/554327
I’m afraid I don’t know how to properly post a link, but if you go to the Yahoo home page, the link to this article can be found there.
Here we go again. The “perfumed princes” of careerist generals, ambitious JAGs and unscrupulous investigators and lying muslims now out to hamstring and second guess warriors under fire. And, still the White House cannot figure out why the war against terrorists isn’t going so well with the American public.
Oh, I think I’ll join the Border Patrol instead. No, wait...
God Bless your son and your family.
Being the NCIS is investigating this your son is smart not to talk to them unless he has an attorney.
Thanks for the ping, Justa.
When your responding to an attack, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EXCESSIVE FORCE!! If innocents are killed blame those that launched the attack. The goal of terrorists (which is who we are fighting) is to merely wreck havoc on everyone. Military leaders who ignore this should be canned. Semper Fi Marines.
An enemy that routinely tortures and beheads civilians and would have no problem killing millions of unbelievers with nuclear weapons "WHEN" they obtain one.
Nothing as imbecilic as destroying those sworn to protect & defend, just for doing so!
Makes ya wonder about things, doesn’t it!!!!!
In a situation like Haditha or the Afghan highway, we can either risk the lives of Marines or the lives of civilian shields. We can't minimize the risk to both.
I do not understand why our military is suddenly fighting terrorism as a law enforcement problem rather than as a war.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the probe's results have not been released.
So why is he talking? If they are not released...maybe there is a reason like they are not good "findings" at all.
The findings have been forwarded to Central Command, which has responsibility for U.S. military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia. The case has also been referred to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service for a broader criminal inquiry, the official said.
Another official, also speaking on condition of anonymity,
What was this other guy's excuse for blabbing?
... said the initial military investigation concluded that there was a "reasonable suspicion" that the Marines violated the rules for the use of deadly force, and that crimes, possibly including homicide, may have been committed in the aftermath of the convoy being struck by a car bomb.
Damn it all to heck. I REALLY would like to see these pencil-necks in NCIS who are clearly the blabbermouths...be tasked with rifle company duty in these hot zones. Let's see how many fire-fights they get in and see whether they feel like prosecuting themselves...
SFW? Are we at war or not? If not, why are we there?
And, before anyone gets around to calling Marines “extremists”—let’s get that point established too!
Were existentially incapable of using excessive force. Were the Good Guys , so everything we do is good. Those who argue otherwise must be destroyed for their insufferable treason, ingratitude, self-loathing, or what-you-will. Anyway, destroy them.
Isn’t the definition of war the application of excessive force to defeat an enemy?
I don’t understand the calibration of force on the ground when you can bomb the hell out of somebody from 30,000 feet.
The "War" label doesn't apply to what we are sending our young people to do. Which is to become targets while engaging in policing duties with their hands tied behind their backs.
Let me know when the Prez decides to get serious about conducting actual "Warfare", than maybe I'll reconsider my position.
This crap has gotten completly out of hand.
With the leprous silver cities
Where the dumb priests dance and nod,
But not with the three windows
And the last name of God.””
They are firing, we are falling, and the red skies rend and shiver us,
Barbara, Barbara, we may not loose a breath -
Be at the bursting doors of doom, and in the dark deliver us,
Who loosen the last window on the sun of sudden death.
“Barbara the beautiful
Stood up as queen set free,
Whose mouth is set to a terrible cup
And the trumpet of liberty.
“I have looked forth from a window
That no man now shall bar,
Caesar’s toppling battle-towers
Shall never stretch so far.
The slaves are dancing in their chains,
The child laughs at the rod,
Because of the bird of the three wings,
And the third face of God.”
The sword upon his shoulder
Shifted and shone and fell,
And Barbara lay very small
And crumpled like a shell.”
What wall upon what hinges turned stands open like a door?
Too simple for the sight of faith, too huge for human eyes,
What light upon what ancient way shines to a far-off floor.
The line of the lost land of France or the plains of Paradise?
“Caesar smiled above the gods
His lip of stone was curled,
His iron armies wound like chains
Round and round the world,
And the strong slayer of his own
That cut down flesh for grass,
Smiled too, and went to his own tower
Like a walking tower of brass,
And the songs ceased and the slaves were dumb;
And far towards the foam
Men saw a shadow on the sands;
And her father coming home...
Blood of his blood upon the sword
Stood red but never dry.
He wiped it slowly, till the blade
Was blue as the blue sky.
But the blue sky split with a thunder-crack,
Spat down a blinding brand,
And all of him lay black and flat
As his shadow on the sand.”
The touch and the tornado; all our guns give tongue together,
St Barbara for the gunnery and God defend the right,
They are stopped and gapped and battered as we blast away the weather,
Building window upon window to our lady of the light.
For the light is come on Liberty, her foes are falling, falling,
They are reeling, they are running, as the shameful years have run,
She is risen for all the humble, she has heard the conquered calling,
St Barbara of the Gunners, with her hand upon the gun.
Ballad of St. Barbara
I am very close to telling my son to leave the Corp at the end of his current enlistment. If our men are going to be hung out to dry by pantywaisted staff officers and JAG’s, let alone corrupt politicians, I don’t want him to put his life on the line by hesitating when under fire, worried that he could be “Murtha’d”.
Leaks like this tell me one thing: there is not enough evidence to actually move forward. NCIS is trying to get another Murtha to step up and give them cover for another show trial.
I vote to put a few of these SOB’s out on patrol. Maybe after a few NCIS agents get IED’d by “civilians” this crap will stop.
That’s it, bring them home. Send the friggin lawyers over to fight these people. Send the Politicians too. Let THOSE jackasses deal with this. I am so damned SICK of these mamby pamby egg sucking JERKS it’s not funny.
The JAG a-holes are at it again. Since when did War and playing nice have to coexist.
I thoroughly agree. If Congress is so hell-bent on cutting funding for the military, let them cut funding for all these probes and investigations.
Amen brother—there is no such thing as excessive force. I have said ad nauseum until we go “Roman” on these barbarians there will be no victory, only attrition in a pointless occupation. Leave not one stone standing uopn another and do it until they say “we surrender unconditionally and gratefully accept your generous offer to xerox and implement under martial law the US Constitution, just stop killing us and we will behave”.
Here’s a perfect way to make yourself heard...take a reporter with you:
Operation Recruiter Appreciation Day
And make sure I CAN HEAR YOU!
I am sorry. When someone is firing hot lead there is not such thing as excessive force in trying to make them stop!
Probe Condemns Actions of SpecOps Marines
-—— Original Message -——
From: Neal Puckett
To: ‘Allen West’
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Probe Condemns Actions of SpecOps Marines
I now represent the company commander of the MARSOC company kicked out of Afghanistan for alleged use of “excessive force.” Any and all support would be appreciated. This is going to be another big, expensive case. We have to go on the offensive to get public and political support.
Neal A. Puckett
Lieutenant Colonel, USMC (Ret)
Attorney at Law
2181 Jamieson Ave, Ste 1505
Alexandria, VA 22314
From: Allen West
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:30 PM
Cc: Neal A. Puckett
Subject: Re: Fw: Probe Condemns Actions of SpecOps Marines
Sir, what we, or rather PC Generals and politicians, dont understand is that this is the enemy TTP, firing from the cover of civilians. This is why they dont deserve any recognition under the Geneva Convention and is exactly why the Geneva Convention does not protect non-state, non-uniformed belligerents who do not openly expose themselves as aggressors.
They dont care and use this as an opportunity to kill us and an opportunity to gain media attention and have us prosecute our own. This is pathetic in that who will defend America? If we keep choosing the side of the enemy what then? Perhaps some of these Generals sitting high and mighty should come out and ride some convoys through these tight spaces and be shot at from within civilian cover.
We should instead be looking at this as an enemy TTP and develop a policy and commnicate it to the world; “If you use civilians as cover we will engage and the resulting deaths of innocents falls as a responsibility of the enemy”.
My point is simple, two weeks ago in Iraq, two terrorists breached a security CP because they have two children in the backseat. The then drove to their target, exited the vehicle, and detonated the car bomb with the children inside.......that is what we are dealing with on the ground.
At Kajaki Dam here in southern Afghanistan, the enemy was getting their butts handed to them by withering ground and CAS, they then used children to protect their withdrawal and to recover their dead and wounded.....that is what we are dealing with on the ground.
Benevolence and kindness from people who are not on the front lines are resulting in deaths of our most precious resource. If this enemy has such blatant disregard of life, the onus falls upon him. And now we have Marines standing trial ref Hadtiha, and the potential threat of same occuring from the engagement here in Nangrahar. Someone put some Generals on the ground and not in their pristine command headquarters.....I prefer a General like BG Roosevelt who landed with his troops on Utah Beach 6 June 1944.
Semper Fi, All the Way Sir,
The initial reports and facts of this action don’t sound good. More information is needed to see what happened.