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Killer's Note: 'You Caused Me to Do This'
ABC News ^ | 4/17/07

Posted on 04/17/2007 9:51:27 AM PDT by areafiftyone

April 17, 2007 — Cho Seung-Hui, the 23-year-old student who killed 32 people and then himself yesterday, left a long and "disturbing" note in his dorm room at Virginia Tech, say law enforcement sources.

Sources have now described the note, which runs several pages, as beginning in the present tense and then shifting to the past tense. It contains rhetoric explaining Cho's actions and says, "You caused me to do this," the sources told ABC News.

Sources say Cho killed two people in a dorm room, returned to his own dorm room where he re-armed and left the note, then went to a classroom building on the other side of campus. There, he killed 30 more people in four classrooms before shooting himself in the head.

Cho, born in South Korea, was a legal resident alien of the United States. He was a senior at Virginia Tech, majoring in English.

Sources tell ABC News Cho bought his first gun, a Glock 9 millimeter handgun, on March 13; they say he bought his second weapon, a .22 caliber pistol, within the last week. The serial numbers on both guns had been filed off, they said.

Authorities found the receipt for the 9 millimeter handgun in his backpack. They say it also contained two knives and additional ammunition for the two guns.

Legal permanent resident aliens may purchase firearms in the state of Virginia. A resident alien must, however, provide additional identification to prove he or she is a resident of the state.

Sections of chain similar to those used to lock the main doors at Norris Hall, the site of the second shooting that left 31 dead, were also found inside a Virginia Tech dormitory, sources confirmed to ABC News.


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To: Trust but Verify
Look,
I was raised in a house were COMMUNISM was the threat. Everyday-— the communists were behind something.

Desegregation, women’s rights, fluoridation of water, pantyhose, microwave ovens.... You name it, THEY did it.

Finally it was like “Geez, they sure do a lot of stuff and all you do is whine!”

A day like today is like goin' home ;) ~~sniffle~~

151 posted on 04/17/2007 11:12:02 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

OMG! What a sick kid!


152 posted on 04/17/2007 11:12:20 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Veto!
terrorist and sick seem synonyms to me.
153 posted on 04/17/2007 11:12:45 AM PDT by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: mysterio

Did I mention that my cat has fleas? I’m sure they have something to do with that also!


154 posted on 04/17/2007 11:13:03 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: najida

You have my sympathy.


155 posted on 04/17/2007 11:13:17 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: areafiftyone

Brainwashed by the endless grievance theater of victimhood from his teachers. Always always blame others.


156 posted on 04/17/2007 11:14:07 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: 3AngelaD

Until we see more information, you’re grasping at straws.


157 posted on 04/17/2007 11:15:49 AM PDT by Truth-The Anti Spin
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To: 3AngelaD

My wild guess is that “Ismail Ax” is some moniker he used in an online game. Or some bizarre protagonist of his creative writing.


158 posted on 04/17/2007 11:16:46 AM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: Truth-The Anti Spin

There’s enough straw grasping going on around here to fill a barn.


159 posted on 04/17/2007 11:17:15 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: tkathy
Exactly. Did you read about the Israeli professor who saved the lives of some of the kids? TRUE HERO! Israeli professor killed in US attack This story had me sobbing up a storm this morning!
160 posted on 04/17/2007 11:18:10 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: ER_in_OC,CA

I’d say that’s a pretty good wild guess. The connection with Islam is very thin at best. Sometimes people over-think things or are too clever by half. Your guess is better than most.


161 posted on 04/17/2007 11:18:39 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: najida
No kidding.

We simply don't have all of the facts that the investigators do. And none of us has superior information to make a judgement as to what was going on in this nut's head before the police do.
162 posted on 04/17/2007 11:20:25 AM PDT by Lusis ("Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.")
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To: All

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172007/news/nationalnews/va__tech_killer_revealed_nationalnews_.htm

Sources told the Tribune that the words “ISMAIL AX” were also found written in red ink on the inside of one of Cho’s arms.

The reference may be to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham, where God commands the patriarch to sacrifice his own son. Abraham begins to comply, but God intervenes at the last moment to save the boy.

In the Jewish and Christian traditions, the son is Isaac, father of the Jewish people; in Islam, it is his brother, Ismail (Ishmael in Hebrew).

Abraham uses a knife in most versions of the story, but some accounts have him wielding an ax.

A more obscure reference may be to a passage in the Koran referring to Abraham’s destruction of pagan idols; in some accounts, he uses an ax to do so.


163 posted on 04/17/2007 11:20:35 AM PDT by maggief
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To: najida

Move on to another barn then


164 posted on 04/17/2007 11:21:33 AM PDT by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: not2worry

You first!


165 posted on 04/17/2007 11:22:14 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: dfwgator
LOL.

The sad thing is that many people here will probably cite this as "evidence" that the crime was motivated by some Islamic connection.

166 posted on 04/17/2007 11:22:35 AM PDT by cdbull23 ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back." - Homer on what's good to drink.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Charles Bishop (Bishra)
A note written by the 15-year-old boy who crashed a Cessna into a Tampa office building indicated he supported Osama bin Laden and that the act was deliberate, authorities say.
167 posted on 04/17/2007 11:22:46 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Truth-The Anti Spin

In other words, let’s wait for the media to tell us what’s what. If there’s any Islamist connection here, they’ll be sure to report it.

Like they did with the Trolley Square killer last month.


168 posted on 04/17/2007 11:23:27 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Lusis

I think that’s just it.

We’re expecting logic and patterns in the mind of a madman. It doesn’t exist. Answers won’t be there.

Just a wasteland of chaos. Sadly, that is what the truth probably is....jibberish.


169 posted on 04/17/2007 11:24:01 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: Beckwith

The media didn’t tell us jack about that one, either.


170 posted on 04/17/2007 11:24:02 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Truth-The Anti Spin

I’m not grasping at any straws that I know of straws. I am posting what has been reported elsewhere, and commenting on how it has been edited. As I mentioned earlier, the Moby Dick reference would be the most logical explanation given that he was studying English in college, but we might never know, because this person is dead.


171 posted on 04/17/2007 11:24:53 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: cdbull23
They already are (you’re behind!) ;)

Seriously, the stretching is reaching a crescendo.

172 posted on 04/17/2007 11:25:30 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: cdbull23

If they will, why haven’t they already? C’mon, find an example of one person seriously suggesting it.

What’s sad is the number of people who refuse to acknowledge there’s a war with Islam going on.


173 posted on 04/17/2007 11:25:32 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jveritas

“Yep, they want to ignore the Muslim nickname that he took.”

I missed that. Any links?


174 posted on 04/17/2007 11:26:40 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (A day in the country is better than a week in town.)
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To: areafiftyone

Me too. To think that man lived through the nightmares of the 20th century and then ended up like this, and was saving lives as he died.


175 posted on 04/17/2007 11:27:04 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: najida

Post a link to one post seriously suggesting the word KOREAN has anything to do with the word KORAN. Just one link will do.


176 posted on 04/17/2007 11:27:19 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: ER_in_OC,CA
My wild guess is that “Ismail Ax” is some moniker he used in an online game. Or some bizarre protagonist of his creative writing.

Bah, he wrote it with the opposite hand, it's "Xa Liamsi"....sounds Korean to me...;)

177 posted on 04/17/2007 11:28:26 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: GoLightly

Wow.


178 posted on 04/17/2007 11:28:47 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: 3AngelaD

A generation of heros!


179 posted on 04/17/2007 11:30:37 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
"What’s sad is the number of people who refuse to acknowledge there’s a war with Islam going on."

Who's NOT acknowledging that we're at war? Hey, I'll agree, if people don't acknowledge that, then they have a problem. But acknowledging we're at war is one thing -- playing pin the tail on the donkey and trying to connect the two incidents based on his "Ismail Ax" reference is another.

If REAL evidence comes out that this was motivated by religion, then I say start making the connections. Otherwise, it's silly.

180 posted on 04/17/2007 11:31:00 AM PDT by cdbull23 ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back." - Homer on what's good to drink.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

My post-—
They already are (you’re behind!) (PLEASE NOTE THE WINKY!!!)

;)<<<<<<<<
Seriously, the stretching is reaching a crescendo.—————

I was being very sarcastic. Next time, I’ll post a sarcasm tag. Until then, you’re making my point even clearer than my winky!


181 posted on 04/17/2007 11:31:00 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: the anti-mahdi

OK


182 posted on 04/17/2007 11:32:50 AM PDT by econjack
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To: ArmstedFragg

You mention the perp was found first u[pon entering the building. I’m still thinking about the phone video and sound the Pakistani student sent out from the outside of the building ... and the louder than the internal shots report which caused him to flinsh and say ‘whoa!’ It is reportedc that Cho shot himself in the back of the head ... I wonder, after he was hit by a SWAT round or was he actually killed by the SWAT sniper and the reason his face was gone was because the sniper took the head shot when it presented? There is much that is still not clear and may never be clarified, but the sound from outside the building is still resounding in my memory.


183 posted on 04/17/2007 11:33:05 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: saveliberty

It was reposted somewhere on FR yesterday & I’ve been looking for it, but haven’t found it yet. Someone posted a link to the posting & someone else reposted what the post said. The Feds had already been in to talk to him about the sale. I think he’s in Roanoke (sp).

Guess the gun guy has electronic video that gets overwritten after 35 days & it was a fluke that the footage hadn’t been overwritten, cuz the sale was exactly 35 days earlier.


184 posted on 04/17/2007 11:35:56 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Spiff

I ISLAM AX looks pretty interesting to me.


185 posted on 04/17/2007 11:35:58 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: econjack
what am I missing?

The text of the note. Has anybody seen it?

186 posted on 04/17/2007 11:37:03 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: MHGinTN

I don’t think any of know the precise sequence, but from what I saw, the entry was made by uniformed officers prior to any formal SWAT deployment, so I doubt there was either a sniper involved or a shootout. My guess would be the shooter heard the cavalry coming up the stairs and possibly was low on ammo, and decided to end it before they grabbed him.

I didn’t mean to indicate they found him first. They found him among the victims shortly after they made entry. The point I was making is that he didn’t “run around loose for 8 hours” as some have claimed.


187 posted on 04/17/2007 11:40:29 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Aquinasfan
" Still can't rule out the possibility that he's an American jihadi convert."

Did you read the article? He's a psychopath. The girl killed in the AM was not his g/f. Her ex was in some interrogaiton room at the time of the 2nd shooting. The guy was a loner, no friends noted, his English profs turned hin in to the U counseling service, because of his disturbed writing, and the counseling service determined that he was bizarre. He committed arson in the dorm recently and was otherwise noted as committing hostile acts recently.

Islam has nothing to do with it, other than picking up coincidental pieces of lunacy. He could very well have picked up Chistian characters as elements of his psychosis.

188 posted on 04/17/2007 11:41:25 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: areafiftyone

The Israeli professor is a true hero.

The MSM will ignore him, since he doesn’t fit into their victimhood paradigm.


189 posted on 04/17/2007 11:42:26 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: najida

Every time something like this happens people speculate. They like to try to figure out the unknowns. If it turns out they are wrong, so what. Maybe it’ll turn out they’re right.

If you don’t like such speculation, what ifs and whys then why are you on this thread taking issue with people that do?


190 posted on 04/17/2007 11:45:25 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: 3AngelaD
"As I mentioned earlier, the Moby Dick reference would be the most logical explanation given that he was studying English in college,"

In order for the connection to be the MD char, there must be something about that character that fits the elements of his psychosis. Can you describe the MD character and make the connection?

191 posted on 04/17/2007 11:46:26 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I'm just asking the question.

I suggest you google < ssri mass murder >


192 posted on 04/17/2007 11:48:49 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: areafiftyone
NO he was here since 1992 - he was NOT on a Student visa. He was a permanent resident. That rumor was false.

There have been a lot of false rumors as the MSM trip over each other to outdo the competition. Several Freepers have seen wheels spinning within wheels because certain media outlets that initially reported the "Ismail Ax" moniker, removed the reference from subsequent posts. Maybe, just maybe, they removed the reference to Ismail Ax, not because of PC, but because its not true.

193 posted on 04/17/2007 11:49:18 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: abigailsmybaby

Because it’s fun to make them squirm? :)

Part if it is I hate fear mongers with a passion, and I hate those who hide from the truth or want to create reasons where there are none.


194 posted on 04/17/2007 11:49:35 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: ScreamingFist

Looks like the RPG “Spellforce” includes a powerful “boss” named Ismail. I have no idea if he wields an axe — isn’t there a 20-year old game fanatic on this site to advise on this?

Quite possible that a search of his computer, his writings, or his books will reveal the source of this. Though I’d prefer he not get too much press coverage so that miserable copycats don’t desire such infamy.


195 posted on 04/17/2007 11:49:57 AM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: GoLightly

Holy smokes!


196 posted on 04/17/2007 11:50:19 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: areafiftyone
It's not "Ismail AX", it's "Ismail AK".

Professor Ismail AK,M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey

Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey

He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.

197 posted on 04/17/2007 11:55:32 AM PDT by nonsporting (<P>)
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To: spunkets

If I can answer that question, will you allow me to skip the final and still take home my A?


198 posted on 04/17/2007 11:57:31 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: najida

Maybe you’re the one hiding from the truth. How do you know there are no reasons? Are you an insider on this case?


199 posted on 04/17/2007 11:58:03 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: 3AngelaD
"If I can answer that question, will you allow me to skip the final and still take home my A? "

OK.

200 posted on 04/17/2007 12:00:22 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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