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1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect.. right to believe in God ..or not to believe in God."
The Brody File ^ | April 12, 2007 | David Brody thebrodyfile@gmail.com

Posted on 04/12/2007 8:22:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God."

The Brody File has dug up a Rudy quote from the past that makes for an interesting discussion. In a 1994 New York Times article, Rudy said this:

"As the Mayor of New York City, I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God -- because I realize that my right to practice my religion depends completely on my commitment to defend someone else's right to practice theirs, or to practice no religion at all."

The article goes on to mention his views on Catholicism.

"Mr. Giuliani, who as a young man once considered joining the priesthood, noted that many Catholics today "feel that in some intellectual or quasi-intellectual circles, they are demeaned." He said he had also heard Catholics say that "Catholic-bashing has become part of the dogma of what they regard as the politically correct." And he said: "Indeed, I do detect among some who accept the most recent intellectual fads a disdain for those who share in the more orthodox faiths, whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim. In my humble opinion -- and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge -- that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity." He compared such a view with the "difficult time that some believers have in drawing the line between belief in dogma and respect for those who disagree." He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."

Read the rest of the article here. It's interesting to hear Rudy talk about his faith. Clearly, there is a deeper story there. It makes me wonder what his upbringing was like and how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today. It's something worth exploring. I interview Giuliani next week. Maybe I'll pursue this with him. Got questions for him? Email them to me.


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To: garv
“.....From what I have read, Giuliani was raised in a nominal Catholic household and has never been more than nominally Catholic himself......”

Rudy must have been more than a nominal Catholic when he was contemplating entering the Priesthood.

151 posted on 04/12/2007 12:41:16 PM PDT by KATIE-O ( Rudy Giuliani '08 - Restoring Optimism For The Republican Party.)
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To: LimberJim
"....I heard Glenn Beck interview Giuliani this morning, talking about guns, taxes, health care and the free market. Beck was impressed. So was I......"

Darn, I missed it. I'll tune in tonight for the reruns.... Thanks for the heads up.

152 posted on 04/12/2007 12:44:07 PM PDT by KATIE-O ( Rudy Giuliani '08 - Restoring Optimism For The Republican Party.)
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To: pgyanke; areafiftyone
Catholic isn't an ethnicity you avow or disavow... it's about adherence to the teachings and doctrines of the Catholic Church.

***********

I agree completely. Giuliani has lived with liberals for so long that he seems oblivious to this and many other issues.

153 posted on 04/12/2007 12:48:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: msnimje
Rudi is a very bad Catholic......a bad husband and a bad father.

Fully 88% of those polled said they had a problem with Rudy not attending his son's graduation.

No doubt, the polls on Judi Giuliani's abandonement of her daughter would be equally as devastating.

Andrew Giuliani outed his father as a no-show dad ruled by Judi, his shrewish third wife who orders him to stay away from his kids.

Mrs Giuliani The Third abandoned her daughter to settle the bitter divorce so she could be with Rudy.

154 posted on 04/12/2007 12:51:20 PM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
“....Then let’s unite behind a genuine conservative for the primary instead of settling for someone who’s just one inch to the right of Hillabama.....”

A “genuine conservative” like Duncan Hunter cannot pull in enough votes from Independents to win the election. We can’t win it on conservative Republican votes alone. The White House would go to the Dems and we can’t let that happen.

155 posted on 04/12/2007 12:51:56 PM PDT by KATIE-O ( Rudy Giuliani '08 - Restoring Optimism For The Republican Party.)
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To: dmw
Sniff, sniff—smell that? It’s the smell of fear that’s coming from the Rudyite camp. It’s a sweet smelling aroma that keeps me coming back, day after day, hour after hour. Sniff, sniff...aaaahhhh....such a sweet smelling aroma!

What's that sound I hear? It's the sound of wailing and gnashing of teeth coming from the '100% no-compromise our-way-or-the-highway we'll sit home and let a democrat win in order to teach america a lesson' crowd as you realize that without some form of compromise and moderation, you'll continue to be irrelevent...

Sad reality must suck.

156 posted on 04/12/2007 12:56:41 PM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: KATIE-O; pissant; dirtboy
We're talking about the Primaries here. Not the general election.

We can’t win it on conservative Republican votes alone.

If it were a far-right extremist, you'd have a point. But what about Hunter's positions - pro-life, pro-border control, pro-military, etcetera - scream "exclusively conservative" to you? They sound like things a lot of Independents could get behind, particularly his stances on trade as regards with China, NAFTA, CAFTA, as well as his anti-illegal immigration stance.

157 posted on 04/12/2007 1:00:16 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

There’s a difference between compromising some things and completely throwing things out.

Rudy’s positions are anathema to most conservative positions. Reagan’s line doesn’t apply here: Rudy is not our 80% ally.

Here, the opposite is true. “My 80% enemy is not my 20% ally.”


158 posted on 04/12/2007 1:03:44 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace
What's that sound I hear? It's the sound of wailing and gnashing of teeth coming from the '100% no-compromise our-way-or-the-highway

Except that most of the folks you are attempting to paint as such would strongly support a Fred Thompson candidacy, who is not 100 percent conservative but is on the whole a conservative candidate, unlike Rudy.

Which makes your 100 percenter line of attack completely bogus. Conservatives will move towards the center if needed. They won't move left of center. Rudy is extremely left of center on key issues such as abortion (100 percent NARAL rating) and gun control (addressed Brady Center rallies and called for federal gun control laws).

If you are so serious about the GOP winning, quit pushing a guy who will rift the party.

159 posted on 04/12/2007 1:03:45 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace
GenuineChocolateFace (my wife would have wanted that screenname...),

I hear the lamentations expressed against the hands-sitting conservatives of last year and can't shake the realization that the wrong lesson has been learned. The party shouldn't be saying that conservative were wrong to not vote last election (by the way, yes, I voted), they should realize how badly they've gone adrift to lose the conservative vote.

Going further leftward with Rudy isn't the solution the problem when viewed from this perspective. No matter who you are (Hillary included), you still have to give people a reason to vote for you. The GOP has failed at governnance according to the reasons they were given the reins and the voters have had a negative reaction. Rather than chastising the voters, why don't we learn from this mistake and show some leadership? Their solution so far is to put out a milquetoast, mushy-middle candidate to try to capture the moderates. News flash for the powers-that-be: The Dem faithful will still vote for the candidate with the (D) and the conservatives will be further disenfranchised. Seems like a recipe for electoral disaster to me...

/ my two cents.

160 posted on 04/12/2007 1:05:51 PM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
My sincere belief is Duncan Hunter cannot win the General Election. If I thought he could, he would get my vote even though he doesn’t have the kind of experience we need in a President. Winning is the name of the game in ‘08 and the stakes are too high to gamble with.
161 posted on 04/12/2007 1:12:28 PM PDT by KATIE-O ( Rudy Giuliani '08 - Restoring Optimism For The Republican Party.)
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To: dmw

I guess my post #120 really “burned” you.


162 posted on 04/12/2007 1:37:22 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: usslsm51
Impressed? How, favorably or unfavorably?

Very favorably.

163 posted on 04/12/2007 1:44:30 PM PDT by LimberJim (It says "Breakfast Any Time", right? I'll have the pancakes in the Age of Enlightenment.)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace
“Sad reality must suck.”

Nah, sad reality is when another NW liberal comes on FR and tries to tell 90% of us conservatives here that we need to accept a liberal candidate. What’s the matter, did it get too boring over there at DU for you? People who promote liberalism in any form here on this forum can expect to be challenged and challenged fiercely. It isn’t conservatives who need to be put on the defensive here—it’s the liberals who promote liberalism.

"...100% no-compromise our-way-or-the-highway we'll sit home and let a democrat win in order to teach america a lesson' crowd as you realize that without some form of compromise and moderation, you'll continue to be irrelevent..."

You are right, no compromise--to the left that is. Moderation? Not interested. Irrelevant you say...time will tell.

I noticed in another post of yours that you don’t claim to be a Rudy supporter. Do you think you’ve got some kind of a calling to come here and defend the Rudybots? I guess someone had to go and recruit you to help protect these poor liberals who are getting their little *feelings* hurt here. How sweet of you to come and help these poor babies.

BTW, if you haven’t already, I suggest you go to the FR home page and read the FR mission. This is a very conservative forum, and as Jim Robinson has recently said, it will most likely become more conservative in the days ahead. Not gonna be too comfy for liberals...or for those who try to protect them.

And, by the way, welcome to FR.

164 posted on 04/12/2007 1:50:51 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: dirtboy

Hell, I’D support a Fred Thompson run... If he’d get off his butt and actually commit.


165 posted on 04/12/2007 1:55:59 PM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: GenuineChocolateFace
Hell, I’D support a Fred Thompson run... If he’d get off his butt and actually commit.

What's the rush? This time in 1999, no one was close to officially entering the race yet.

IMO the early entry gambit was a mistake all around. Rudy's been knocking himself silly wrestling with the abortion issue. Why should Fred join him in the tarpits?

166 posted on 04/12/2007 2:03:21 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dmw
I noticed in another post of yours that you don’t claim to be a Rudy supporter. Do you think you’ve got some kind of a calling to come here and defend the Rudybots? I guess someone had to go and recruit you to help protect these poor liberals who are getting their little *feelings* hurt here. How sweet of you to come and help these poor babies. No, I'm for whomever has the strongest chance of beating Hillary/Obama/SilkyPony. I'm willing to compromise on some issues that, quite frankly, in order to get what's important to me. I guess you could say I am, for this election cycle, a one-issue voter. No different than most others here. My issue happens to be the survival of this nation. I fear what a democrat president will do to this country if they win 2008. Let's save the country first. If Guiliani represents the best chance of avoiding a disasterous democrat presidency, I'll support him. I won't agree with him on everything, certainly, but it STILL beats the alternative. If it's Thompson, even better. And even better still, someone even MORE conservative would be great. Don't see THAT happening, though.
167 posted on 04/12/2007 2:03:35 PM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: dirtboy

I’m not in any hurry. However, I will be supporting whomever becomes the (R) nominee, even if they are more liberal than I would like. I’d hold my nose and do it, because I’ve SEEN what the democrats have done to my community, and electing a (D) will be MUCH worse than even Guiliani.


168 posted on 04/12/2007 2:05:56 PM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“I guess my post #120 really “burned” you.”

Oh yeah, I am just all burned up from your puny little post. Actually, I’ve been doing some homework that you gave me to do. I’ve been going back and reading the interaction between you and Jim. You claim that Jim Robinson *knows* you are a conservative. Well, I can’t presume to know what’s in Jim’s mind, but I can surely read his comments to you and I’ll be glad to post them and let everyone come to their own conclusions. Not sure how much time I want to spend on it, but let’s just begin with this one...

____________________________________________________________________________ Posted by Jim Robinson to Cincinatus’ Wife
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 3:20:33 AM PST · 54 of 300

Never in my worst nightmares would I believe Republicans, much less FReepers, would willingly go along with the wholesale slaughter of our helpless unborn generations. Shameful. May God forgive us.

___________________________________________________________________________ Are you a Republican? Are you a FReeper? Well, Jim seems to have some pretty strong sentiments towards people like you. I don’t know if he considers you a conservative or not, maybe he does. But he also believes that people who promote liberal candidates who support killing innocent babies—shameful. Not too conservative in my view. But hey, that’s just me.

169 posted on 04/12/2007 2:08:01 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: dmw

That one’s gonna leave a mark.


170 posted on 04/12/2007 2:13:44 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: areafiftyone

As I have said before... there are a lot of good things to say about Rudy, and this is one of them.


171 posted on 04/12/2007 2:42:46 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: JMack; Cincinatus' Wife
And the people who dis you here are only doing so because of how they hate Rudy and DU.

Nah.

The anti-Rudy folks with the hate complex are just the latest edition of the 'Buchannan Brigades'. The peasants with pitchforks.

"If you don't agree with my exact extreme reading of every single political issue you're a babykilling, gungrabbing, homoloving, liberal who isn't fit to lick my boots!"

They'll lose -- again -- and go away quietly -- again.

The evidence suggests Rudy will win the nomination and the general. And his history suggests he'll do a good job, likely becoming one of our best Presidents ever.

And all these folks calling him all these names will once again be seen for what they are. :-D

173 posted on 04/12/2007 4:13:00 PM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: areafiftyone
I'm a Catholic and I see nothing wrong with this.

You, as a Catholic, see nothing wrong with the way this man lives his life?
174 posted on 04/12/2007 4:22:31 PM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: JMack; TitansAFC; Liz; TommyDale; Ultra Sonic 007; Spiff; Reagan Man; narses; dirtboy; ...

This is a great post for you all to read. Check it out and send it to others who you think might be interested in it.

JMack, thanks for posting this. You said it far more eloquently than I ever could.


176 posted on 04/12/2007 4:57:13 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
You can't blame the Catholic Church for Rudy Giuliani being as liberal as he is.

;OD

177 posted on 04/12/2007 4:58:38 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: mkjessup

Thought you might be interested in reading this post #172. Check it out.


178 posted on 04/12/2007 5:12:21 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: KATIE-O
Rudy must have been more than a nominal Catholic when he was contemplating entering the Priesthood....a long long time ago.
179 posted on 04/12/2007 5:12:47 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: areafiftyone; All

I have always thought that abortion should be left up to the states..


180 posted on 04/12/2007 5:17:52 PM PDT by KevinDavis (?To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual ways of preserving peace? ?)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace; All

Well I’m sure the Radical Muslims who take over this nation will make sure abortion will be outlawed....


181 posted on 04/12/2007 5:19:13 PM PDT by KevinDavis (?To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual ways of preserving peace? ?)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Rudy should be running for President for the Left.

I’m finding fewer and fewer issues I agree with him on.
I really think he’s running for the wrong party.
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182 posted on 04/12/2007 5:19:27 PM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards.")
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To: cowdog77; KevinDavis
I think Rudy just eliminated the last issue he had credibility in.
183 posted on 04/12/2007 5:40:24 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: KATIE-O
Rudy must have been more than a nominal Catholic when he was contemplating entering the Priesthood.

Yeah, if I had a nickel for every Catholic politician who "thought about entering the priesthood" I'd be retired.

184 posted on 04/12/2007 5:43:44 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: areafiftyone

Guns, gays and abortion..the right wing wacko trifecta.


185 posted on 04/12/2007 6:43:08 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: Hildy; areafiftyone

“Guns, gays and abortion..the right wing wacko trifecta.”

How many times must I say FR is a conservative site? We do not support abortionism, homosexualism, feminisim, environmentalism, gun control, liberalism, socialism, etc, etc, etc. When I say I suspect we will become even more conservative than we already are, possibly via attrition if nothing else, what do you think I’m referring to? When FR starts pushing hard and I mean hard against abortion, gay marriage, homosexual education forced on our school children, pandering to illegal aliens, gun control, McCaine-Feingold type usurpation, global warming, etc, etc, even if supported or advanced by the GOP, then I fully suspect certain types of moderate/liberal Republican supporters are probably going to be a little uncomfortable here. We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and I’m afraid that’s going to piss off some folks.

And I’ll borrow a slogan used by the NFRA that I realy like:

“We are the ‘Republican’ Wing of the Republcan Party!”

~Jim Robinson~

Right wing wacko?


186 posted on 04/12/2007 8:04:12 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: newgeezer
Mr. Giuliani, I believe I can honestly say I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever. Does that mean I'm arrogant?

I pray to my bookshelf. Is that absurd or just faith?

187 posted on 04/12/2007 8:44:02 PM PDT by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: JMack
That really is a very good post. You should write an essay and post it as a vanity thread.

Better than 90% of what libmedia is passing off as political analysis these days.
188 posted on 04/12/2007 8:48:24 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Mr. Brightside

“how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today

You can’t blame the Catholic Church for Rudy Giuliani being as liberal as he is. There are a LOT of good, devoted Catholics out there.”

Maybe you can ... I know far too many Catholic-educated liberals, and as a Catholic I recognize far too many instances of Catholic church promoting bad (anti-free-market) economics in the name of good theology.


189 posted on 04/12/2007 9:10:04 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: dmw

Calm down...I was just fooling with ya.


190 posted on 04/12/2007 9:14:25 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: Dominic Harr

“The anti-Rudy folks with the hate complex are just the latest edition of the ‘Buchannan Brigades’. The peasants with pitchforks.”

Wrong. The MAJORITY of GOP voters, including me, has decided to support some other candidate besides Rudy.

Rudy will not be the nominee.

It will be either Mitt Romney or Fred Thompson. Watch and learn.


191 posted on 04/12/2007 9:17:01 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: zarf
I pray to my bookshelf. Is that absurd or just faith?

If that was intended to make a point, feel free to try again, and with less obscurity.

194 posted on 04/12/2007 9:27:55 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Since when did this stop being a discussion board and start being the land of the lock-step?

October 14 2003 1:47 pm. Didn’t you get the Freepmail?
From that point on everyone has to agree with me.


195 posted on 04/12/2007 9:29:19 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: All

BTTT


197 posted on 04/13/2007 2:38:57 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: WOSG
It will be either Mitt Romney or Fred Thompson. Watch and learn.

Well, I was sure the Cowboys were going to make the SuperBowl last year, so my crystal ball isn't all it should be. But have no fear, I will watch, and I will learn.

Your prediction seems to fly in the face of current evidence, but who knows? That's why they play the games.

198 posted on 04/13/2007 6:45:04 AM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Hildy
Guns, gays and abortion..the right wing wacko trifecta.

As P.J. O'Rourke once noted, it was right-wing gun nuts who founded this country.

And as Ben Franklin noted, we have a Republic - if we can keep it.

Liberal twerps like Rudy and yourself are what the likes of Franklin was concerned about.

199 posted on 04/13/2007 7:05:10 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

Lighten up..it was a bad joke.


200 posted on 04/13/2007 7:45:00 AM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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