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1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect.. right to believe in God ..or not to believe in God."
The Brody File ^ | April 12, 2007 | David Brody thebrodyfile@gmail.com

Posted on 04/12/2007 8:22:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God."

The Brody File has dug up a Rudy quote from the past that makes for an interesting discussion. In a 1994 New York Times article, Rudy said this:

"As the Mayor of New York City, I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God -- because I realize that my right to practice my religion depends completely on my commitment to defend someone else's right to practice theirs, or to practice no religion at all."

The article goes on to mention his views on Catholicism.

"Mr. Giuliani, who as a young man once considered joining the priesthood, noted that many Catholics today "feel that in some intellectual or quasi-intellectual circles, they are demeaned." He said he had also heard Catholics say that "Catholic-bashing has become part of the dogma of what they regard as the politically correct." And he said: "Indeed, I do detect among some who accept the most recent intellectual fads a disdain for those who share in the more orthodox faiths, whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim. In my humble opinion -- and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge -- that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity." He compared such a view with the "difficult time that some believers have in drawing the line between belief in dogma and respect for those who disagree." He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."

Read the rest of the article here. It's interesting to hear Rudy talk about his faith. Clearly, there is a deeper story there. It makes me wonder what his upbringing was like and how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today. It's something worth exploring. I interview Giuliani next week. Maybe I'll pursue this with him. Got questions for him? Email them to me.


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1 posted on 04/12/2007 8:22:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

(((RUDY PING)))


2 posted on 04/12/2007 8:25:08 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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OMG!!!! That SOB supports people’s right to NOT believe in God?

That’s it. I can’t in good conscience vote for a man like that.


3 posted on 04/12/2007 8:28:14 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

Are you serious?


4 posted on 04/12/2007 8:30:05 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for all your great posts! :-)


5 posted on 04/12/2007 8:30:29 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God."

In other words, the First Amendment right to worship as one chooses.

Too bad Rudy didn't feel as compelled to defend the 2nd Amendment. Or other parts of the First Amendment, such as those impacted by CFR. Or the right to peaceably assemble.

6 posted on 04/12/2007 8:31:06 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: All

Go to the rest of the story.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE7DA1231F932A15757C0A962958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print


7 posted on 04/12/2007 8:32:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy

Ahhh yes, Guns, Gays and abortion. Amazing how much you guys can blame one candidate for. Oh wait... I forgot one... Terri Shiavo...


8 posted on 04/12/2007 8:32:33 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

It’s fun finding out so much about a good candidate.


9 posted on 04/12/2007 8:32:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today

You can't blame the Catholic Church for Rudy Giuliani being as liberal as he is. There are a LOT of good, devoted Catholics out there.

10 posted on 04/12/2007 8:33:09 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: areafiftyone

No, not really. ;)


11 posted on 04/12/2007 8:33:26 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Its a shame this post will be corrupted soon. Oh wait... it already has been... ;-)


12 posted on 04/12/2007 8:33:30 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

LOL! Thanks.


13 posted on 04/12/2007 8:33:59 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Ahhh yes, Guns, Gays and abortion. Amazing how much you guys can blame one candidate for.

It's all Rudy's own doing. No one forced him to address NARAL and Brady Center rallies or march in gay rights parades.

And it goes well beyond guns, gays, and abortion. CFR. Global warming. Sanctuary city policies. Amnesty. Abuse of power. Disregarding the law when it suits him.

Shall I go on?

14 posted on 04/12/2007 8:34:33 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: areafiftyone

I heard that Guiliani went to vist Schiavo in the hospital, and was putting kinks in her feeding tube, and laughing maniacally.


15 posted on 04/12/2007 8:34:49 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."

Mr. Giuliani, I believe I can honestly say I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever. Does that mean I'm arrogant?

Were the Apostles and other martyrs arrogant?

16 posted on 04/12/2007 8:35:03 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can do that on my own Rudy.

I thought the Constitution protected us on this one.

Next?


17 posted on 04/12/2007 8:35:27 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The right to believe is not threatened. The right to express and act on that belief is.


18 posted on 04/12/2007 8:35:44 AM PDT by DManA
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

Some people choose to be agnostic.


19 posted on 04/12/2007 8:36:46 AM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
From what I have read, Giuliani was raised in a nominal Catholic household and has never been more than nominally Catholic himself.

That would explain why he can so easily hold positions on moral issues that are antithetical to Catholic teaching.

20 posted on 04/12/2007 8:36:52 AM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: DManA

That sounds like Rudy’s point.


21 posted on 04/12/2007 8:37:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

You have to learn to use sarcasm tags! :-) You might scare some people! ;-)


22 posted on 04/12/2007 8:37:00 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Heh heh heh.

(Sarcasm tags spoil the fun)


23 posted on 04/12/2007 8:38:05 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: dirtboy

Its your obsession not mine! Enjoy yourself!


24 posted on 04/12/2007 8:38:08 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

You are just plain evil! ;-) I like it! LOL!


25 posted on 04/12/2007 8:38:36 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Yup. Plain Evil. Like Guiliani.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.


26 posted on 04/12/2007 8:39:37 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: newgeezer
He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."

What an arrogant jerk. Now he tells folks how they should believe?

27 posted on 04/12/2007 8:40:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

Yup!


28 posted on 04/12/2007 8:40:38 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

I heard Glenn Beck interview Giuliani this morning, talking about guns, taxes, health care and the free market.

Beck was impressed.

So was I.


29 posted on 04/12/2007 8:45:50 AM PDT by LimberJim (It says "Breakfast Any Time", right? I'll have the pancakes in the Age of Enlightenment.)
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To: LimberJim

Did he get to talk about education?


30 posted on 04/12/2007 8:48:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy
What an arrogant jerk. Now he tells folks how they should believe?

Maybe he meant truly "intelligent" people always strive to keep an open mind.

Or, maybe he meant an evangelist should maintain an appearance of open-mindedness to avoid appearing arrogant.

I really don't know what he meant. But, if it's either of the above, I'd disagree with him.

31 posted on 04/12/2007 8:50:09 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In reality, doesn’t (didn’t) Madelyn Murray O’Hare also think that people had the right to believe or not to believe?

So this statement by Rudy really means nothing.

32 posted on 04/12/2007 8:50:12 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: LimberJim
I heard Glenn Beck interview Giuliani this morning, talking about guns, taxes, health care and the free market.

Talk is cheap.

Rudy's past actions speak volumes. But I guess we're supposed to not pay attention to what a politician has done in the past, just what he says he's gonna do as he seeks a higher office.

33 posted on 04/12/2007 8:51:05 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: LimberJim

Really? Thanks for the info. Glad to hear it!


34 posted on 04/12/2007 8:51:41 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: newgeezer
I'm basically a Deist, so I have some doubts about the nature of God.

But I don't think that those who have firm beliefs are somehow inferior. We simply have to wrestle with the great questions of the world. So I find Rudy's line arrogant, even if I might share some of his doubts.

35 posted on 04/12/2007 8:53:39 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy; LimberJim

Did Beck say he was impressed? Or was that your interpretation of what you believed Beck was thinking?


36 posted on 04/12/2007 8:54:17 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: newgeezer; dirtboy; Mr. Brightside

How can you argue with this statement?

“In my humble opinion — and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge — that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity.””


37 posted on 04/12/2007 8:54:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: indylindy

Beck said that if they weren’t both straight guys against gay marriage he’d kiss Rudy in gratitude for his common sense.

That good enough for you?


38 posted on 04/12/2007 8:56:41 AM PDT by LimberJim (It says "Breakfast Any Time", right? I'll have the pancakes in the Age of Enlightenment.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Another high profile person making Catholics look bad.
Way to go Rudi!
39 posted on 04/12/2007 8:58:30 AM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: dirtboy

***...”The Catholic religion provides me the structure in which to ask these questions,” the Mayor said. “The church has built the road that allows my intellect to traverse to the outer reaches of what is comprehensible and, at that point, the church offers a leap of faith to carry me where my intellect cannot go. For me, being a Catholic is not limiting but liberating.”....***

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE7DA1231F932A15757C0A962958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print


40 posted on 04/12/2007 8:58:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: LimberJim

Yep, thats better.


41 posted on 04/12/2007 8:58:52 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We were disussing this statement:

He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."

Which, ironically, is arrogant in its own right.

42 posted on 04/12/2007 8:58:58 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

Your quote does not support your satement that he is telling people what to believe. I read the quote as, colloquially, “believe what you want but don’t be an a$$hole about it”.


43 posted on 04/12/2007 8:59:47 AM PDT by dmz
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To: msnimje
Another high profile person making Catholics look bad.

????????????

44 posted on 04/12/2007 9:00:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GenuineChocolateFace
I heard that Guiliani went to vist Schiavo in the hospital, and was putting kinks in her feeding tube, and laughing maniacally.

It is pretty disgusting making fun of this woman's death, too much even for a Rudi supporter.
45 posted on 04/12/2007 9:00:28 AM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
***...”The Catholic religion provides me the structure in which to ask these questions,” the Mayor said. “The church has built the road that allows my intellect to traverse to the outer reaches of what is comprehensible and, at that point, the church offers a leap of faith to carry me where my intellect cannot go. For me, being a Catholic is not limiting but liberating.”....***

Of course, his Catholicism apparently was no impediment to racking up a 100 percent NARAL rating.

So excuse me if I don't see Rudy as a font of wisdom on Catholicism.

46 posted on 04/12/2007 9:00:32 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy
We were disussing this statement:

Rich! Who made you the dictator of what can be discussed?

47 posted on 04/12/2007 9:01:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Another high profile person making Catholics look bad. ????????????

Sorry, I forgot to use very small words for Rudi supporters.

Rudi is a very bad Catholic. He is a bad husband and a bad father. He is very public. This makes Catholics look bad.
48 posted on 04/12/2007 9:03:15 AM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses

Catholic ping.

I find it interesting that he can be a Catholic and yet receive a 100% rating from NARAL.


49 posted on 04/12/2007 9:04:04 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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