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Cho sent photos and rambling letter to NBC.
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Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood

Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aishmael; cho; copiedfirst; ishmael; losersyndrome; manifesto; nbcexclusive; psychmeds; ratings; schizophrenic; senttofbisecond; vatech; virginiatech; vtach
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To: art_rocks
Well why didn’t NBC call anyone. It was obvious this was real.

It was full of rambling and incoherent thoughts, invective and bile, etc. so they couldn't figure out if it came from Olberman or Matthews. There was some valium spittle on the letter, which made them think of Matthews. But then again, it could have come from top management.

251 posted on 04/18/2007 2:22:48 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: IslandJeff

I just LOVE the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle! Wow, Freeeprs are so smart.

Yeah, NBC are MarOONS!
You don’t touch the stuff, let alone copy it etc.


252 posted on 04/18/2007 2:22:57 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in New Orleans and Philly!)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Good grief, I’m embarrassed, lol.

I wish the mods would remove my post.

Or maybe I should learn to read my posts first before hitting that button????

253 posted on 04/18/2007 2:22:59 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: scouse
"If this is so, why did he obliterate the serial numbers on his weapons?"

That makes me suspect he had other plans originally.

254 posted on 04/18/2007 2:24:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: All

NBC has a ratings coup here.

Don’t expect much of a release because you will here this instead.

“NBC news, due to the complexity of the issue and the dijointed material will be analyzing and SHOWING THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS...we want to take our time so you can fully understand this terrible event. Yes, it is true that we will make many millions of dollars by our slow release advertising strategy but we are here to inform you.”


255 posted on 04/18/2007 2:24:41 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: dragnet2; harwood

I suppose you are correct and it was sent snail mail. But I still don’t understand the business about the “time stamp.” Reading the statements so far, it seems that they’ve avoided getting specific about how it arrived.

Whatever the case, I do believe that NBC didn’t know about this package until today.


256 posted on 04/18/2007 2:24:58 PM PDT by joylyn
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To: roses of sharon
Sick, Matthews is slobbering with excitement, telling us to watch NBC Nightly News.

I will be absolutely damned if I'll contribute to NBC's ratings windfall.

I don't need a peek into this sicko's mind that bad.

257 posted on 04/18/2007 2:25:04 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: blam

Why is NBC saying ‘timestamped’ instead of ‘postmarked’?


258 posted on 04/18/2007 2:25:13 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: fooman
It's ludicrous to be called a "kook" for discussing Cho's possible affiliations or jihad syndrome. This guy knew exactly what he was writing down..even if he was a psycho.

sw

259 posted on 04/18/2007 2:25:41 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: harwood

sorry - i meant funny as in “strange” not funny “ha ha.”


260 posted on 04/18/2007 2:26:23 PM PDT by California74
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To: harwood

MSNBC

Per Jack Thompson, atty for some in the Paducah, KY school shooting:

Video game, Counterstrike, may have been involved. Cho played it on the computer. Per Cho’s high school acquaintances.

[Perp in the German school shooting was also involved in the same computer game.]

Thompson is saying this (the shooting) was a ‘body count’ game. He also says that, for Cho to have pulled this off as he did, he had to have trained for it (via computer).


261 posted on 04/18/2007 2:28:32 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: California74

Just you. *any* news org would do the same.


262 posted on 04/18/2007 2:29:54 PM PDT by NickatNite2003 (From the Man from Hope" to the wife who snarls "Abandon All Hope!")
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To: HairOfTheDog
The first 100 posts are useless wild ass guessing and conspiracy theories. ;~)

Hi Hair. Sorry. I disagree and encourage reading them. There are posts regarding his mental status and why this wasn't picked up in a background check that we all have to suffer thru. I think there are some other really good comments there too. You have a right to your opinion but I think you should encourage folks to read and decide for themselves.

263 posted on 04/18/2007 2:30:04 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Beelzebubba

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264 posted on 04/18/2007 2:30:10 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Liberals embrace the sin......Christians embrace the sinner.)
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To: milwguy

There is also a USPS timestamp on the envelope from when it was processed.


265 posted on 04/18/2007 2:30:44 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: joylyn

They can probably tell on the postmark what ~time~ it was postmarked, and they find the time interesting, because it appears it was mailed between the shootings. That in itself is interesting.


266 posted on 04/18/2007 2:30:53 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: joylyn

He used FedEx and thus has a time stamp.


267 posted on 04/18/2007 2:31:06 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: NickatNite2003

I’m just surprised they (the FBI) said Yes and let them have a copy. Freedom of press, I guess. And perhaps because the shooter is dead so there is no need to retain integrity of evidence for future criminal case.


268 posted on 04/18/2007 2:31:15 PM PDT by California74
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To: blam
That makes me suspect he had other plans originally.

Could be. It may have been a twisted attempt to shelter his parents or his ID.

Seems he initially shot the two to death, wandered over to his dorm room, knowing the would eventually get him for the first murders, he apparently has plenty of time, he puts together a package of photos, videos and writings, drops it in the mail, loads up his weapons, extra clips and decides to go out in a bloody murderous blaze.

There is no doubt, this guy had planned something for a long time..

269 posted on 04/18/2007 2:31:24 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: milwguy
"Why is NBC saying ‘timestamped’ instead of ‘postmarked’?"

That may indicate and email...they don't get postmarked.

270 posted on 04/18/2007 2:31:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: oceanview

Maybe he wanted Imus’ time slot.


271 posted on 04/18/2007 2:31:35 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: kimmie7

That NBC turned over the ‘originals’ and is showing ‘copies’ of the ‘manifesto’ seems like evidence tampering to me. As soon as they realized what they had, it was their duty to turn it over immediately, not make copies of everything first.


272 posted on 04/18/2007 2:31:51 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

CNN is wrong..he was ordered to see a shrink who cleared him..no conviction in court, no record, no shows up on the background check..the headline misrepresents the story..


273 posted on 04/18/2007 2:31:54 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots..)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I would make a copy of anything I was going to turn over to the government. I learned a long time ago that you never give the original of anything, to anyone without a copy:’)


274 posted on 04/18/2007 2:32:03 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: TomGuy

Yes, but Thompson’s a kook who blames every killing on video games.


275 posted on 04/18/2007 2:32:12 PM PDT by Starter
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To: CindyDawg

Fine.... read the first 100 post where no one knows anything and most of what was said was wrong. Be my guest, I am not stopping anyone. Mine was just a suggestion. ;~)


276 posted on 04/18/2007 2:32:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: spectre

yes. The guy did great damage. Rush is wrong on this one. Safeguards on so many levels broke down.

And if we dont learn from this, there WILL be more incidents.

For instance, I cant understand why a school like VT does not require ROTC to train and carry firearms. The profs could also take the same ROTC gun course.

ROTC kids could even get 1K of ‘marshall pay’ per semester. An added bonus would be that ROTC would get more respect on campus and the armed forces in general.

It would also get rid of the weenie argument of too many loose guns running round campus.


277 posted on 04/18/2007 2:32:36 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: AngryJawa
Me neither, the only way this would be important to me is if he left a jihad video.

And that would have been leaked by now.

It seems he had a sick rage, and maybe against government, Bush, the war, America, and NBC will exploit that.

Or his rage was focused on his school, culture, ect.

It seems that they will stretch out the release, all week.

278 posted on 04/18/2007 2:32:43 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: bonfire
Cavuto just said he thought the package was mailed between the first and second wave of shootings.

Let me get this right. The guy has time to:
1) Kill the girl he was stalking and an adviser who came to her aid in a crowded dormatory.
2) Mail a letter and video to NBC.
3) Reload his glock and stock up on ammo.
4) Shoot 60 more people two hours later.

Makes me wonder if he took time out for a Latte as well.

279 posted on 04/18/2007 2:32:52 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: roses of sharon
LOL, I didn't go back and read, I thought I had made the error.

The "Duh" was for me, not you. Sorry again

280 posted on 04/18/2007 2:32:56 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: California74

This could be nuclear to NBC. If the ramblings are in anyway an indictment of a politically favored class [Islam] then NBC’s audience of DU’ers and lefties will beat NBC to death. However if they hold back [and word will ultimately get out], their stock goes down as a “news” organization. Not that their stock as a news org. is stellar, anyway. HA!


281 posted on 04/18/2007 2:33:43 PM PDT by Swanks
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To: TomGuy

the caller on rush’s show yesterday predicted this.


282 posted on 04/18/2007 2:33:47 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: joylyn

Another thread said FedEx. Shouldn’t that have gotten there sooner than TWO DAYS?


283 posted on 04/18/2007 2:33:48 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: RckyRaCoCo
He wanted to be Keith’s boy toy but found out he’s already been poken for?

He found out that Olberman was as frustrated with women as he was, and wanted to commiserate?

284 posted on 04/18/2007 2:34:26 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Seems fortunate that the mail was picked up in that two hour window and ‘timestamped’, as in processed. Something seems fishy about this story. Although there may be a mail office on campus which means he had to have it weighed and postage paid to a person behind a counter.


285 posted on 04/18/2007 2:34:35 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: weegee
Another thread said FedEx. Shouldn’t that have gotten there sooner than TWO DAYS?

FedEx has multiple service offerings for different transit times.

286 posted on 04/18/2007 2:34:54 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: TomGuy

I’m not sure I believe that.


287 posted on 04/18/2007 2:34:57 PM PDT by NickatNite2003 (From the Man from Hope" to the wife who snarls "Abandon All Hope!")
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To: roses of sharon
BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). And it sounds like he had some “classist” ramblings too.
288 posted on 04/18/2007 2:35:29 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: milwguy
TIME STAMPED???? THAT IS NOT POSTMARKED! WAS IT MAILED OR SENT VIA ELECTRONIC MEANS AND TO WHOM WAS IT SENT? I AM BETTING ON KEITH OLBERMANN AS RECPIENT>

Presumably he sent it via express mail.

289 posted on 04/18/2007 2:35:35 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: harwood

<< Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents beyond characterizing the material as “disturbing.” >>

You can be sure of few things in this life, but one of them is, that if these materials indicated that he did this crime

- in order to object to the practice of abortion in this country

- under some warped idea of Christianity,

- or any other so-called “right wing” motive,

we would already know that by now.


290 posted on 04/18/2007 2:35:53 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: TexasGunLover

Odd time to be frugal.


291 posted on 04/18/2007 2:35:58 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: weegee

One day to get there, sits on someone’s desk or in the mailroom until someone happens to notice who it was from.


292 posted on 04/18/2007 2:36:10 PM PDT by craig_eddy
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

See 269. It appears that is what occurred.

I think he had something else planned, but couldn’t help himself, and just murdered the first two people, probably breaking this own twisted plan...And it went from there.


293 posted on 04/18/2007 2:36:12 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: LimberJim

I feel sorry for them too. I have some “crazy” family members, and the saner ones can’t accept it. Only outside, objective sources are able to see it.


294 posted on 04/18/2007 2:36:27 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: milwguy

If he printed the post electronically (like through payapl or stamps.com), many times the postage will have the date and, IIRC, time stamped on the postage.

Or the videotape may have the timestamp on it or CD may have had a time code showing when it was burned. I don’t think there’s a deep conspiracy here, just that NBC has some knowledge that shows when Cho sent it out.


295 posted on 04/18/2007 2:36:40 PM PDT by Starter
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To: trumandogz
He used FedEx and thus has a time stamp.

I think he used the Post Office. The pkg would have been timestamped if it had been given to a PO clerk at the PO.
296 posted on 04/18/2007 2:37:35 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: dragnet2
Seems he initially shot the two to death, wandered over to his dorm room, knowing the would eventually get him for the first murders, he apparently has plenty of time, he puts together a package of photos, videos and writings, drops it in the mail, loads up his weapons, extra clips and decides to go out in a bloody murderous blaze.

Yes, this makes the most sense to me. That it just evolved that day, into what transpired. He may have had numerous thoughts about doing it, but not concrete. It makes no sense otherwise, because there was risk of being stopped in the long period of time between, if it were all planned the way it went. My question is, what caused his explosion on that particular morning?
297 posted on 04/18/2007 2:37:36 PM PDT by mutley
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

The media knows what they are doing. There are times they hold all the cards and play their hand after they’ve gotten their talking points out there.

If this is a jihadist attack (or other hate crime) then the focus would not have been on “gun grabbing” which was the original knee jerk reaction. They’ll get their talking points out there by hook or by crook.


298 posted on 04/18/2007 2:37:45 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: weegee
Odd time to be frugal.

No argument there, but obviously this guy wasn't exactly sane either...
299 posted on 04/18/2007 2:38:12 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: dragnet2

the timestamp on the package indicates it was..


300 posted on 04/18/2007 2:38:44 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots..)
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