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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: Lancey Howard

CNN running cell phone footage now - you can hear shots being fired all over.


751 posted on 04/16/2007 10:00:44 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: shoedog

“Lined up students and shot them.”

Man, if I was in a line and the dude started shooting, I wouldn’t stay in line. Run, attack him, whatever is a better chance for survival than staying in line.


752 posted on 04/16/2007 10:00:48 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: TomGuy
So according to that photo, some suspect was "taken into custody."

And then they report one shooter dead?

Who's the "suspect" in the photo?

753 posted on 04/16/2007 10:00:53 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Tax-chick

One of the PRINTABLE comments from a lib-infested message board:

“You don’t get this on Liberals Arts campuses
(2 Ratings) 7 minutes ago
Too much making love and smoking pot for that kind of violence.”


754 posted on 04/16/2007 10:01:38 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: libtoken

Virginia Tech does have a Corps of Cadets. We used them at Radford Army Ammunition Plant for some events.


755 posted on 04/16/2007 10:01:41 AM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: libtoken; Terabitten

Virginia Tech also has a Corps of Cadets.


756 posted on 04/16/2007 10:01:58 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: Chickensoup
what are they carrying in the top photo

A victim or body.
757 posted on 04/16/2007 10:02:13 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: milford421

Wonder how many people would peg Malaysian, Indonesian, Thai, or Philippino as Asian? (Most, I suspect). Yet all of hese countries have lots of Moslems. And there are other “oriental” looking people who are Moslem as well.

But there are plenty of Asians who are Christian, Buddhist, and a variety of other faiths.

Can’t necessarily tell a person’s faith from their look.


758 posted on 04/16/2007 10:02:15 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jdm

Yes, it does make sense.

However, something doesn’t fit here...

Earlier reports suggested another gunman who was arrested, and too much time seems to have been taken in between the first shooting and the larger masacre.

Something isn’t connecting.


759 posted on 04/16/2007 10:02:37 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: libtoken
Virginia Tech has a Corps of Cadets as well (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Corps_of_Cadets). The University started life as the Virginia Agricultural and Mechanical Institute in 1872, and has a distinctly military flavor in its architecture.
760 posted on 04/16/2007 10:02:40 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: vaudine
Turned out to be a Vietnam vet
Well, that explains that doesn't it? Oh, except Whitman wasn't a 'Nam vet.
But I am and I deeply resent your perpetuation of the stereotype.
761 posted on 04/16/2007 10:02:55 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Many times in hostage situatuions, the police will put everyone in handcuffs until they can ascertain who’s who..or that one of the perps isn’t trying to sneek out with he victims..


762 posted on 04/16/2007 10:03:17 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: jdm
The reason I don’t think today’s massacre is terrorism: a terrorist wouldn’t stop up at the President’s office to kill him first, and then go after students (if indeed there is only one shooter).

A single terrorist might not, but a group might want to disrupt a co-ördinated response by creating confusion and removing top responders.

763 posted on 04/16/2007 10:03:51 AM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Quite serious. About 19 dead in two engineering classrooms.


764 posted on 04/16/2007 10:03:51 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: jdm

I was assuming Fatima’s post about the College Pres getting shot was a typo. Is it really the case?


765 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:05 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: retrokitten

>That’s interesting. At most universities campus police are a joke.<

Not the case at all.Most major Universities have sworn well trained officers.The university of Georgia has had a professional force for 40 years.


766 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:12 AM PDT by Blessed
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To: null and void

ARABS are Asians.

But as somebody else said, until the killer or killers are identified, people are only jumping to conclusions.

If there were two separate sites involved, its unlikley one shooter was involved, but not impossible.


767 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:20 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Terabitten

Thanks for the information.


768 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:22 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: milford421

How come he has so much ammo if he just wanted his gilfriend?


769 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:23 AM PDT by mommya
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To: LexHoskin

SCANNER chatter:

Something about a shotgun in a green vehicle in the visitor’s area.


770 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: tcrlaf

Right, only engineering or business students shoot people. (/jeez)

I think it’s safe to assume that the Christian religion doesn’t have much to do with this massacre.


771 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There is no such thing as death for a Christian who believes in the Resurrection." ~ Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: CJ Wolf; All

Gun bill gets shot down by panel

HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito
APRIL 16 (!!!)
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn’t get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill’s defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”


772 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:50 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: SubGeniusX

I’m just getting caught up..I heard the univ pres say that there were TWO separate incidents..is this confirmed?


773 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:50 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: jdm

FOX reported earlier that the first person killed was described as “elderly.”


So could just about any number of people on just about any college campus. No need to speculate about something so broad.


774 posted on 04/16/2007 10:05:06 AM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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To: TomGuy

Vehicle on the grass at the Visitors area.


775 posted on 04/16/2007 10:05:49 AM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: tcrlaf

I hate to break it to the DUmmies, but VT is liberal to the core, its Cadets notwithstanding.


776 posted on 04/16/2007 10:06:03 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: dinoparty

Here we go. Press Conference at White House, reporters asking for need for stricter gun laws


777 posted on 04/16/2007 10:06:04 AM PDT by shoedog
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To: ko_kyi
Run, attack him, whatever is a better chance for survival than staying in line.

Instinct usually forces submission in a situation like that. I don't fully understand why.

778 posted on 04/16/2007 10:06:15 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: milford421

I agree, it doesn’t make sense: One shooter arrested this a.m., then another shooter dead later?

Which one was the “asian”?

Were there two shooters? Why are all the schools in the town still locked down? Sounds like they don’t know if there are other shooters...


779 posted on 04/16/2007 10:06:26 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Frank_2001
In our area near DC we have had problems with not just Hispanic gangs but also violent Asian home invasion gangs. I don't know if that problem also exists around Virginia Tech - BTW, a good school.

I find this story very depressing and just switched off the TV. Prayers for the families.

780 posted on 04/16/2007 10:06:39 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: milford421

indeed, the timeline does not make sense - the same gunmen traveled across the campus and couldn’t be found for 2 hours, and then went to the next place to start the shooting spree?


781 posted on 04/16/2007 10:06:45 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: AppyPappy

The Only scheduling I could find for room 205 was on Tues and Thurs... ESM 5344
Wave Propagation in Solids
Spring 2007

CRN#: 15437, Time: 8:00 - 9:15 am, T-Th

Bldg: Norris Hall, Room: 205 http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM5344/ESM5344_Gen.html


782 posted on 04/16/2007 10:06:49 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

“Can’t necessarily tell a person’s faith from their look.”

You are quite correct.


783 posted on 04/16/2007 10:07:03 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: ken5050

Is this confirmed?

Gunman kills 21 on Virginia Tech campus before being killed

By The Associated Press

Injured occupants are carried out of Norris Hall at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., Monday, April 16, 2007. Shootings in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech resulted in multiple fatalities, police say.

The Associated Press
2007-04-16 11:45:00

BLACKSBURG, Va. — A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people and wounding another 21 before he was killed, police said.

“Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions,” said university president Charles Steger.

The university reported shootings at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building.

One student was killed in a dorm and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed and classes canceled through Tuesday.

“There’s just a lot of commotion. It’s hard to tell exactly what’s going on,” said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.

Come back to ArkanasOnline as this story develops.


784 posted on 04/16/2007 10:07:14 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If you're conservative, then support a conservative candidate. Support Duncan Hunter for POTUS.)
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To: libtoken
Virginia Military Institute has the cadet corps. Virginia Tech is the university with an engineering focus. Two different schools.

I beg to differ. I was a member of the Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets, E-94.

VMI also has a cadet corps, but Tech's coexists beside the school's civilian population.

785 posted on 04/16/2007 10:07:23 AM PDT by Terabitten (How is there no anger in the words I hear, only love and mercy, erasing every fear" - Rez Band)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Where else is a homicidal maniac, especially in the south, likely to find 30 or 40 thousand victims in one place with the assurance that few if any of them are armed? “Gun-free zone” whiners have blood on their hands.

Unfortunately, you are entirely correct. However, it wouldn't make much difference even had it not been in force. The high school curriculums and the overwhelming majority of high school educators are intent in producing sheep for the slaughter. Maybe I'm biased working as I do for the 4th largest school district in the nation these last 17 years and the last twelve in the inner city. My fight has been to try and counter that in my students. To make them think, choose to see all sides of all issues and make informed decisions according to their own values and all the facts and not to just swallow the pabulum fed them by a liberal educational establishment, nationwide. It's a losing battle, trust me. I teach seniors. Trying to overcome the cumulative effects of eleven previous years of mental programming is impossible. That's why my wife (also a high school teacher...but with 31 years in the classroom to my 17) and I are seriously preparing to retire within 4 years. Paying off debts and making wise investments. We're in good shape and on schedule to leave it all behind.

Wow, the press is already grilling the White House spokesman on the President's stance on gun control. That didn't take long.

786 posted on 04/16/2007 10:07:28 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ken5050

1 dead in Ambler Johnson Dorms, 20 Dead in Norris hall. This is at the least, there may be more.


787 posted on 04/16/2007 10:07:36 AM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: dinoparty

The president of Tech was not shot. He was just on Fox News...


788 posted on 04/16/2007 10:07:48 AM PDT by utvolsfan13
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To: All

Is this confirmed by other sources?

Gunman kills 21 on Virginia Tech campus before being killed

By The Associated Press

Injured occupants are carried out of Norris Hall at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., Monday, April 16, 2007. Shootings in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech resulted in multiple fatalities, police say.

The Associated Press
2007-04-16 11:45:00

BLACKSBURG, Va. — A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people and wounding another 21 before he was killed, police said.

“Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions,” said university president Charles Steger.

The university reported shootings at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building.

One student was killed in a dorm and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed and classes canceled through Tuesday.

“There’s just a lot of commotion. It’s hard to tell exactly what’s going on,” said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.

Come back to ArkanasOnline as this story develops.


789 posted on 04/16/2007 10:07:52 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If you're conservative, then support a conservative candidate. Support Duncan Hunter for POTUS.)
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To: dinoparty; jdm; fatima

Dr. Steger was not shot.


790 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:14 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: jdm
What would a professor be doing in a dorm?

Personally tutoring some 19 year old?

At 7AM on a Monday morning? I doubt it.

That's cute -- naive -- but cute


791 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:18 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Blessed

And that’s why I said MOST and not ALL.


792 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:20 AM PDT by retrokitten (These pretzels are making me thirsty!)
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To: shoedog

Word on campus is the death toll is going over 30.


793 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:28 AM PDT by LexHoskin
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To: ZULU

You say Asian to an American, he visualizes something vaguely Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/Japanese.

You say Asian to a person from the UK, he sees Indian Subcontinent and such types.

I don’t think most US folks think of that when they hear the word Asian. Lots of US have trouble telling the difference between Hispanic and Arab, for that matter...more likely to say he was hispanic than Asian for a person who looked like he was from Pakistan or Iraq or Saudi Arabia.


794 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:33 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jdm

There are no confirmed reports that the Univ President was a shooting victim.

I think he was giving statements earlier today.
795 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:49 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: retrokitten

You are SO RIGHT. Both of my kids attend VA schools and I have had the opportunity because of situations on their campus to inquire of the emergency managers as to whether the schools had any kind of emergency plans and guess what.....they didn’t. It makes me sick! With populations of thousands of students....they need to sit down and do risk assessment and planning for every conceivable situation.


796 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:51 AM PDT by applpie
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To: ZULU
This will get really confused for the next couple of hours as students ring home and relay what they saw, some of which will get posted on the internet and will be contradictory by other eye witnesses and official statements.

I'll pray for the victms, pray that nothing else happens and wait a few hours for it to get sorted out.

797 posted on 04/16/2007 10:08:53 AM PDT by AU72
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To: LexHoskin

I live right across the street from the campus. This place was crawling with police and ambulances.

I have been completly freaked out all morning. When they said the gunman was loose I armed myself with a knife and kept my eyes on the windows. What a horrible tragedy for me personally. Blacksburg will never be the same from now on.


798 posted on 04/16/2007 10:09:07 AM PDT by FoxPro (I love bacon.)
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To: tcrlaf
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

I wonder what Larry will have to say today.
799 posted on 04/16/2007 10:09:14 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: murdoog

“I think since the word “oriental” became politically incorrect, “asian” has replaced it. In other words, I think this is someone that in less PC times would have been called oriental”

But didn’t the description say six feet tall?


800 posted on 04/16/2007 10:09:28 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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