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Cho sent photos and rambling letter to NBC.
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Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood

Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC


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KEYWORDS: aishmael; cho; copiedfirst; ishmael; losersyndrome; manifesto; nbcexclusive; psychmeds; ratings; schizophrenic; senttofbisecond; vatech; virginiatech; vtach
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To: scouse

If this is so, why did he obliterate the serial numbers on his weapons?


Perhaps out of intended kindness to the dealer who sold him the guns, so it could not be tracked back and blamed on the dealer.


101 posted on 04/18/2007 1:48:59 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: scouse

wow, what a great point!! Best post of the day and needs to go to Brit Hume.


102 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:01 PM PDT by Mercat (I know my Redeemer Lives!)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

“Cho Seung-Hui was declared mentally ill and “an imminent danger to others.””

Shouldn’t that have been entered into the state NICS (instant backgound) system?


103 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:10 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Txsleuth

martyr video?


104 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:19 PM PDT by California74
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To: mware

I have no doubt NBC has a copy


105 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:24 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: harwood

Wow. 2005 declared Mentally ILL and this in the past hour. Good grief.


106 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:32 PM PDT by Ray66
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To: mware

so in the two hours between the killings - he went back to his dorm, and took this package to the post office?


107 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:35 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: mware
Fox is calling it a manifesto and calling it a "package". So I doubt it's an email.

They must know it was mailed on the 16th, and that he couldn't have mailed it before the first shooting (too early).

Unless there was an accomplice.

108 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:41 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: oceanview
This situation with Cho only gets worse.

In 2005, A Court Order by a VA. Special Justice declared Cho an "imminent Danger to Others"..etc...

Dear Lord..he should have been institutionalized..

sw

109 posted on 04/18/2007 1:49:51 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Breaking on CNN
“A court order from 2005 states that Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui was declared mentally ill and “an imminent danger to others.”

Shouldn’t that be posted as its own thread?


110 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:00 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Dreadful!


111 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:18 PM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Thanks for that.

BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) — Cho Seung-Hui in 2005 was declared mentally ill by a Virginia special justice, who declared he was “an imminent danger to others,” a court document states.


112 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:22 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: CindyDawg; pitinkie; Moose4

Thanks for the clarification all... I haven’t been reading all the threads on this and hadn’t seen those about when and where he bought the guns. Sounds like the background check didn’t work.... What a sad shame.


113 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:26 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: Mo1

Yes the reporter said they turned the “originals” over to Police..so they have copies Im sure


114 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:31 PM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: angkor

You would think so, but I’ll bet this falls under some medical privacy situation.


115 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:35 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: debg
Wonder if it’s a jihadi martyr type video...

I surely won't be shocked if a clearer Islamic connection emerges - Ismail Ax, and the press/authorities seem to be dancing around something.

116 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:53 PM PDT by LikeLight (tagline expired - do you wish to renew?)
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To: dead
I rike dat pray. It remind me of when I rittle boy.

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117 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Check THIS part of the CNN story out:

"A temporary detention order was obtained and Cho was taken to a mental health facility" on December 13, 2005, he said.

A student asking to be identified only as Andy said he was the one who told police that Cho was suicidal. Police "took [Cho] away to the counseling center for a night or two," said the student, who used to room with Cho.

Some FReeper who knows his way around the ATF forms needed to purchase a gun can answer this. Doesn't that form 4473 ask "Have you ever been declared mentally incompetent or been involuntarily committed to an institution?"

}:-)4

118 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:14 PM PDT by Moose4 (Today, we are all Hokies.)
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To: Kaylee Frye

Both guns were bought legally, one in Feb and one in March. Yes, I’ve seen the gun store owner interviewed...he followed procedures to the letter.

Cho was evaluated at that mental health facility in Dec, ‘05 so I asked the same question earlier: why didn’t it show up on his background check to buy the gun. (Guess: the university didn’t want to “invade his privacy”!)


119 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:23 PM PDT by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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To: rbmillerjr
The people at NBC should release this without any editing or twisting. No slant, no bias, just let us see what this madman had to say. They’ve held onto this information, why?

If they don’t tell the truth on such an important issue, they should be barred from calling themselves a “news” organization.

120 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:26 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Kaylee Frye

They know where and when he bought the guns..*legally*, in fact.


121 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:40 PM PDT by NickatNite2003 (From the Man from Hope" to the wife who snarls "Abandon All Hope!")
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To: spectre

but we are told by prof nikki that this was just a random act of violence


122 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:42 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: CindyDawg

He must have lied about that on his purchase applications, and I don’t think the crimincal background checks cover mental illness, which fall under confidential doctor/patient privacy laws. Regardless, someone’s head is really going to roll now...


123 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:46 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: mware

“original” in the hands of the FBI??

So they are admitting they made copies???

sheesh


124 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:55 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Thompson/Hunter 2008)
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To: Moose4

NBC to release statement “soon”


125 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:56 PM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: scouse
If this is so, why did he obliterate the serial numbers on his weapons?

I wonder if the package he sent to NBC was another play/story he wrote ???

126 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:56 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: harwood
The blonde bimbo said that they will “not discuss these developments at this time.”

He must have sent a shout-out to Allah.

127 posted on 04/18/2007 1:52:05 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: oceanview

No ideer. I like the IInd fine, but criminal convictions and civil commitments should mean something.

You do lose some rights (like the right to vote) when convicted of a crime.

A doctor should be able to discharge someone subject to the condition that he not be allowed to handle firearms.


128 posted on 04/18/2007 1:52:10 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.")
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To: Txsleuth

That’s pretty low. Yikes.


129 posted on 04/18/2007 1:52:30 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: harwood

You’re probably right.


130 posted on 04/18/2007 1:52:31 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Kevmo
What we need to find out, is WHY Cho was standing before the VA. Special Justice?

This guy had quite a history, it seems. But what???

sw

131 posted on 04/18/2007 1:52:47 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: rbmillerjr

LOL

Maybe it will turn out like this week’s revelations concerning French intelligence and 9/11. When and what.

But I doubt it.

The note found in his dormotory room may turn out to be a draft/outline of what he sent to NBC News. The killings were premeditated. No reason to believe the email wasn’t as well.


132 posted on 04/18/2007 1:53:05 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: harwood

nbc lied, people died.


133 posted on 04/18/2007 1:53:08 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: debg

No, no, no... it’s a 14 1/2 hour reading of “Moby Dick”.


134 posted on 04/18/2007 1:53:35 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Mo1

SOO..NBC wants the ratings??


135 posted on 04/18/2007 1:53:41 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Thompson/Hunter 2008)
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To: Mo1
>I have no doubt NBC has a copy

If I went crazy
I would send my documents
to Katie Couric!

136 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:05 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Regardless, someone’s head is really going to roll now...

Agree.

137 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:06 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Txsleuth

Sent it snail mail according to MSNBc..


138 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:25 PM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: harwood
BREAKING NEWS
By Alex Johnson

MSNBC
Updated: 6 minutes ago
Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a long and rambling communication and video about his grievances, the network said Wednesday. Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents pending the agency’s review.
The communication is the last known red flag raised by Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, who killed 32 people in two separate attacks Monday before taking his own life.

But as early as 2005, police and school administrators were wrestling with what to do with the young man, who was accused of stalking two female students and was sent to a mental health facility after police obtained a temporary detention order.

The two women complained to campus police that Cho was contacting them with “annoying” telephone calls and e-mail messages in November and December 2005, campus Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.

Cho was referred to the university’s disciplinary system, but Flinchum said the woman declined to press charges, and the case apparently never reached a hearing.

Detention order issued
However, after the second incident, the department received a call from an acquaintance of Cho’s, who was concerned that he might be suicidal, Flinchum said. Police obtained a temporary detention order from a local magistrate, and in December of that year, Cho was voluntarily but briefly admitted to Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, NBC News’ Jim Popkin reported.

To issue a detention order under Virginia law, a magistrate must find both that the subject is “mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment” and that the subject is “an imminent danger to himself or others, or is so seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for himself.”

According to a doctor’s report accompanying the order, which was first reported by the Richmond Times-Dispatch, Cho was “depressed,” but “his insight and judgment are normal.” The doctor, a clinical psychologist who was not identified, noted that Cho “denies suicidal ideations.”

Under the law, the magistrate could have issued a stronger detention order mandating inpatient treatment, but there was no indication Wednesday that such an order was ever entered. A spokesman for Carilion St. Albans told NBC News that he could not discuss Cho’s case because of patient confidentiality and privacy laws, but he said the hospital was cooperating with the investigation.

Otherwise, Flinchum said, there were no further police incidents involving Cho until the deadly shootings Monday, first in a young woman’s dormitory room and then at a classroom building across campus. Neither of the alleged stalking victims was among the victims Monday.

In addition to the 33 people confirmed dead, including the gunman, nine people remained in hospitals in stable condition, hospital authorities said.

Health records sought
Campus police applied Wednesday for search warrants for all of Cho’s medical records from Schiffert Health Center on campus and New River Community Services in Blacksburg.

”It is reasonable to believe that the medical records may provide evidence of motive, intent and designs,” investigators wrote in the documents, according to The Associated Press.

Police searched Cho’s dorm room Tuesday and recovered, among other items, a chain and a combination lock, according to documents filed Wednesday. The front doors of Norris Hall, the classroom building, had been chained shut from the inside during the shooting rampage.

Other items that were seized included a folding knife; two computers, a hard disk and other computer disks; documents, books, notebooks and other writings; a digital camera; compact disks; and two Dremel tools, which are rotating tools used for cutting, sanding and other applications.

In an affidavit seeking the search warrant, police found a “bomb threat” note — directed at engineering school buildings — near the victims in the classroom building. In the past three weeks, Virginia Tech had received two other bomb threats; investigators said they had not connected those to Cho.

Family sought better life in U.S.
Cho arrived in the United States as an 8-year-old boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va., a suburb of Washington, where his parents worked at a dry cleaners. He graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly in 2003.

Cho’s family moved to the United States in search of a better life, said the family’s landlady in South Korea. The family was poor and lived in a cheap basement apartment on the outskirts of Seoul, the woman told South Korean television Wednesday.

Cho had an older sister, Sun-Kyung, who graduated from Princeton University with an economics degree in 2004, Princeton officials confirmed.

139 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:30 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: harwood; visually_augmented; Calm_Cool_and_Elected

Ping


140 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:42 PM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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To: spectre

Stalked two female VT students, for starters. Apparently (per CNN) the main reason was that his roomie told the VT police that Cho was making suicidal statements, so they got a judge to issue a temporary detention order and they took him to Access, a counseling center in Blacksburg.

}:-)4


141 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:46 PM PDT by Moose4 (Today, we are all Hokies.)
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To: Txsleuth

Yes, the May sweeps start next week.


142 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:49 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: NickatNite2003; Timeout

Thanks.


143 posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:06 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: dragnet2

I find it interesting they are leaving the parents alone. What did they know and what did they tell that we still don’t know.


144 posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:10 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: ishabibble
NBC said the FBI has the video, ect.

Why would the FBI have it? Is it because he used a firearm? Fed laws were broken?

Sorry for the dumb question.

145 posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:15 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: fooman
BS! This guy was a walking time bomb and plenty of people knew it..

He should have never been accepted to VPI..

I hate to place blame, but this case cries out for it..

sw

146 posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:19 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Kevmo

It probably should be.


147 posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:35 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Thompson/Hunter 2008)
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To: pitinkie
NBC to release statement “soon”

Video and disturbing multi-page statement. NBC immediately turned over materials, per MSNBC
148 posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:59 PM PDT by maggief
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To: roses of sharon

My recollection from reading the NICS forms is that the disqualifier is being *adjudicated in a court of law* to be mentally ill within the last 3 or 5 years (??).

Not going to a marriage counselor of taking Ambien for sleeping.

Court adjudication of mental illness should be entered into NICS records.

Why didn;t that happen?


149 posted on 04/18/2007 1:56:09 PM PDT by angkor
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
"Breaking on CNN "A court order from 2005 states that Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui was declared mentally ill and "an imminent danger to others."

When you consider that they suspend and/or expel six year old boys for bringing a plastic knife to school, they handcuff and arrest 6 year old girls for kicking a teacher in the shin, they expel 7 year old boys for bringing a butter knife to cut his pb&j sandwich with, and they expel 6 year old boys for "sexual harrassment", how in hell can anybody excuse the V.T. president for not ridding the university of this dangerous, demented scumbag Cho? He was twice accused of stalking women, was booted from English class for writing frightening, macabre, bloody poetry, was recommended to psychiatry by a teacher, was considered to be "very mean" by another teacher, (who also said she feared his 'meanstreak'), was known to have been suicidal by the staff, etc, etc -- YET they allow him to stay. It's a damn shame that he wasn't caught with a plastic butter knife, they might have given him the boot then.

I hope a few high placed staff get raked over the coals for this, and the police as well. There was a two hour lag between his first and second murder spree and the University wasn't locked down in between killing sprees. The whole thing totally reeks of PC liberal staff repeatedly letting this guy off the hook, incompetent 'security' officers, and bumbling, incompetent local cops screwing up the whole affair.

150 posted on 04/18/2007 1:56:11 PM PDT by Oceans99
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