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Cho sent photos and rambling letter to NBC.
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Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood

Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC


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KEYWORDS: aishmael; cho; copiedfirst; ishmael; losersyndrome; manifesto; nbcexclusive; psychmeds; ratings; schizophrenic; senttofbisecond; vatech; virginiatech; vtach
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To: saveliberty

People used to think little ol’ 5’3” me was a lot taller than I am...it’s positioning and behaving with authority.


701 posted on 04/18/2007 4:54:01 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Dante3

<< I heard a part of his tape. It was muddled but he raved against Christians and apparently cussed his family also - part of it was bleeped out. >>

He tried to portray himself as a Christ-like figure.

At one point he said that he, like Christ, would be an inspiration to generations of the defenseless and downtrodden (or words to that effect).

But note that this is the leftist or marxist interpretation of Christ - that Christ came to support the downtrodden, a sort of social gospel (as opposed to what Christians know, that Christ’s sacrifice was to provide atonement for our sins and make us acceptable in the sight of God).

He also said something along the lines “you will never know the humiliation of being impaled on a cross and suffering, ...”

What we are hearing are the words of the spirit of evil, of the father of lies.


702 posted on 04/18/2007 4:54:14 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: saveliberty

his roommate was again on Hardball and said he was shocked the reporting said he was 6ft tall.The roommate said ,I’m 5’8” and he is shorter than me......a direct quote


703 posted on 04/18/2007 4:54:35 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Star Traveler
If you cannot tell the difference between this guy and a real “jihadist” then you’re going to have trouble recognizing the real thing.

As will you.

704 posted on 04/18/2007 4:54:59 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: jaybee
Everything else was obviously in his car.

Can anyone tell what kind of car?

705 posted on 04/18/2007 4:55:22 PM PDT by 11th_VA (VRWC Local 774)
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To: 11th_VA

;0)


706 posted on 04/18/2007 4:55:54 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: rbmillerjr

You said — “aha correct...but Chris Matthews just asked Capus when he personally rec’vd the package and he said about 12noon. He informed the LEOs doing the investigating during their press conference...??between 3 30 and 4 or so.”

According to the press conference I just heard, they praised NBC for acting so quickly — and the *emphasized* this word — NBC *immediately* contacted authorities. That’s exactly what was said — and emphasized — at the news conference.

Regards,
Star Traveler


707 posted on 04/18/2007 4:56:08 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: daybreakcoming

Thanks for posting that official version. It doesn’t matter how many people felt fear and terror, you would have to have been asleep for the last 40 years not to know that a political message is necessary. That’s like saying every evil person is a ‘sociopath.’ Only a fool would not give real terrorists the proper attention they require by throwing every nutcase mass murderer into that box.


708 posted on 04/18/2007 4:56:18 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
.Thompson is saying this (the shooting) was a ‘body count’ game....for Cho to have pulled this off as he did, he had to have trained for it (via computer).

Jack Thompson is an alarmist with a HUGE axe to grind.

Anyone who believes that a shooting people with a game controller is even remotely equivalent to live fire with a pistol is grossly misinformed.

709 posted on 04/18/2007 4:56:31 PM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: TomGuy

I told my husband that if there’s any link to Islamic terrorism in the manifesto, they sure won’t be reporting it tonight.

Also, as far as Ishmael or Ismail being a gamer tag, his suite mate said he never saw him play video games...he was always just writing in a word doc, and would do so for hours at a time.


710 posted on 04/18/2007 4:56:56 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

freep mail


711 posted on 04/18/2007 4:56:59 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: bray
More points towards him being Islam or some other satanic religion like liberalism than points away from it.

And we still haven't seriously begun to ask how did he get SO good with guns?

712 posted on 04/18/2007 4:57:08 PM PDT by fso301
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To: LdSentinal

I would like to see a link to that.

I will check.


713 posted on 04/18/2007 4:57:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

...and if investigations show he ever, ever visited a mosque you can be damn sure we’ll never hear a peep about it.


714 posted on 04/18/2007 4:58:02 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

You said — “Because people have offered various, mostly far-fetched hypotheses as to what the significance of the reference to “Ismail/Ishmael” might be (which designation was indisputably of importance to this a-hole), your logical conclusion from that is that one should therefore exclude out of hand, even though we know relatively little about this guy, any possibility that he was influenced by islamism? How does that make any sense?”

That’s because there is *nothing* moving the investigation in the direction of Islam — except some ramblings of some people on Free Republic. That’s the only place I see a *shred* of Islam. And that’s a mighty weak thread...

Regards,
Star Traveler


715 posted on 04/18/2007 4:59:17 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: harwood
The constant Anti-American drum beating by the liberal media, and the Democratic party, has finally reach fruition....with the murder of 33 innocent souls....I lay the blame of this destructive rampage squarely at the steps of the liberal MSM....impressionable young minds think they are taking up the cause by killing ‘Americians’...

In passing; the Maroon color hat, worn by the gunman, is a clue....

716 posted on 04/18/2007 5:00:20 PM PDT by thinking
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To: bray

go to http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/ and you will see a picture of the package. It’s printed plainly “A. Ishmail” on the USPS label. looks like he changed the spelling of it.


717 posted on 04/18/2007 5:00:37 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: thinking

VT’s school colors are maroon and orange...what kind of clue?


718 posted on 04/18/2007 5:01:23 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Jet Jaguar
Thanks for the pic!

Label/Receipt Number: EQ52 6158 322U S
Detailed Results:

Delivered, April 18, 2007, 11:26 am, NEW YORK, NY 10112
Enroute, April 17, 2007, 2:29 pm, NEW YORK, NY 10199
Forwarded, April 17, 2007, 9:30 am, NEW YORK, NY
Arrival at Unit, April 17, 2007, 9:16 am, NEW YORK, NY 10019
Enroute, April 16, 2007, 4:57 pm, ROANOKE, VA 24022
Acceptance, April 16, 2007, 9:01 am, BLACKSBURG, VA 24060

Delivered to NBC (mailroom, I presume) Wednesday at 11:26am, after being forwarded to a different delivery station.

Your item was delivered at 11:26 AM on April 18, 2007 in NEW YORK, NY 10112. The item was signed for by G DAVIS.

719 posted on 04/18/2007 5:02:16 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Bushbacker1

You said — “According to Foxnews, the postal worker hand delivered it to NBC that day (Monday)”

Well, that can be proven to be wrong by two things. One your “eyes” and the second thing is your knowledge of postal service delivery.

The first thing — your *eyes* tell you that it was received and hand-written by the postal employee on Monday at 9:10 AM. You can *see* that with your own eyes, looking at the web site where they provide you of a copy to look at.

Second thing — anyone who has ever used the postal service express mail *knows* that they *do not* deliver on the same day that they receive the package. They will deliver it the next day. But, in this case there is the wrong zip code and the wrong address (and you can see it scratched through). That delays the package by one more day. Hence — it arrives on Wednesday.

Thus, we see by our “eyes” and by “common knowledge” and by “common sense” — that exactly what we have been given in this report is accurate and true.

Regards,
Star Traveler


720 posted on 04/18/2007 5:03:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: freeperfromnj; Star Traveler

Jihad allows all the faithful to be judge, jury and executioner. It matters not whether they are sane or insane.


721 posted on 04/18/2007 5:03:12 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Types_with_Fist
The video is much like a Jihadist would construct (although a lot more sophisticated in technology), the hate and venom spewed against "rich kids" and "Christians" is not unsimilar. I would also contend that Islamists ARE in fact "nutjobs." Islam is a cult and, once indoctrinated, cultists are by my definition "nutjobs."

Agree, it was very similar, especially when he spoke of us screwing his "brothers and sisters". And I also agree, people that blow themselves up along with non-combatants and innocents, are consumed with crazy thoughts, fueled by murderous hate. Just like Cho.

722 posted on 04/18/2007 5:04:23 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ErnBatavia

amen and why I’m fightin Star Travelor. I’m sure Star is exemplary BUT we know little yet and here is MY BISCUIT IN THIS.................NBC..............if he was nuts the drive by’s win.Gun control, mental illness et al.........if it was a sympathetic terrorist hell bent on his 15 minutes that helps us in that Tewrrorism is here in the USA ....NBC will never go there.....that is my problem here


723 posted on 04/18/2007 5:04:30 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Star Traveler

You do not think his refering to the Columbine killers as MARTYRS is pointing towards islam? Ismail is another sign. Also, notice he had shaved his head which is also another ‘ritual’ muslims do before they undertake these missions. The police will know because they also shave their body hair, i.e. Mohammed Atta and the 9/11 hijackers. He appeared to be reading the words off of a prompt of some kind, and in a few places stumbled over them, almost like he was not totally familiar with them. Maybe someone else wrote some of those words. The style of the video was typical of what a Palestinian suicide bomber would make before blowing himself up. All in all, the jury is still very much out on an Islamci connection, but I thibnk there are certainly hints in that direction.


724 posted on 04/18/2007 5:04:34 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: RinaseaofDs

A 23 year old college senior needed help to write a crazy rambling letter and to make a video? Are you really so foolish?


725 posted on 04/18/2007 5:04:55 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: freeperfromnj

You said — “As will you.”

We’ll see who is still standing when the Jihadis come...

Regards,
Star Traveler


726 posted on 04/18/2007 5:05:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Cold Heat

Oh my. What can one say?

Good find! It must be on the list of “Recommended Reading for Lunatics”


727 posted on 04/18/2007 5:06:27 PM PDT by chickenNdumplings
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom
Thanks. I blew it up a little.


728 posted on 04/18/2007 5:06:28 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Ptarmigan
I saw the video. It’s really disturbing. Sounds like a real madman.

Ya think?

729 posted on 04/18/2007 5:07:32 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom

Now he says he has terror in his heart. Wonder if he spent time on terrorist web sites?? More points towards Islam than points away.

Pray for W and Va Tech


730 posted on 04/18/2007 5:07:55 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom

Very creepy handwriting (shiver)


731 posted on 04/18/2007 5:08:06 PM PDT by chickenNdumplings
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To: fso301

good point!


732 posted on 04/18/2007 5:09:01 PM PDT by LadyBuzz
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To: Star Traveler

“According to the press conference I just heard, they praised NBC for acting so quickly — and the *emphasized* this word — NBC *immediately* contacted authorities. That’s exactly what was said — and emphasized — at the news conference.”

Well sorry. It’s a 24/7 news period, there is a 3-4 hour gap between when Capus got it and when it was turned over. *NBC News Pres. Capus stated this to Matthews on Hardball at 7pm after the Bryan Williams Evening News.


733 posted on 04/18/2007 5:09:24 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: chickenNdumplings

used A. as his first name and Ismail as last, which is opposite of what was supposed to be on his arm.


734 posted on 04/18/2007 5:09:29 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: Kay Ludlow

Wow, you’re incredibly smart to think to do that. Thank you.


735 posted on 04/18/2007 5:10:45 PM PDT by jdm
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To: rbmillerjr

I think what Capus meant was there was a 3-4 hour period between when they received it and when they released it to the press in general. He said they called the authorities in immediately, but that they didn’t release the info to the public/general press until the 4:30 presser.


736 posted on 04/18/2007 5:10:57 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: NickatNite2003; All
You are 100% WRONG!

That's his parents' house, nobody but his family lived there, and his parents don't live in South Korea.

There's NO reason to believe that he's a Muslim convert, that the weird Ismael Ax refers to Islam, nor that this barbarous act was in any way influenced by Islamonazi terrorists. He mentions the two jerks, Kleebold and the other idiot, who did the Columbine massacre as "martyrs" and tries to claim that in some way he, Cho, is Christlike and being "martyred" for others "sins".

737 posted on 04/18/2007 5:12:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: milwguy

Perhaps it was supposed to read Ax Ismail on his arm?? Seems obsessed with Ishmael who was the father of the Muslim culture. Said he had terror in his heart and we ____ his brothers and sisters.

Pray for W and Our Troops


738 posted on 04/18/2007 5:13:20 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

You said — “Jihad allows all the faithful to be judge, jury and executioner. It matters not whether they are sane or insane.”

The “sane ones” (and that’s in terms of being able to function with tasks at hand and in the psychological and psychiatric sense) are the ones who are committed to their religio-governmental philosopy — as the ruling force for this world. That’s their idea.

The insane ones can barely function in any society and wouldn’t be even able to hold a coherent and understandable philosophy and maintain their own way in any socieity (Jihadist society or western society). We’re talking about being able to maintain and hold onto a coherent set of ideas and function in that society. The jidhadist have their ways and we have ours. Because they are different than ours doesn’t make them insane. However, what it does make them is evil — but evil is not insane.

This guy, the shooter is a nutjob and can’t even make sense about what his problems are and what his goals are — and if he has any philosophy that he spouts out, it’s a mish-mash of mixed up ideas in his own head. I’ve already read some of his stuff and have heard some of his own recorded comments. He can’t even make enough sense in his own statements.

At least the Jihadists makes some sense in the framework of their own beliefs and philosophies. This guy (the shooter) can’t even do that....

Regards,
Star Traveler


739 posted on 04/18/2007 5:13:29 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: milwguy

That wouldn’t be too surprising because Koreans write their names backward from the way we do it. So the A could still stand for Ax. Just one place he wrote it English style A. Ishmael, the other place he wrote it Korean style Ismail Ax (of course the spelling of Ishmael is different.)


740 posted on 04/18/2007 5:13:35 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: nopardons

Why call Kleebold a martyr instead of ‘hero’?


741 posted on 04/18/2007 5:14:23 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: bray

I WILL BE SHOCKED IF HE’S NOT A MUSLIM!!


742 posted on 04/18/2007 5:15:12 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

or wanna be Mooslim


743 posted on 04/18/2007 5:15:43 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: milwguy

There’s no accounting for lunatics.


744 posted on 04/18/2007 5:15:50 PM PDT by chickenNdumplings
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To: milwguy

Koreans and Chinese traditionally use family name first, then given name or names.

He seemed pretty out of it. Unimportant to him.


745 posted on 04/18/2007 5:15:55 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: roses of sharon

Or he made it beforehand. He had to have a plan for this well in advance. He bought the guns back in February and March.

}:-)4


746 posted on 04/18/2007 5:16:43 PM PDT by Moose4 (Today, we are all Hokies.)
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To: chickenNdumplings

That’s what I’m thinking. This is so mental, it’s beyond political.


747 posted on 04/18/2007 5:17:00 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: dawn53

“I think what Capus meant was there was a 3-4 hour period between when they received it and when they released it to the press in general. He said they called the authorities in immediately, but that they didn’t release the info to the public/general press until the 4:30 presser.”

Gotcha.


748 posted on 04/18/2007 5:17:11 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: jdm

Thanks! Remember that old TV show? “The facts, ma’am, just the facts”...


749 posted on 04/18/2007 5:17:53 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: harwood

I wonder if Howard Stern commented on that one....


750 posted on 04/18/2007 5:17:56 PM PDT by traumer
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