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Cho Seung-Hui's Plays (From his writing class)
AOL ^ | 17 April 2007

Posted on 04/17/2007 7:58:26 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln

AOL News has obtained two plays a classmate says were written by Cho Seung-Hui. Ian MacFarlane, the former classmate and current AOL employee, provided us with the plays. A note from Mr. MacFarlane and links to the works appear below......

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There are links to a couple of plays this sick ba$tard wrote for his class work.
1 posted on 04/17/2007 7:58:29 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln

Watch NBScBSABCPBSCNNTTNandalltherest turn them into a mini series...


2 posted on 04/17/2007 8:01:15 PM PDT by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

This guy was a Senior and his major was English???? How did someone who writes like a 5th grader make it all the way through college, especially if his degree was in English? Wonder what grade he made on these plays?


3 posted on 04/17/2007 8:07:28 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Lando Lincoln

Maybe he was trying to impress the AX Committee?

http://www.axawards.com/axacommittee/index.html

“About the AX Committee

The Asian Excellence Awards Committee is an elite group from a wide range of industries, including the arts and entertainment community, the business community, and prominent figures, who epitomize and have been instrumental in raising the profile and awareness of Asians in the arts and across the industries of film, TV, sports, theater, live performance and popular culture.

Each member of this peer group has achieved positions of leadership in the U.S. and the world in a broad range of professions. With their diverse backgrounds, members collectively pool their strengths and experience to highlight the achievements and talents of Asian Americans.”


4 posted on 04/17/2007 8:08:27 PM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: Lando Lincoln

You can bet that some of the ultra lib theater geeks in NYC and San Fran will be performing these for the shock value.


5 posted on 04/17/2007 8:08:42 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: dawn53
This guy was a Senior and his major was English???? How did someone who writes like a 5th grader make it all the way through college, especially if his degree was in English? Wonder what grade he made on these plays?

Back in the Dark Ages when I was in college, we had about 50 Iranians suddenly enroll. Even back then, they were full of hate and it was very plain they didn't want to be there. They never said hello, never smiled at you in passing, never participated in class, and who knows if they could speak English or write it. The professors were ordered to pass them even if that meant American students failed with the bell curve. This sounds very much like the same.

6 posted on 04/17/2007 8:12:52 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Yeah, but this guy had lived in the States since he was 8 years old. He went to a regular American high school. I don’t think he would be “passed” due to the fact that he was a foreign student (lots of times the foreign students pay so much $$$ because they’re not residents of the state and that is the incentive to keep them in school.) Cho was an in state resident which meant his tuition would be low. Were the standards for writing so low that he was able to pass with such poor writing skills?


7 posted on 04/17/2007 8:18:48 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Lando Lincoln

Why won’t they release the note?


8 posted on 04/17/2007 8:21:06 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: Lando Lincoln; Bulldogger; Big Guy and Rusty 99

I was surprised at how laughably sophmoric this ‘play’ was. Freeper Bulldogger and I were in the same writing workshops in Undergrad, and I can’t think we ever encountered anything this bad and juvenile. But then, we were in college 20 years ago.


9 posted on 04/17/2007 8:28:17 PM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: dawn53
"This guy was a Senior and his major was English???? How did someone who writes like a 5th grader make it all the way through college"

It's called the public school system. Passing into the next grade isn't dependent on your ability to grasp and master the academic work, what determines whether or not you pass to the next grade is the opinion of a "psychologist" (him or herself a emotionally disturbed leftist who studied the theories of another emotionally disturbed leftist professor who has never lived a life outside of a classroom) with absolutely no life skills and experience raising children.

Leaving a student behind a year to better understand the academic work isn't near as important as the emotional humiliation and psychological scars being left behind by his peer group would cause.

I'm sure the grade he received was determined keeping positive reinforcement and confidence building measures in mind so as not to discourage the student and hurt his feelings.

Does that answer satisfy your curiosity? If not I can come up with another that will make you feel more reassured that our children are in capable hands while they attend classes in the public indoctrination education system system... /s

10 posted on 04/17/2007 8:28:48 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Lando Lincoln
Copy of Search Warrant
11 posted on 04/17/2007 8:29:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: tobyhill

Wow - AX! A new interpretation.

I read the McBeef play, and my only reaction was “this is CREATIVE writing?” He didn’t develop any of his characters, provided no reason for the sudden anger and attacks or the premise of the plot. It was as if he included everything he had heard on the news recently without thinking through a context, there also seemed to be deep Catholic hatred. My initial thought was 8th grade (that’s about the age when guys are obsessed with all the stuff he included in there) but maybe you’re right, it is fifth grade. A lot of gross stuff appeared to be there just for the sake of being able to say it.


12 posted on 04/17/2007 8:32:25 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Lando Lincoln
These plays are extremely sad and pathetic/pitiable. The tones he strikes are so miserable. I hate "quoting" his titles, but in Richard McBeef (notice the McDonald's/Wendy's imagery, perhaps indicating low grade standardization) he so perfectly paints a portrait of hating himself for juvenile popular cliches that it is unavoidable to conclude that he may very well self destruct.

He also hits every sexual label in a short meaningless argument (bi-sexual, rapist, pedophile), and the "climax" of the piece is a long speech about how being a truck driver or preschool teacher is a horrific disgrace. Of course there's nothing wrong with either of those two professions, or with digging ditches for a living.

All in all it appears to reveal a sad kid who couldn't get into the popular imagery of his new country, twisted things around in an internal pressure cooker, until his own images took on their own "languages", then BOOM, he snapped.

Sad, I think I can see inside his head. This definitely didn't have to happen, but I don't see how individual mental explosions can ever be universally prevented from happening.
13 posted on 04/17/2007 8:33:39 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: dawn53
How did someone who writes like a 5th grader make it all the way through college, especially if his degree was in English?

With all apologies to freeper English majors, the English department at randog U wasn't known for its great thinkers. It was more of a dumping ground for soon-to-be dropouts.

14 posted on 04/17/2007 8:34:19 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: starbase
All in all it appears to reveal a sad kid who couldn't get into the popular imagery of his new country, twisted things around in an internal pressure cooker, until his own images took on their own "languages", then BOOM, he snapped.

In addition to having been stewed, perhaps, in anti-depression medication.
15 posted on 04/17/2007 8:36:19 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
In addition to having been stewed, perhaps, in anti-depression medication.

Yes, some reports have said he's been on drugs. Definitely would not have helped the situation.
16 posted on 04/17/2007 8:39:03 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Lando Lincoln
I read them both. I am a college professor and read papers by students regularly. I would say the writing quality is typical of a high school student. I have seen worse from college students, however. The lack of any real depth to it is what I found the most bothersome, apart from the violent themes.

I do not teach English, but I cannot imagine a student turning in work like this. It is literally a cry for help. Most students try to sugarcoat their writing for professors. They tend to write what they think the professor will like. Usually, you have to push them to take risks. In this case, the student went way off the map, and I can see why his teacher was concerned.

There isn't anything here that tells me the student is a psycho-killer. But taken together with other things, such as his manner and aloneness, it looks like a red flag after the fact. The trouble is, there are probably hundreds of gore-fest scripts getting written on college campuses, and no one actually gets hurt by them.

17 posted on 04/17/2007 8:42:08 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: dawn53

To a lib, personal failure + social injustice = success of the (perverted) hive.


18 posted on 04/17/2007 8:47:08 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Once again, we all have to obsess over the pathetic life of a total loser all because the Virginia Legislature, with the strong backing of the Virginia Chiefs of Police disarmed the students and faculty of Virginia Tech.


19 posted on 04/17/2007 8:48:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: tobyhill
Maybe he was trying to impress the AX Committee?

Like "Son of Sam" was trying to impress his imaginary dog?

20 posted on 04/17/2007 8:49:48 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

This brought us 9-11.


21 posted on 04/17/2007 8:52:22 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

His view of how other people live their lives is very twisted and bizarre.

I wonder what his family life was like. I haven’t heard of any statements from his family. It must not have been a very “healthy” situation. Of course, that’s just speculation on my part. Sometimes the apple falls far from the tree despite the parents’ best intentions.


22 posted on 04/17/2007 8:53:03 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: RepoGirl
I’ve read the first one, richard mcBeef.

This is one sick twisted kid.

Catholic hater, women (his mother) are whores, pedophilia, gay anal sex, and a desire to kill all wrapped up in a short play that would describe what goes on in the psychotic mind of the average jihadist.

23 posted on 04/17/2007 8:54:33 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: dawn53

“He went to a regular American high school.”

That may have been the reason for his poor language skills.


24 posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:41 PM PDT by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: 353FMG

Please, let’s leave the education debate out of this thread.

He moved here at the age of 8 from South Korea, and more than likely English was a second language in his home.

Cho’s obession with violence and his twisted view of the American way of life are what’s being examined here.


25 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:36 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: mplsconservative

what’s really suprizing that the “teacher” didn’t take these “plays” and submit them to the school psychologist. The kid was obviously deeply disturbed, a threat in fact to eaveryone around him. I gues this is “normal’ however, to some of the proffessors out there.

Had he been in grade school, (and been white) no doubt he would have been yanked out of class like that other kid a year or so back for writing down his thoughts.

This school is responsible in part at least for not having flagged this kid long ago. No wonder they are yanking everything from school records.


26 posted on 04/17/2007 9:06:53 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Lando Lincoln

“The play’s the thing, wherein I’ll catch the conscience of...”

A futile exercise for Hamlet, and for those who’d identify mass murderers.


27 posted on 04/17/2007 9:16:54 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Lando Lincoln

From an ABC report:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108&page=1
Lucinda Roy, a co-director of the creative writing program at Virginia Tech, taught Cho in a poetry class in fall of 2005 and later worked with him one-on-one after she became concerned about his behavior and themes in his writings.

Roy spoke outside her home Tuesday afternoon, saying that there was nothing explicit in Cho’s writings, but that threats were there under the surface.

Roy told ABC News that Cho seemed “extraordinarily lonely—the loneliest person I have ever met in my life.” She said he wore sunglasses indoors, with a cap pulled low over his eyes. He whispered, took 20 seconds to answer questions, and took cellphone pictures of her in class. Roy said she was concerned for her safety when she met with him.

She said she notified authorities about Cho, but said she was told that there would be too many legal hurdles to intervene. She said she asked him to go to counseling, but he never did.

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I wonder if he was evaluated for some variety of “high functioning autism” such as, for example,
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/asperger/asperger.htm
http://www.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/autism/aspergers.html

since his reported behavior (before the shootings) at least suggests this as a possibility.

From the conclusion of:
http://www.autism.org/asperger.html

“Researchers feel that Asperger’s syndrome is probably hereditary in nature because many families report having an ‘odd’ relative or two. In addition, depression and bipolar disorder are often reported in those with Asperger’s syndrome as well as in family members.

“At this time, there is no prescribed treatment regimen for individuals with Asperger’s syndrome. In adulthood, many lead productive lives, living independently, working effectively at a job (many are college professors, computer programmers, dentists), and raising a family.

“Sometimes people assume everyone who has autism and is high-functioning has Asperger’s syndrome. However, it appears that there are several forms of high-functioning autism, and Asperger’s syndrome is one form.”


28 posted on 04/17/2007 9:17:37 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

How did you get asperger syndrome out ot the clinical description you referenced? When I read the description in your link, what popped into my mind was Hillary.


29 posted on 04/17/2007 9:31:36 PM PDT by Sam Clements
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To: Lando Lincoln
so post-modern . . . He was p*ssed off that he was poor, yet he was going to college. Allow me to repeat that HE WAS GOING TO COLLEGE! He couldn't have been that poor.
30 posted on 04/17/2007 9:34:45 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (proud sponsor of the "helmets for democrats" foundation)
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To: Nathan Zachary
You ain't kidding. I've got some theories (granted, pure arm-chair quarterback speculation) on what drove him to this.

Pure evil. Someone on the freep described him as a malignant narcissist. Spot on.

31 posted on 04/17/2007 9:41:41 PM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: tobyhill
Hey, go to http://www.axawards.com/honorees/index.html and look in the names for 2006...see anything interesting? Ismail Merchant...in the AX awards. Is THIS the 'Ismail AX' in question?
32 posted on 04/17/2007 9:44:32 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: NotADove

take a look...


33 posted on 04/17/2007 9:45:19 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Lando Lincoln

Hollywood will make them into movies.
Mark my words.


34 posted on 04/17/2007 9:50:31 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Sam Clements

How did you get asperger syndrome out ot the clinical description you referenced? When I read the description in your link, what popped into my mind was Hillary.

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What I said was: “I wonder if he was evaluated for some variety of “high functioning autism” such as, for example,...”.

Asperger’s syndrome happens to be a variety I’m familiar with, but there are evidently several others. As an example of an individual who has the “different consciousness” of this subset of the human population, consider the following links.
http://iautistic.com/what-is-autism.php
http://iautistic.com/autistic-label.php
http://iautistic.com/autism-myths-theory-of-mind.php
http://iautistic.com/autism-theory-of-mind-revisited.php

I don’t know much about Hillary, but it would be interesting if there were some good “spectrum measuring” tests that might place her somewhere on “the scale”. Unfortunately, this is a very murky subject with a lot of outstanding puzzles and diagnostic tests of limited usefulness and resolving power. Thus, the “autism spectrum” or “scale” seems to be more of a metaphor waiting for better tools to make it an illuminating theory rather than just a convenient place holder for a set of mysteries we are in the very early stages of exploring.

This might also be of some interest:
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~probbins/knowingme.pdf


35 posted on 04/17/2007 9:59:31 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: RepoGirl

“You ain’t kidding. I’ve got some theories (granted, pure arm-chair quarterback speculation) on what drove him to this.
Pure evil. Someone on the freep described him as a malignant narcissist. Spot on.”

I think, being a non-citizen, that his writings should’ve been enough to have his visa revoked, placed in detention, and summarily deported without appeal.


36 posted on 04/17/2007 10:05:19 PM PDT by neutronsgalore (Nature, getting rid of Muslims one tsunami at a time.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"The kid was obviously deeply disturbed,..."

The kid??? He was 23 YEARS OLD!!! In my mind, that's NOT a kid!

37 posted on 04/17/2007 10:10:29 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: Lando Lincoln

For what it’s worth: I think this guy listened to too much rap music, watched too many raunchy tv shows.
In “Richard McBeef”, John, the son, was the heavy - Richard, the stepfather, was okay. I could understand why John behaved the way he did with a mother like Sue! She fought his battles for him, and refused to discipline him. Cho did not honor the woman. She was certainly no roll model!
I think Cho used his writing to express his hostility, if not hatred, of his school mates, and Americans in general. To Cho they were all infidels.
In “Mr. Brownstone”, I think he had watched James Earl Jone’s play which involved a lottery ticket, with a similar ending.
I haven’t listened to rap music, but I understand it is wrought with four letter words and disgusting scenarios. You can’t watch tv for five minutes before a steamy bedroom scene pops up. To a muslim, if he was muslim, all these things would easily set him off.
I am not making excuses for the terrible thing Cho did. I am just saying I am still inclined to think that what he did - he did for “Allah”, and the bullet in the face was his suicide ticket to paradise. (After all, he had no bomb. He had no airplane.)
I do think it very odd and disturbing that an Imam prayed to Allah at the memorial, but the Son of God was never mentioned by the Lutheran minister.


38 posted on 04/17/2007 10:15:32 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: mplsconservative
Please, let’s leave the education debate out of this thread.
Why?

He moved here at the age of 8 from South Korea, and more than likely English was a second language in his home.

What was his frame of reference at 8. Better or worse than today? From the South Pacific musical, 'you've got to be taught to hate'.

Cho’s obsession with violence and his twisted view of the American way of life are what’s being examined here

Exactly! He was not taught the Ten Commandments, and especially, Thou shall not kill. IMO, it's all about education.

Virginia Tech fails in not providing an education, nor security. Duke U also is run by idiots, ie, Thou shall not bear false witness.

Luckily the average families instill these values into their children, but higher education washes a lot of it away. The likes of liberal democrat Dershowitz, imo, of OJ fame, is what is wrong in our universities.

39 posted on 04/17/2007 10:17:21 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Lando Lincoln

This case has nothing to do with gun control or lack thereof, and everything to do with the ADA and the other PC laws that have veloved in our country related to mental illness. This kid’s professors were alarmed, and reported him to deans, campus police, and campus counseling service. One professor tutored him privately a few times, apparently at the suggestion of an academic, who offered this as an alternative to dropping him from the class. This prof (Lucinda Roy) was sufficiently scared of him that she arranged a code with her secretary, that if she called the secretary on the phone and mentioned a dead professor’s name that meant it was time to call security.

From an NYT article http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/us/18virginia.html?hp
“Lucinda Roy, an English professor, said Mr. Cho’s writing, laced with anger, profanity and violence, concerned several faculty members. In 2005, she sent examples to the campus police, the campus counseling service and other officials. All were worried, but little could be done, she said.
Ms. Roy said she would offer to go with Mr. Cho to counseling, just to talk. “But he wouldn’t say yes, and unfortunately I couldn’t force him to do it,” she said. Students were also alarmed that Mr. Cho was taking inappropriate pictures of women under desks, she said.”

What the hell is wrong with the laws in this country that nobody can force this obviously psychopathic kid into a psychiatric exam, and get him locked up in a secure hospital where he belonged? HE was left in charge of deciding what to do about the demons in his sick mind, even though it was obvious to many, many people in positions of authority at the college where he was a student, that he was not equipped to handle himself. But we’re all told over and over again that “mental illness is just like any other illness” and it’s subject to all the excessive privacy laws and to all the excessive protections of the ADA. And any school official who tried to force him to see a counselor or psychiatrist, or who tried to expel him from the school, would get sued and end up paying this kid a bundle.


40 posted on 04/17/2007 10:18:07 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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marker


41 posted on 04/17/2007 10:24:12 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: jordan8
"Why won’t they release the note?"
Same question I have.

42 posted on 04/17/2007 10:28:54 PM PDT by TheBridge
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To: massadvj

If there are hundreds of gore fest scripts being written by college students on the level of “Richard McBeef”, then we may as well resign ourselves to picking the vegetables Americans don’t want to pick.


43 posted on 04/17/2007 10:33:34 PM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: Paperdoll; Our man in washington

I finally read the plays. Here’s one slant, but it’s just a slant, mind you.


44 posted on 04/17/2007 10:41:50 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

My son has Asperger’s. He does not show lack of affect (frozen emotionless face). He talks with people. He doesn’t write sex-tinged violence. He finds these murders horrifying - he can’t imagine someone wanting to do this. Asperger’s does not lead to murderous impulses - just want to make that clear.

It could be a contributor to depression and alienation and is often co-morbid with other disorders like OCD. Some men with Asperger’s stalk women - creepily but harmlessly; they don’t know how to relate to women, so they track them but they’re not trying to scare them.

Cho may have had Asperger’s but I do want to stress that someone with Asperger’s is not more likely to be a murderer.

Mrs VS


45 posted on 04/17/2007 10:49:07 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: jordan8

A law enforcement official who read Cho’s note described it Tuesday as a typed, eight-page rant against rich kids and religion. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

“You caused me to do this,” the official quoted the note as saying.

Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near and that there was a deed to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.


46 posted on 04/17/2007 10:57:28 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“This case has nothing to do with gun control or lack thereof, and everything to do with the ADA and the other PC laws that have evolved in our country related to mental illness.”

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These laws are indeed related in this sense: they all flow from an obsession with building up the state as a messianic institution capable of healing every social ill by a self-refuting network of coercive measures in the name of liberty and human dignity. It is a perverse effort to implement the nightmarish vision of Jack Williamson in his 1940’s story “With Folded Hands”.

http://www.umich.edu/~engb415/literature/cyberzach/Williamson/human.html

Another example of the progression of this mentality was on display, oddly enough, in Taranto’s series on “Zero Tolerance” school practices:

Zero-Tolerance Watch
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=44339&in_page_id=2

And we do mean “watch”! “A fifteen-year old boy in America was incarcerated for twelve days, wrongly accused of making a hoax bomb threat—because his school had forgotten that the clocks had gone forward,” reports Britain’s Metro Cafe:

Cody Webb was arrested last month, after Hempfield Area High School [in Greensburg, a suburb of Pittsburgh] received a bomb threat on their student hotline—which provides a range of information to students about the school—at 3.17am on March 11th. They believed they’d found the culprit when they traced the phone number they thought was responsible to Webb.

Unfortunately, they forgot that the clocks had switched to Daylight Saving Time that morning. Webb, who’s never even had a detention in his life, had actually made his call an hour earlier.

Despite the fact that the recording of the call featured a voice that sounded nothing like Webb’s, the police arrested Webb and he spent 12 days in a juvenile detention facility before the school eventually realised their mistake.

Webb gave an insight into the school’s impressive investigative techniques, saying that he was ushered in to see the principal, Kathy Charlton. She asked him what his phone number was, and , according to Webb, when he replied “she started waving her hands in the air and saying ‘we got him, we got him.’ “

The Metro Cafe Web site accompanies the story with a picture of a timepiece atop the caption: “Clocks: fiendishly complicated devices.”


47 posted on 04/17/2007 11:02:09 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Cho may have had Asperger’s but I do want to stress that someone with Asperger’s is not more likely to be a murderer.

Mrs VS

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I agree completely, and indeed the definitions of the various points on the “autism spectrum” are murky enough that I was careful to indicate that Asperger’s is only “an example”.

Murderous impulses are common to human beings, and the way they are amplified and acted out, or contained and suppressed is as variable as human beings are variable. Being aware of an individual’s capacities and inclinations is important to helping them acquire skills in self-restraint and other attributes of self-understanding. This self-understanding is a non-trivial problem no matter where one is on “the spectrum”. An interesting discussion of various modes of consciousness and means of recognizing oneself and others is found here:

http://artsci.wustl.edu/~probbins/knowingme.pdf

Here is some discussion by one who has apparently had some success at self-knowledge development:

http://iautistic.com/what-is-autism.php
http://iautistic.com/autistic-label.php
http://iautistic.com/autism-myths-theory-of-mind.php
http://iautistic.com/autism-theory-of-mind-revisited.php


48 posted on 04/17/2007 11:46:55 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Sender
If there are hundreds of gore fest scripts being written by college students on the level of “Richard McBeef”,

Unfortunately, I read both of them. That was one sick individual. Obsessed with killing and homosexuality. If he had graduated, he probably would have ended up as a screenwriter in LA LA Land.

I also got the impression that these plays were written by a person who was not in control of the narrative. Everything was reactionary. Almost as if he had an underlying programming that forced a reactionary response to just about every interaction.

49 posted on 04/18/2007 12:19:01 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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I read them both. I am a college professor and read papers by students regularly. I would say the writing quality is typical of a high school student. I have seen worse from college students, however. The lack of any real depth to it is what I found the most bothersome, apart from the violent themes.

Writing plays isn't easy, and in most cases with which I'm familiar, it isn't a requirement for an English degree, The stilted dialogue and lack of depth make him an awful playwright, but his grammar and syntax appear to be at least competent, so I'd guess he could write acceptable, maybe even pretty good, papers and essays.

50 posted on 04/18/2007 12:44:25 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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