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News from the Long War, Thread 4
Various | 4/15/07 | Knitting a Conundrum and Others

Posted on 04/15/2007 6:02:06 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum

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Thread 4



Since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, our nation has fought a global war against violent extremists who use terrorism as their weapon of choice, and who seek to destroy our free way of life. Our enemies seek weapons of mass destruction and, if they are successful, will likely attempt to use them in their conflict with free people everywhere. Currently, the struggle is centered in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we will need to be prepared and arranged to successfully defend our nation and its interests around the globe for years to come. DOD

Our enemies include all the Muslims who dream of knocking Western Civilization off its perch atop humanity’s dung heap. Islam is fractured into any number of sects, tribes and ethnic groups, but the dream of destroying us cuts across all the fault lines. Islamic terrorists are merely the tip of a very large spear.

J. Peter Mulhern, the American Thinker, September 18

The determination behind that fight is real, the hatred is real, and the excuses for doing this are very real in the minds of those who have decided to walk that path. We can respond in two ways: Try to ignore or negotiate with people who do not want to negotiate in good faith, because what they want is our destruction, or to stand up against the darkness of those who see all of us, our way of life, our culture and our aspirations as something worth eliminating.

Either: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Or: "With vigilance, determination, courage, we will defeat the enemies of freedom, and we will leave behind a more peaceful world for our children and our grandchildren." GW Bush.

Here's where I will post news and info about the Long War. Let me know if you're interested.

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To: Uncle Ike
No Paris, where in the world did you find it? heh heh heh

Looks like Fatah al-Islam is tucking tail - the top guys get out before the bottom guys know they've lost.

3,801 posted on 06/10/2007 2:42:23 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

” the top guys get out before the bottom guys know they’ve lost. “

Yup — the “We’re gonna fight to the last” crowd has been bugging out since, about, day-one....

And the Lebanese have been pretty good at catching ‘em and ‘disposing’ of ‘em on the run....


3,802 posted on 06/10/2007 2:52:16 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike
Hizbullah rearming under UN's nose, experts say
p> Ynetnews
Published: 06.10.07, 07:21 / Israel News

Hizbullah has built a network of underground military bunkers near the Israel-Lebanon border under the feet of UN forces, the Sunday Times reported. Excerpt Full Text

But of course we already know this :)

3,803 posted on 06/10/2007 3:04:39 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen; Bahbah

” Hizbullah rearming under UN’s nose, “

The other day, Bahbah posted a story about how the Lebanese army had intercepted a Hezbollah arms convoy in southern Lebanon...

They ‘confiscated’ the weapons and (are you ready for this?) let the Hezzies *go*.....


3,804 posted on 06/10/2007 3:29:38 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike
..."let the Hezzies *go*....."

hmmmmm. Lebanon mmay be trying to stave off war with Syria until the get finished up Al Islam.

Just a thought.

3,805 posted on 06/10/2007 3:38:37 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: Uncle Ike

After all, Hezzies ain’t much without their weapons.


3,806 posted on 06/10/2007 3:39:44 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: Uncle Ike

I was surprised that there was a story that said they confiscated the weapons.

What do you guys think about all of these stories of a war against Israel this summer. I mean other than the usual bedeviling that they are always up to.


3,807 posted on 06/10/2007 4:12:42 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Bahbah

” What do you guys think about all of these stories of a war against Israel this summer. “

The more cynical part of me notes that Jpost runs stories along these lines every couple of months or so — smoke, but not a whole lot of fire....

On the other hand, I’ve made no secret of my belief that general war in the ME is inevitable, and that the longer it’s delayed, the worse it will be....


3,808 posted on 06/10/2007 4:17:29 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Bahbah

Oh...

Good morning, Bahbah!!!


3,809 posted on 06/10/2007 4:17:58 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike

Good morning :)

That’s been my quandry as well. Lots of crying wolf. But the wolf is real.


3,810 posted on 06/10/2007 4:23:05 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Bahbah

” Lots of crying wolf. But the wolf is real. “

Yep...

It’s only a matter of time until someone over there miscalculates, and sends the whole unbalanced mess spiralling out of control....


3,811 posted on 06/10/2007 4:25:36 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Bahbah; Uncle Ike
Morning BB.

Ike is right about the smoke but I think its more "one up man ship" between nations.

Iran says blah and then Israel HAS to say blah blah and Syria just has to blah blah blah. Each is escalated in tone and scope.

Big problem is, THEY MEAN IT.

I have to agree with Ike on his second statement, general war in the ME is inevitable.

3,812 posted on 06/10/2007 4:30:43 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: Uncle Ike
"It’s only a matter of time until someone over there miscalculates, and sends the whole unbalanced mess spiralling out of control...."

I think Ahmanutjob is unbalanced enough to do it.

3,813 posted on 06/10/2007 4:38:25 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Yup...that is pretty much it. Matter of time.

IDF, keep your engines ready.


3,814 posted on 06/10/2007 4:39:23 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Uncle Ike
Iran warns US: your Mideast bases are within our missile's range afp ^ | 6/9/07 | afp Posted on 06/10/2007 7:35:22 AM EDT by Flavius TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran has warned that US military bases in the Middle East are within the range of its missiles, amid increasing tensions with Washington over the Iranian nuclear programme, media reported Sunday. "All the American bases in the region are within the reach of our weapons," said Mohammad Baqer Zolghadr, the deputy interior minister in charge of security issues. "If the United States attacked Iran, US interests would be in danger everywhere in the world," added Zolghadr, a former deputy chief of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards. (Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...

HERE YA GO

3,815 posted on 06/10/2007 4:40:04 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: Bahbah

Not just Israel but it looks like Lebanon wants it’s country back also.


3,816 posted on 06/10/2007 4:41:18 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

” HERE YA GO “

Heard an earlier report on FNC (no FR source for it, yet) that the Iranians had grabbed yet another Iranian-American ‘activist’, bringing the total to 4, I think....

Not counting the ‘former FBI’ guy that disappeared there back in March... (Saw a report that Iran is “denying any knowledge” of this one....)

Factor in the 15 Brits of last month, and Iranian arms and ‘advisors’ in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I begin to wonder if there is *any* level of provocation that would prompt a response from our feckless leadership....


3,817 posted on 06/10/2007 4:48:16 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
"All the American bases in the region are within the reach of our weapons,"

Foolish people with big mouths.

3,818 posted on 06/10/2007 4:48:54 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Uncle Ike
Iran (Islam) knows the free western world places value on human life whereas Iran (Islam) does not. They try to use this to apply advantage over us as a tool of war.

We can expect more of the same.

3,819 posted on 06/10/2007 4:56:58 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: Bahbah
"Foolish people with big mouths."

I agree. He is foolish but He will push and probe as far as he can.

3,820 posted on 06/10/2007 4:59:14 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: Uncle Ike

Well, gang —

Time to go to work....

Have a WONDERFUL day!!!!

****trail of breadcrumbs****


3,821 posted on 06/10/2007 5:46:21 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike

Lebanese Troops Fight Abssi Terrorists with Bayonets and Daggers
Naharnet.com ^ | 6/10/07

Lebanese troops have pierced into the last stronghold of Fatah al-Islam terrorists in the northern refugee camp of Nahr al-Bared fighting Syria’s allies with bayonets and daggers.

At least five soldiers were “martyred” in the face-to-face confrontation Saturday while 20 terrorists were killed. The daily an-Nahar reported ferocious confrontations in the camp to finish off the Fatah al-Islam gang, headed by Jordanian-Palestinian Shaker al-Abssi.

It quoted unnamed security sources as saying fighters from all the factions affiliated with Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime are taking part with Abssi terrorists in confronting the army at Nahr al-Bared. An-Nahar also said security forces busted suspected terrorist hideouts in north Lebanon’s Zghorta province and arrested an undisclosed number of suspects, including two Syrian men. The region is a traditional stronghold for Suleiman Franjieh’s pro-Syrian Marada Movement.

Meanwhile, Maronite Bishops have called for the formation of a national unity government based on a joint policy plan accepted by the various political factions to end the nation’s ongoing power struggle. The bishops, in a statement released Saturday, also stressed on the necessity of holding presidential elections according to constitutional schedule. The call Saturday was welcomed by leaders of the March 14 majority alliance.

Mediation efforts to broker a peaceful end to the three-week confrontation have suffered a setback. One of the mediators said that their mission was being complicated by the disappearance of senior commanders among the militants. On a mission into Nahr al-Bared on Friday afternoon, they were only able to meet the militants’ spokesman, Shahine Shahine, mediator Sheikh Fathi Yakan said. “Something is going on within Fatah al-Islam ranks,” the cleric said. “Their leaders are no longer visible. We were only able to meet a junior official while their top leaders like Shaker Abssi … aren’t talking.”

Meanwhile, France announced on Friday that it was willing to chair informal fence-mending talks between the March 14 majority alliance and the Syrian-backed Hizbullah-led opposition. French envoy Jean-Claude Cousseran, a former ambassador to Syria, is due in Beirut on Sunday to prepare for the talks. He is to meet Premier Fouad Saniora and other officials.

Link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1847854/posts#comment


3,822 posted on 06/10/2007 6:16:37 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Bahbah
Meanwhile, France announced on Friday that it was willing to chair informal fence-mending talks between the March 14 majority alliance and the Syrian-backed Hizbullah-led opposition.

Given the change in France's government, this might actually be of some help.

3,823 posted on 06/10/2007 6:18:20 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Bahbah

Even with the boot the extreme left got, they are still pretty far left.


3,824 posted on 06/10/2007 6:55:27 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
Even with the boot the extreme left got, they are still pretty far left.

Possibly, but Chirac was just a plain criminal who, in addition, would try to get any result that was opposite of what the US might want. I think Sarkozy is worlds better than that.

3,825 posted on 06/10/2007 6:57:44 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Bahbah

Good point.


3,826 posted on 06/10/2007 7:02:08 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Coffee is on and news is gettin old :)


3,827 posted on 06/11/2007 12:56:44 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Good morning, Workerbee...

Early-early work day this morning — double-strength coffee this morning... ;~)

Haven’t seen anything “newsy” yet this morning....


3,828 posted on 06/11/2007 1:11:56 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike

I noticed that - calm before the storm? Or Monday morning blahs?


3,829 posted on 06/11/2007 1:13:28 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

” calm before the storm? Or Monday morning blahs? “

Maybe it’s the ‘calm before the Monday morning blahs’....


3,830 posted on 06/11/2007 1:16:08 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike

I missed pookies ping by 12 whole seconds - I’m sleeping.


3,831 posted on 06/11/2007 1:17:48 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: Uncle Ike

Have a FANTABULOUS day, everybody!!

****trail of breadcrumbs****


3,832 posted on 06/11/2007 2:25:44 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Bad News,,,

http://www.yahoo.com/s/601708

BAGHDAD - The suicide explosion that destroyed a vital bridge outside the Iraqi capital killed three American soldiers guarding the span over a main highway, the U.S. military said Monday, as bulldozers worked to clear the shattered concrete.

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An Iraqi interpreter also was wounded in the attack Sunday on the overpass on the Iraqi capital’s main north-south artery. As rescuers climbed over the debris, U.S. armored vehicles provided cover fire from their cannons after the bombing, which occurred in the area dubbed the “triangle of death” for its frequent Sunni insurgent attacks.


3,833 posted on 06/11/2007 9:01:22 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Prayers for our guys.

Curses for theirs.

spit

3,834 posted on 06/11/2007 10:08:52 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Roger-That,,,No word yet what unit...


3,835 posted on 06/11/2007 10:26:05 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Howdy, CM. Long time, no “see”. Multiple explosions today in Turkey and one in downtown Nairobi near the site of the embassy bombings (’98).


3,836 posted on 06/11/2007 11:39:47 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: unionblue83

Howdy,,,Great to see ya’,,,The Kurds must be gittin’ some
“Pay-Back”,,,time for Kenya to take out the trash...;0)


3,837 posted on 06/11/2007 12:08:32 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Been out doing family weddings, just stopped by to catch up on the latest...


3,838 posted on 06/11/2007 1:33:22 PM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (I'm rapidly running out of reasons to consider a democrat as a citizen of the same country.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

Hey there,,,lots of “here and there” in the news,,,
Ain’t much good...


3,839 posted on 06/11/2007 1:54:11 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Howdy CM.


3,840 posted on 06/11/2007 2:39:59 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
Hey WB,,,Hope your havin’ a Great Day,,,been goin’
round-n-round here,,,monkeyed in the Control Panel on this puter and got it to go dormant !! Didn’t even use the hammer
this time...;0)
3,841 posted on 06/11/2007 2:47:24 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
ya get more satisfaction with a .45 :) but it don't help. Pretty tough on me today - but OK.

The VISTA control panel is terrible thing. I don't mess with my control panel and I hope it don't mess with me.

3,842 posted on 06/11/2007 3:01:33 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Ain’t doing VISTA no way no how!!! not until service pack 2 at least..


3,843 posted on 06/11/2007 6:17:35 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: All
Hello?

Anybody up yet?

3,844 posted on 06/12/2007 12:46:06 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: markman46

VISTA ain’t so bad once you blow away the factory pre-load and re-install from your backup disk.


3,845 posted on 06/12/2007 12:59:46 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

” Anybody up yet? “

Good morning, Workerbee...

Just ‘punching in’ for now — gotta get some caffiene in me — at least enough for the letters on the screen to stop running together......


3,846 posted on 06/12/2007 2:01:33 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike

LOL -Good morning Ike.


3,847 posted on 06/12/2007 2:45:25 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Good morning (again) Workerbee...

‘twixt watching FNC for some two hours, and reading the headlines deemed appropriate - important enough - for the FR main board, I find that everything I have to say is summed up in my tagline......

It’s not often that I see such a case of collective myopia, denial, and just plain banality....

Nero and his fiddle got nothin’ on the American consciousness......


3,848 posted on 06/12/2007 3:18:31 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike
I agree - though totally baffled.

I still have to believe that if most Americans could be shown that they are being played like said fiddle, they would be angered.

3,849 posted on 06/12/2007 3:30:46 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

” I still have to believe that if most Americans could be shown that they are being played like said fiddle, they would be angered. “

I’d like to agree with you - I really would...

Unfortunately, I have reached the dismal conclusion that the majority of us *want* to be “kept in the dark and fed bullsh[t”, because it’s just too *hard* to face the dark truth.....

(Case in point — on the Cavuto rerun this morning, Neil was holding forth in defense of high gas prices, and he said, “Yes, gas prices have been going up, but baked-goods prices have been going up all along, too, and you don’t hear me complaining...” -—— “MAKE THE CONNECTION, CAVUTO!!” was what I was literally screaming at the TV... I get so frustrated, sometimes..... )

;~)


3,850 posted on 06/12/2007 3:41:58 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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