Skip to comments.1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect.. right to believe in God ..or not to believe in God."
Posted on 04/12/2007 8:22:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God."
The Brody File has dug up a Rudy quote from the past that makes for an interesting discussion. In a 1994 New York Times article, Rudy said this:
"As the Mayor of New York City, I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God -- because I realize that my right to practice my religion depends completely on my commitment to defend someone else's right to practice theirs, or to practice no religion at all."
The article goes on to mention his views on Catholicism.
"Mr. Giuliani, who as a young man once considered joining the priesthood, noted that many Catholics today "feel that in some intellectual or quasi-intellectual circles, they are demeaned." He said he had also heard Catholics say that "Catholic-bashing has become part of the dogma of what they regard as the politically correct." And he said: "Indeed, I do detect among some who accept the most recent intellectual fads a disdain for those who share in the more orthodox faiths, whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim. In my humble opinion -- and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge -- that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity." He compared such a view with the "difficult time that some believers have in drawing the line between belief in dogma and respect for those who disagree." He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."
Read the rest of the article here. It's interesting to hear Rudy talk about his faith. Clearly, there is a deeper story there. It makes me wonder what his upbringing was like and how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today. It's something worth exploring. I interview Giuliani next week. Maybe I'll pursue this with him. Got questions for him? Email them to me.
Rudy must have been more than a nominal Catholic when he was contemplating entering the Priesthood.
Darn, I missed it. I'll tune in tonight for the reruns.... Thanks for the heads up.
I agree completely. Giuliani has lived with liberals for so long that he seems oblivious to this and many other issues.
Fully 88% of those polled said they had a problem with Rudy not attending his son's graduation.
No doubt, the polls on Judi Giuliani's abandonement of her daughter would be equally as devastating.
Andrew Giuliani outed his father as a no-show dad ruled by Judi, his shrewish third wife who orders him to stay away from his kids.
Mrs Giuliani The Third abandoned her daughter to settle the bitter divorce so she could be with Rudy.
A “genuine conservative” like Duncan Hunter cannot pull in enough votes from Independents to win the election. We can’t win it on conservative Republican votes alone. The White House would go to the Dems and we can’t let that happen.
What's that sound I hear? It's the sound of wailing and gnashing of teeth coming from the '100% no-compromise our-way-or-the-highway we'll sit home and let a democrat win in order to teach america a lesson' crowd as you realize that without some form of compromise and moderation, you'll continue to be irrelevent...
Sad reality must suck.
We cant win it on conservative Republican votes alone.
If it were a far-right extremist, you'd have a point. But what about Hunter's positions - pro-life, pro-border control, pro-military, etcetera - scream "exclusively conservative" to you? They sound like things a lot of Independents could get behind, particularly his stances on trade as regards with China, NAFTA, CAFTA, as well as his anti-illegal immigration stance.
There’s a difference between compromising some things and completely throwing things out.
Rudy’s positions are anathema to most conservative positions. Reagan’s line doesn’t apply here: Rudy is not our 80% ally.
Here, the opposite is true. “My 80% enemy is not my 20% ally.”
Except that most of the folks you are attempting to paint as such would strongly support a Fred Thompson candidacy, who is not 100 percent conservative but is on the whole a conservative candidate, unlike Rudy.
Which makes your 100 percenter line of attack completely bogus. Conservatives will move towards the center if needed. They won't move left of center. Rudy is extremely left of center on key issues such as abortion (100 percent NARAL rating) and gun control (addressed Brady Center rallies and called for federal gun control laws).
If you are so serious about the GOP winning, quit pushing a guy who will rift the party.
I hear the lamentations expressed against the hands-sitting conservatives of last year and can't shake the realization that the wrong lesson has been learned. The party shouldn't be saying that conservative were wrong to not vote last election (by the way, yes, I voted), they should realize how badly they've gone adrift to lose the conservative vote.
Going further leftward with Rudy isn't the solution the problem when viewed from this perspective. No matter who you are (Hillary included), you still have to give people a reason to vote for you. The GOP has failed at governnance according to the reasons they were given the reins and the voters have had a negative reaction. Rather than chastising the voters, why don't we learn from this mistake and show some leadership? Their solution so far is to put out a milquetoast, mushy-middle candidate to try to capture the moderates. News flash for the powers-that-be: The Dem faithful will still vote for the candidate with the (D) and the conservatives will be further disenfranchised. Seems like a recipe for electoral disaster to me...
/ my two cents.
I guess my post #120 really “burned” you.
Nah, sad reality is when another NW liberal comes on FR and tries to tell 90% of us conservatives here that we need to accept a liberal candidate. What’s the matter, did it get too boring over there at DU for you? People who promote liberalism in any form here on this forum can expect to be challenged and challenged fiercely. It isn’t conservatives who need to be put on the defensive here—it’s the liberals who promote liberalism.
"...100% no-compromise our-way-or-the-highway we'll sit home and let a democrat win in order to teach america a lesson' crowd as you realize that without some form of compromise and moderation, you'll continue to be irrelevent..."
You are right, no compromise--to the left that is. Moderation? Not interested. Irrelevant you say...time will tell.
I noticed in another post of yours that you don’t claim to be a Rudy supporter. Do you think you’ve got some kind of a calling to come here and defend the Rudybots? I guess someone had to go and recruit you to help protect these poor liberals who are getting their little *feelings* hurt here. How sweet of you to come and help these poor babies.
BTW, if you haven’t already, I suggest you go to the FR home page and read the FR mission. This is a very conservative forum, and as Jim Robinson has recently said, it will most likely become more conservative in the days ahead. Not gonna be too comfy for liberals...or for those who try to protect them.
And, by the way, welcome to FR.
Hell, I’D support a Fred Thompson run... If he’d get off his butt and actually commit.
What's the rush? This time in 1999, no one was close to officially entering the race yet.
IMO the early entry gambit was a mistake all around. Rudy's been knocking himself silly wrestling with the abortion issue. Why should Fred join him in the tarpits?
I’m not in any hurry. However, I will be supporting whomever becomes the (R) nominee, even if they are more liberal than I would like. I’d hold my nose and do it, because I’ve SEEN what the democrats have done to my community, and electing a (D) will be MUCH worse than even Guiliani.
Oh yeah, I am just all burned up from your puny little post. Actually, I’ve been doing some homework that you gave me to do. I’ve been going back and reading the interaction between you and Jim. You claim that Jim Robinson *knows* you are a conservative. Well, I can’t presume to know what’s in Jim’s mind, but I can surely read his comments to you and I’ll be glad to post them and let everyone come to their own conclusions. Not sure how much time I want to spend on it, but let’s just begin with this one...
____________________________________________________________________________ Posted by Jim Robinson to Cincinatus’ Wife
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 3:20:33 AM PST · 54 of 300
Never in my worst nightmares would I believe Republicans, much less FReepers, would willingly go along with the wholesale slaughter of our helpless unborn generations. Shameful. May God forgive us.
___________________________________________________________________________ Are you a Republican? Are you a FReeper? Well, Jim seems to have some pretty strong sentiments towards people like you. I don’t know if he considers you a conservative or not, maybe he does. But he also believes that people who promote liberal candidates who support killing innocent babies—shameful. Not too conservative in my view. But hey, that’s just me.
That one’s gonna leave a mark.
As I have said before... there are a lot of good things to say about Rudy, and this is one of them.
The anti-Rudy folks with the hate complex are just the latest edition of the 'Buchannan Brigades'. The peasants with pitchforks.
"If you don't agree with my exact extreme reading of every single political issue you're a babykilling, gungrabbing, homoloving, liberal who isn't fit to lick my boots!"
They'll lose -- again -- and go away quietly -- again.
The evidence suggests Rudy will win the nomination and the general. And his history suggests he'll do a good job, likely becoming one of our best Presidents ever.
And all these folks calling him all these names will once again be seen for what they are. :-D
This is a great post for you all to read. Check it out and send it to others who you think might be interested in it.
JMack, thanks for posting this. You said it far more eloquently than I ever could.
Thought you might be interested in reading this post #172. Check it out.
I have always thought that abortion should be left up to the states..
Well I’m sure the Radical Muslims who take over this nation will make sure abortion will be outlawed....
Rudy should be running for President for the Left.
I’m finding fewer and fewer issues I agree with him on.
I really think he’s running for the wrong party.
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Yeah, if I had a nickel for every Catholic politician who "thought about entering the priesthood" I'd be retired.
Guns, gays and abortion..the right wing wacko trifecta.
“Guns, gays and abortion..the right wing wacko trifecta.”
How many times must I say FR is a conservative site? We do not support abortionism, homosexualism, feminisim, environmentalism, gun control, liberalism, socialism, etc, etc, etc. When I say I suspect we will become even more conservative than we already are, possibly via attrition if nothing else, what do you think I’m referring to? When FR starts pushing hard and I mean hard against abortion, gay marriage, homosexual education forced on our school children, pandering to illegal aliens, gun control, McCaine-Feingold type usurpation, global warming, etc, etc, even if supported or advanced by the GOP, then I fully suspect certain types of moderate/liberal Republican supporters are probably going to be a little uncomfortable here. We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and I’m afraid that’s going to piss off some folks.
And I’ll borrow a slogan used by the NFRA that I realy like:
“We are the ‘Republican’ Wing of the Republcan Party!”
Right wing wacko?
I pray to my bookshelf. Is that absurd or just faith?
“how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today
You can’t blame the Catholic Church for Rudy Giuliani being as liberal as he is. There are a LOT of good, devoted Catholics out there.”
Maybe you can ... I know far too many Catholic-educated liberals, and as a Catholic I recognize far too many instances of Catholic church promoting bad (anti-free-market) economics in the name of good theology.
Calm down...I was just fooling with ya.
“The anti-Rudy folks with the hate complex are just the latest edition of the ‘Buchannan Brigades’. The peasants with pitchforks.”
Wrong. The MAJORITY of GOP voters, including me, has decided to support some other candidate besides Rudy.
Rudy will not be the nominee.
It will be either Mitt Romney or Fred Thompson. Watch and learn.
If that was intended to make a point, feel free to try again, and with less obscurity.
Since when did this stop being a discussion board and start being the land of the lock-step?
October 14 2003 1:47 pm. Didn’t you get the Freepmail?
From that point on everyone has to agree with me.
Well, I was sure the Cowboys were going to make the SuperBowl last year, so my crystal ball isn't all it should be. But have no fear, I will watch, and I will learn.
Your prediction seems to fly in the face of current evidence, but who knows? That's why they play the games.
As P.J. O'Rourke once noted, it was right-wing gun nuts who founded this country.
And as Ben Franklin noted, we have a Republic - if we can keep it.
Liberal twerps like Rudy and yourself are what the likes of Franklin was concerned about.
Lighten up..it was a bad joke.