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1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect.. right to believe in God ..or not to believe in God."
The Brody File ^ | April 12, 2007 | David Brody thebrodyfile@gmail.com

Posted on 04/12/2007 8:22:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God."

The Brody File has dug up a Rudy quote from the past that makes for an interesting discussion. In a 1994 New York Times article, Rudy said this:

"As the Mayor of New York City, I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God -- because I realize that my right to practice my religion depends completely on my commitment to defend someone else's right to practice theirs, or to practice no religion at all."

The article goes on to mention his views on Catholicism.

"Mr. Giuliani, who as a young man once considered joining the priesthood, noted that many Catholics today "feel that in some intellectual or quasi-intellectual circles, they are demeaned." He said he had also heard Catholics say that "Catholic-bashing has become part of the dogma of what they regard as the politically correct." And he said: "Indeed, I do detect among some who accept the most recent intellectual fads a disdain for those who share in the more orthodox faiths, whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim. In my humble opinion -- and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge -- that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity." He compared such a view with the "difficult time that some believers have in drawing the line between belief in dogma and respect for those who disagree." He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."

Read the rest of the article here. It's interesting to hear Rudy talk about his faith. Clearly, there is a deeper story there. It makes me wonder what his upbringing was like and how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today. It's something worth exploring. I interview Giuliani next week. Maybe I'll pursue this with him. Got questions for him? Email them to me.


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To: msnimje
It is pretty disgusting making fun of this woman's death, too much even for a Rudi supporter.

Rudy cared about Terry.

I‘m sure you remember the case of Terri Schiavo. Well, for all you pro-lifers out there, is it important to you that Rudy Giuliani believes the government SHOULD have stepped in to help save her life? Read more here. At a campaign stop in Florida, here’s what he said: “I thought it was appropriate to make every effort to give her a chance to stay alive.” Let’s get out our social conservative scorecard and put a checkmark next to that one in Rudy’s column. He’s now saying the same thing that Tom Delay and Bill Frist said when this all went down...... http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/134938.aspx

....a New York Post article from April 1, 2005, in the midst of the controversy, quotes Giuliani expressing the same position: “I think the right decision would have been to keep the feeding tube in, under the circumstances of the case,” former Mayor Rudy Giuliani said.... http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/10/giuliani-schiavo/

51 posted on 04/12/2007 9:04:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: msnimje
Another high profile person making Catholics look bad.

He's hardly making Catholics look bad. I'm a Catholic and I see nothing wrong with this. Perhaps you should read the whole thing first.

52 posted on 04/12/2007 9:04:42 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: dmz
Your quote does not support your satement that he is telling people what to believe.

Bullcrap. He is telling people without doubt that they should acquire some, quite frankly.

But this is the kind of mush I'd expect from a guy who talks about Catholic faith and then gets a 100 rating from NARAL.

53 posted on 04/12/2007 9:05:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dmz
Your quote does not support your satement that he is telling people what to believe.

Bullcrap. He is telling people without doubt that they should acquire some, quite frankly.

But this is the kind of mush I'd expect from a guy who talks about Catholic faith and then gets a 100 rating from NARAL.

54 posted on 04/12/2007 9:05:16 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity

Why is it that those with nominal, or non-existent, belief think that those who do believe are non-intellectual?

55 posted on 04/12/2007 9:05:40 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: msnimje
Rudi is a very bad Catholic. He is a bad husband and a bad father. He is very public. This makes Catholics look bad.

I didn't know you were monolithic.

56 posted on 04/12/2007 9:05:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dirtboy

What is your obsession with NARAL??? You guys seem to know alot about them.


57 posted on 04/12/2007 9:06:59 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can see which freepers are feeling more and more marginalized each day and it’s not pretty. LOL

I had rather thought that after being thoroughly trounced with their choice of Alan Keyes as the nominee in 2000 they would be a bit more temperate in their discussions about future presidents, but alas, it isn’t to be.


58 posted on 04/12/2007 9:07:05 AM PDT by Peach (Not banned yet.)
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To: dirtboy
So excuse me if I don't see Rudy as a font of wisdom on Catholicism.<.I>

Rudy believes in Catholicism like Castro believes in Democracy.

59 posted on 04/12/2007 9:07:37 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: areafiftyone; msnimje
He's hardly making Catholics look bad. I'm a Catholic and I see nothing wrong with this.

msnimje is probably referring to Rudy's stance on abortion.

Say, if you're a Catholic, why are you so chummy with Rudy's stances on abortion?

60 posted on 04/12/2007 9:07:54 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; dirtboy
Who made you the dictator of what can be discussed?

I took him to mean he thought you were implying there was some connection between the statement we were discussing and the statement you asked about.

I took him that way because I thought you implied the same thing.

Maybe I'm missing something but, I see little justification for the tone of your response.

61 posted on 04/12/2007 9:08:00 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: areafiftyone

How can someone who calls himself a Catholic have no problem with abortion?


62 posted on 04/12/2007 9:08:31 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I don’t consider abortion an issue for the presidency. That has always been the case with me.


63 posted on 04/12/2007 9:09:24 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone; dmw; narses; Spiff; wagglebee; dirtboy
What is your obsession with NARAL???

They're one of the most prominent Pro-Abortion organizations in the United States. If they support someone, then that should raise eyebrows. If their support for someone is 100%, that should raise some warning flags.

You guys seem to know alot about them.

Know thine enemy.

64 posted on 04/12/2007 9:10:21 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: msnimje
making fun of this woman's death

ChocolateFace was obviously NOT making fun of Schiavo's death, but instead imitating (and thus, making fun of) posters like yourself, whose Rudy Derangement Syndrome leads you all to accuse Giuliani of virtually everything and anything.

65 posted on 04/12/2007 9:10:24 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: areafiftyone

Shhhhhh.... I have a feeling that a lot of these people would gladly give up the War against terrorists, allowing them to take over, if it mean Abortion would be completely and totally outlawed. And women put back “in their place” and...

Sigh.


66 posted on 04/12/2007 9:11:32 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: dmz

You’re right but there are freepers who just don’t want to let the facts get in the way of their good storyline. LOL


67 posted on 04/12/2007 9:12:18 AM PDT by Peach (Not banned yet.)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

IBTZ.


68 posted on 04/12/2007 9:12:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Martin Luther King Jr. would be so proud of these people today huh?" -- FReeper Just sayin)
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To: areafiftyone; dirtboy; pissant

One’s stance on abortion can be telling about a few things.

Consider: Rudy thinks poor women have a Constitutional right to taxpayer-funded abortion.

From that one statement, we can deduce:

1) His perception of Constitutional rights is very out of wack.

2) He undermines his own “fiscal conservative” label by advocating tax-payer funded abortion.

3) He has an “interesting” code of ethics, to say the least.


69 posted on 04/12/2007 9:13:14 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: M. Thatcher

Maybe we need an RDS Telethon. If Jerry Lewis ain’t busy, maybe he’d host it. ;)


70 posted on 04/12/2007 9:13:14 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

It’s becoming rather comical how hysterical the Rudy Rooters get over straightforward FACTS.

Now, I understand it must get very frustrating to promote a hard-core liberal on a conservative forum, but did they really expect conservatives to just roll-over?


71 posted on 04/12/2007 9:13:21 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

Why not go for the best of both worlds? (points to tagline)

Pro-war against terrorists, and Pro-Life. Among other things.


72 posted on 04/12/2007 9:15:09 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; areafiftyone; dirtboy; pissant
He undermines his own “fiscal conservative” label by advocating tax-payer funded abortion.

All "fiscal conservative" really means is that you would prefer to not run a deficit, it has nothing to do with curtailing spending. I have yet to see Rudy out there campaigning for a tax cut.

73 posted on 04/12/2007 9:15:15 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: StAnDeliver
IBTZ

Let me guess - You hit "Abuse" and typed in "Unrepentent Rudy Supporter"?

74 posted on 04/12/2007 9:15:49 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

4) he’s a liberal....which leads to many more unsavory deducing


75 posted on 04/12/2007 9:16:30 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

many = much


76 posted on 04/12/2007 9:16:52 AM PDT by pissant
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To: areafiftyone
Your Outlook Reminder
Your Starvation Nation meeting today at the
Greater China "All-You-Can-Eat" Buffet 5pm, meeting begins 6pm.
Democrat Socialists of America guest of honor will speak.

77 posted on 04/12/2007 9:17:01 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Martin Luther King Jr. would be so proud of these people today huh?" -- FReeper Just sayin)
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To: Mr. Brightside
PLEASE READ IT CORRECTLY

"Indeed, I do detect among some who accept the most recent intellectual fads a disdain for those who share in the more orthodox faiths, whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim. In my humble opinion -- and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge -- that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity."

78 posted on 04/12/2007 9:17:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

That would be ideal. However, since, unfortunately legalized abortion is the law of the land, and not something a president can just do away with, the abortion fight is more apporpriate for the courts. So, I’m picking my battle - and my top priority right now is the survival of this nation.

Making abortion illegal is all fine and good, but totally useless if we have no country left.

But that’s just this man’s opinion.


79 posted on 04/12/2007 9:18:15 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Corrected. Thank you.


80 posted on 04/12/2007 9:20:45 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; dirtboy; Mr. Brightside
How can you argue with this statement? “In my humble opinion — and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge — that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity.””

I find little there to argue with. The Bible clearly says pride contributes to unbelief.

But, if anyone says it's arrogant to have no doubts about one's own beliefs, I'd have to say he's wrong.

81 posted on 04/12/2007 9:21:17 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Peach

I see a knee-jerk sensitivity in the fact that they can’t even understand Rudy’s statement of support of religion, as posed in the topic of the thread.


82 posted on 04/12/2007 9:21:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."

So, "having no doubts" about the existence of our Father in Heaven and in His Son, Jesus Christ, is "arrogance" according to Rudy Giuliani?!! He's calling devout, believing Christians "arrogant".

I have NO DOUBT about God and Jesus Christ. I similarly have NO DOUBT that Giuliani is a flaming liberal. Call me arrogant.

83 posted on 04/12/2007 9:22:02 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

Understandable.

When it comes to courts, however, I wouldn’t trust Giuliani on that matter. And should the Islamic terrorists come en masse over here, RKBA will be the dam by which we ward off the flood.

I do not trust Rudy on RKBA.


84 posted on 04/12/2007 9:22:04 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

"From my statement posted to FR's home page many moons ago:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

If you can't figure out my answer to Rudy, you're lacking an important understanding of FReep."

340 posted on 03/04/2007 2:44:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson


85 posted on 04/12/2007 9:22:21 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Meow.)
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

Good thinking. Maybe now you’ll get behind the most seasoned expert in military affairs and warfare for CIC, instead of a liberal mayor.


86 posted on 04/12/2007 9:23:05 AM PDT by pissant
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To: newgeezer
...But, if anyone says it's arrogant to have no doubts about one's own beliefs, I'd have to say he's wrong.

I believe most people have doubts. To say differently says we're not human.

87 posted on 04/12/2007 9:23:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

IMAGINE
NO GIULIANI

88 posted on 04/12/2007 9:23:35 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: newgeezer
....Maybe I'm missing something but, I see little justification for the tone of your response.

Forgive me.

89 posted on 04/12/2007 9:25:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: msnimje

Sorry, I forgot to use very small words for Rudi supporters.

Rudi is a very bad Catholic. He is a bad husband and a bad father. He is very public. This makes Catholics look bad.
_________

Really? That Rudy behaves as he does has absolutely no bearing on what I think of Catholics or Catholicism. He is human, thereby flawed. That is not the fault of his religion, nor does it have any negative backwash on the religion itself, or its other adherents. But that’s just me.


90 posted on 04/12/2007 9:25:22 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rich! Who made you the dictator of what can be discussed?

You truly are losing it.

91 posted on 04/12/2007 9:27:43 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I trust Hillary and Obama even less on the RTKABA...


92 posted on 04/12/2007 9:29:23 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What is clear from the sum of Giuliani’s thoughts about many subjects is that he is an intellectual. That he thinks. That he doesn’t respond to issues like a Pavlovian dog panting for the voter’s and the critics’ rewards.

His worst “sin”, is that he makes an assumption that is unappreciated by those who like their politicians to recite knee jerk bromides- that his listeners- and potential voters- are intelligent, are open to ideas, and are intellectually curious.

What makes him unique is that he combines that intellect with a streetwise highly competent ability to lead and to govern.


93 posted on 04/12/2007 9:29:44 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

LOL...


94 posted on 04/12/2007 9:30:24 AM PDT by veronica
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To: StAnDeliver

Well, thank you for that. When you get moderator powers, or otherwise put in charge of ferreting out Heretics, let me know.


95 posted on 04/12/2007 9:30:28 AM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace
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To: Sabramerican

And that will leave Hillary in a lot of hurt.


96 posted on 04/12/2007 9:31:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GenuineChocolateFace

Can you imagine the gall of that man to suggest that people should have the freedom to choose to believe or not to believe? LOL ;)


97 posted on 04/12/2007 9:31:40 AM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: areafiftyone; Cincinatus' Wife
“Its a shame this post will be corrupted soon. Oh wait... it already has been...”

Yep, it all began with post #1. This filthy liberal propaganda continues to corrupt this FR forum hour after hour from some of the most dedicated liberals in America.

Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals...not now...not ever!

98 posted on 04/12/2007 9:31:54 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: Sabramerican

You need the Barf alert on that one.....here....I have a baby wipe to clean the brown off the end of your nose.

lol


99 posted on 04/12/2007 9:32:20 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: dmw
...This filthy liberal propaganda continues to corrupt this FR forum hour after hour from some of the most dedicated liberals in America....

Since when did this stop being a discussion board and start being the land of the lock-step?

100 posted on 04/12/2007 9:33:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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