Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood
Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC
Not if they're engineering students.
Abraham had a son by Hagar who was born in Egypt. Abram (Abraham) and Hagar had the following son:
+88 i. Ishmael.
Well he does say he has “terror” in his heart. This guy is a writer and chose that word on purpose. This was a terrorist mission and the only thing to find out is what drove him to it. My guess is Islam.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Isn’t maroon their school color?
Excellent book.
Karl, take a look at the label photo.... Looks like “iel” to me.
Well now, that's interesting. I myself think he's a jihadi wannabe.
Yep. I think he was infatuated with the anarchy and destruction that Islamic terrorists create. I think he was a non-Islamic terrorist that got the idea for the shooting from watching Islamic terrorists. I also think he was a sympathizer, but that information just hasn't been released yet.
Pure speculation, of course.
I checked out your link - did you read much of that stuff?!?!
I think you’ve found the key to this whole thing! Here’s another link:
http://www.friendsofishmael.org/about/why_ishmael.shtml
This is an organization of real far lefties; they are seeking non-conventional methods for ‘changing the world’.
An Excerpt:
“On page 5 of Ishmael, Quinn’s narrator explains why he could never quite accept the idea that all there is to life is to “get a job, make some money, work till you’re sixty, then move to Florida and die.” A lot of us have a hard time with that concept, even feeling that somewhere someone has lied to us about a few things, though we can never put a finger on just what. We instinctively feel that there must be something more than this, yet day in and day out we trudge off to take our part in this story. How else are we going to put food on the table and pay the bills? If we work hard enough, we tell ourselves, perhaps one day we can be one of the rich and famous.....
more:
“Because of the way that it explains the root of so many of our current problems, Ishmael has influenced people in an unbelievable spectrum of areas. As mentioned, it has inspired the likes of Oprah Winfrey, Pearl Jam, Hollywood producers and CEO’s. But it is also influencing everyday folks like doctors and teachers throughout the world. Visit the Ishmael in Action section to learn more about the incredible diversity of people being changed by what they learned from Daniel Quinn...”
The VT massacre is truly the fruit of liberal brainwashing.
how sickning to use the NBC (or Fox or anyone) logos on the pictures.just sickning
Is there anyway to check handles on DU or KOS? It would be interesting if an “Ishmail” has ever logged on to those sites, considering this guy is appearing more and more to be a commie.
He also said “on behalf of my children”, which as far as I know, he doesn’t have any.
Oh great. The world's first emo mass murderer.
}:-)4
He did write alot. Maybe he wanted to be the Islamic version of Ask Abby
You said — “Why do you feel its your duty to squelch any discussion of terrorism?? Why cant it even be discussed?? Why are you being so Stalinistic about this?”
Others post their ideas and I post mine. This is a discussion. I present my end of the discussion.
You also asked — “Do you still think he was a jilted lover?”
Since I see that he has imaginary girlfriends (from what his dorm-mates have reported on the news) — yes, in his own apparently “nutball” brain of his — his imaginary girlfriends have jilted him.
In fact, he’s probably had about three or four imaginary girlfriends, three of which called the campus police on him (dorm-mates reported three stalkings) and had them tell him to quit bothering them...
Regards,
Star Traveler
I'm wondering if it were a University hospital or clinic that is under the Federal privacy regulations.
I know that every time I go to the Doctor, I have to sign a form that allows them to turn over medical information to my own insurance company.
How anal do you think a college clinic would be about letting information out?
What’s the deal with the haiku?
I know nothing will ever come of this, but I'm still puzzled by the coincidental appearance of a Palestinian student taking video and audio of the actual massacre. In his own words, he ran towards the gunfire, not away from it, then became a media star for a day because of it.
Well, don't go jumping
to conclusions! I haven't
mailed anything yet
to Katie Couric,
but that doesn't mean that I
haven't gone insane . . .
I've had the same impression. In his play, he speaks of pedophiles. Something happened to him.
Thanks...I did read thru it and thought maybe it was something he was into... This nutcase kid was a loner and could have easily been a part of a cult or believed some internet jibberish.
You said — “Dubbing tends to be a real-time thing. When do you figure they were doing that?”
Hmmm..., I’m not sure what form the media took. My guess, especially if I were going to do this — would be to send it on a CD disk (or even a DVD disk). So, in the even that it’s a CD or DVD disk — you’re talking about a few minutes to copy files from one place to the other.
Oh..., wait a minute — I do remember now. It was reported that he had several *QuickTime” files (I seem to remember that report). Therefore if that’s correct, it could only be delivered on CD or DVD. And also, they would be fairly small files, because QuickTime would compress it to a fairly small size.
Shouldn’t be any problem copying everything in a matter of a few minutes...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Yea, about these pictures. Caller on Savage show noted they were perfectly centered...hard to do if someone isn’t helping you, caller noted.
I’d like to know where this kid got the money for the guns. One gun, according to receipt, was (I believe $541...didn’t he have 2 and loads of ammo? Supposedly, his family isn’t wealthy. Where did he get the money to buy these expensive weapons?
Also, something is bothering me about an interview on TV today...one of the roommates, (can’t remember the name, middle eastern), stated that he didn’t speak with Cho, but knew Cho had started “going to the gym”. Wonder why he said this...wonder if that’s where Cho was going...
An earlier report (can't source it, sorry) mentioned he had a couple of credit cards which he maxed out. So, he apparently needed no cash and didn't plan to be around for the billing.
ping to my post
Schizophrenic with religous fixations and a martyr complex.
All sorts of pop culture and religious symbols, whirled through his own unique schizophrenic reality prism.
Tes, he was very mentally ill.
WHY? I don't know, all I know is what I heard him say.
for now good friend, this stinks and is absolutely unresolved.Another case in point is in his writings he praises 9/11 yet no NBC talking head has stated so.........
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp
Funny that this is also the abbreviation of the hall where he resided (Harper Hall). Didn't catch that until Moose mentioned the name. Sure like to be able to read that street name.
This loser was apparently on his own personal jihad whether or not he was a jihadist. He may have simply identified with any/all destructive philosophies/isms that have oozed out of the bowels of hell (communism, nazism, Islamic jihad, whatever).
What he complained about was people who were snobs and brats, who had gold chains, Mercedes, vodka and trust funds.
Very good analysis. It does seem like a mish-mash, doesn't it?
Sometimes kids who look
like "loners" belong to groups
of oddball sex nuts,
and the on-going
abuse adds to their rage and
others suffering
along with them might
help them strike out at the world
any way they can.
Before or after they called the FBI?
bttt
Naah, he probably took a lot of test pics with a digital camera until he got them the way he wanted.
I’d like to know where this kid got the money for the guns. One gun, according to receipt, was (I believe $541...didn’t he have 2 and loads of ammo? Supposedly, his family isn’t wealthy. Where did he get the money to buy these expensive weapons?
I think he used a credit card.
Also, something is bothering me about an interview on TV today...one of the roommates, (can’t remember the name, middle eastern), stated that he didn’t speak with Cho, but knew Cho had started “going to the gym”. Wonder why he said this...wonder if that’s where Cho was going...
I don't think he had any help with any of this. Apparently this punk never EVER talked to anybody, EVER. Either he was a complete psycho or had incredible will power. Or both.
I think we're going to learn a lot of interesting things when the cops start searching around his computer and dorm room. According to his roommates, he would sit and write on the computer for hours and hours. I wonder what he was writing?
So am I.
Their leaders might. However, those they get to blow themselves up, along with innocents, and other non-combatants are filled with hate, anger, and are every bit as fanatically crazy as Cho.
Actually no..., they’re not any more filled with hate than the FReepers were with Clinton and his shenanigans. In fact, I’ve seen interviews of kids (in the Palestinian Authority areas, in Israel) who are simply filled with eagerness to demonstrate their love for Allah and to gain “paradise”
Uh, I was referring to crazy people that blow up themselves and innocent people.
Thank you Valpal1. I was just guessing, based on what little I know of schizophrenia. Why didn’t the psychiatrist catch it? Or did he just go to “counselors”? So tragic. This might have all been averted with a proper diagnosis and meds, right?
I think this was a huge advertising stunt to get people to check out his ‘Ishmael philosphy’. It worked - I checked it out! (But I don’t buy into any of it!)
The reviews for the original Ishmael book are quite revealing! Here’s one:
“Who would have guessed that a gorilla named Ishmael would teach me more than most of my college professors! After participating in a global warming action day yesterday, I came home and thought about Ishmael and what he can teach us about living in harmony with our home planet and its inhabitants. Mother Culture has led us down a dead-end path. Ishmael helps us challenge Mother Culture and pay attention to Mother Earth.”
If anyone wants to see some of the other Amazon reviews for the Ishmael book, here’s a link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553375407/readishmaelco-20
I’ll be surprised if the MSM points the finger of blame in this direction...
You said: “Yea, about these pictures. Caller on Savage show noted they were perfectly centered...hard to do if someone isn’t helping you, caller noted.”
From this link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776
At times, Cho can be seen leaning forward to turn off the camera, suggesting that he shot the videos himself.
“What he complained about was people who were snobs and brats, who had gold chains, Mercedes, vodka and trust funds”
This is the lifestyle jihadists despise and want to destroy.
Now THIS is interesting speculation about “Ishmael.”
In the book, an ape named Ishmael communicates telepathically to an angry and disturbed young man, and the ape Ishmael spouts leftist drivel to the young man in the form of “you have done this” (i.e., destroyed planet earth) and “you have done that” (etc.) which is similar to the way Cho rants “You have” done this or that in his videos. Of course, the disturbed young man takes the ape’s sayings as being great wisdom (LOL).
This seems like a more interesting speculation on the Ishmael point than any other so far.
Va. Tech Killer Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit
Did he mention 9-11? I only heard/watched a tiny snippet of the video shown on NBC and haven’t read much of what he’s written yet (I briefly glanced at the one play he wrote and other excerpts of his writings that were released). It certainly wouldn’t surprise me if anything he said relating to 9-11 isn’t broadcasted - we’re supposed to forget we were attacked, imo.
A link?
Anything????
Other than "I was watching TV" that is.....
College students get credit card offers all the time, by mail, at the student union, and welcome back packages.
Citibank knows the students have little or no income, but they get it out there. And, somebody will pay the bill.
“Hi Dad, please send money.”
we’ll have to pay attention to what is reported that the FBI find on his PC.
I'm with you sister.
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