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Cho sent photos and rambling letter to NBC.
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Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood

Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC


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To: harwood
"most college students are anti-war and anti-Bush".

Not if they're engineering students.

801 posted on 04/18/2007 5:45:04 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Abraham had a son by Hagar who was born in Egypt. Abram (Abraham) and Hagar had the following son:
+88 i. Ishmael.


802 posted on 04/18/2007 5:45:39 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: advertising guy

Well he does say he has “terror” in his heart. This guy is a writer and chose that word on purpose. This was a terrorist mission and the only thing to find out is what drove him to it. My guess is Islam.

Pray for W and Our Troops


803 posted on 04/18/2007 5:46:23 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: thinking

Isn’t maroon their school color?


804 posted on 04/18/2007 5:46:51 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

805 posted on 04/18/2007 5:46:59 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Excellent book.


806 posted on 04/18/2007 5:47:01 PM PDT by Twink
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To: BurbankKarl

Karl, take a look at the label photo.... Looks like “iel” to me.


807 posted on 04/18/2007 5:48:38 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: dawn53
Also, as far as Ishmael or Ismail being a gamer tag, his suite mate said he never saw him play video games...he was always just writing in a word doc, and would do so for hours at a time.

Well now, that's interesting. I myself think he's a jihadi wannabe.

808 posted on 04/18/2007 5:49:08 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: Moose4
Maybe this guy wasn’t a Muslim nutter (just a nutter), but it sure looks like he picked up a few PR tips from the Palestinian splodeydopes.

Yep. I think he was infatuated with the anarchy and destruction that Islamic terrorists create. I think he was a non-Islamic terrorist that got the idea for the shooting from watching Islamic terrorists. I also think he was a sympathizer, but that information just hasn't been released yet.

Pure speculation, of course.

809 posted on 04/18/2007 5:49:15 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: RDTF

I checked out your link - did you read much of that stuff?!?!

I think you’ve found the key to this whole thing! Here’s another link:
http://www.friendsofishmael.org/about/why_ishmael.shtml

This is an organization of real far lefties; they are seeking non-conventional methods for ‘changing the world’.

An Excerpt:
“On page 5 of Ishmael, Quinn’s narrator explains why he could never quite accept the idea that all there is to life is to “get a job, make some money, work till you’re sixty, then move to Florida and die.” A lot of us have a hard time with that concept, even feeling that somewhere someone has lied to us about a few things, though we can never put a finger on just what. We instinctively feel that there must be something more than this, yet day in and day out we trudge off to take our part in this story. How else are we going to put food on the table and pay the bills? If we work hard enough, we tell ourselves, perhaps one day we can be one of the rich and famous.....

more:
“Because of the way that it explains the root of so many of our current problems, Ishmael has influenced people in an unbelievable spectrum of areas. As mentioned, it has inspired the likes of Oprah Winfrey, Pearl Jam, Hollywood producers and CEO’s. But it is also influencing everyday folks like doctors and teachers throughout the world. Visit the Ishmael in Action section to learn more about the incredible diversity of people being changed by what they learned from Daniel Quinn...”

The VT massacre is truly the fruit of liberal brainwashing.


810 posted on 04/18/2007 5:49:30 PM PDT by lucyblue
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

how sickning to use the NBC (or Fox or anyone) logos on the pictures.just sickning


811 posted on 04/18/2007 5:49:32 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: harwood

Is there anyway to check handles on DU or KOS? It would be interesting if an “Ishmail” has ever logged on to those sites, considering this guy is appearing more and more to be a commie.


812 posted on 04/18/2007 5:51:06 PM PDT by theanonymouslurker
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To: franklog

He also said “on behalf of my children”, which as far as I know, he doesn’t have any.


813 posted on 04/18/2007 5:51:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: LdSentinal
"Do you know what it feels like to be spit on your face and have trash shoved down your throat? Do you know what it feels like to dig your own grave? Do you know what it feels like to have you throat slashed from ear to ear. To you know what it feels like to be torched alive? Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled upon on a cross and left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life. Did you want to inject as much misery in our lives as you can, just because you can?"

Oh great. The world's first emo mass murderer.

}:-)4

814 posted on 04/18/2007 5:51:19 PM PDT by Moose4 (Today, we are all Hokies.)
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To: bray; Thinkin' Gal
Ax Ismail on his arm

He did write alot. Maybe he wanted to be the Islamic version of Ask Abby

815 posted on 04/18/2007 5:51:28 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: bray

You said — “Why do you feel its your duty to squelch any discussion of terrorism?? Why cant it even be discussed?? Why are you being so Stalinistic about this?”

Others post their ideas and I post mine. This is a discussion. I present my end of the discussion.

You also asked — “Do you still think he was a jilted lover?”

Since I see that he has imaginary girlfriends (from what his dorm-mates have reported on the news) — yes, in his own apparently “nutball” brain of his — his imaginary girlfriends have jilted him.

In fact, he’s probably had about three or four imaginary girlfriends, three of which called the campus police on him (dorm-mates reported three stalkings) and had them tell him to quit bothering them...

Regards,
Star Traveler


816 posted on 04/18/2007 5:52:19 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; CindyDawg
State beaurocracy! ha. ha. It takes them forever to corectly upload their data!

I'm wondering if it were a University hospital or clinic that is under the Federal privacy regulations.

I know that every time I go to the Doctor, I have to sign a form that allows them to turn over medical information to my own insurance company.

How anal do you think a college clinic would be about letting information out?

817 posted on 04/18/2007 5:53:19 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: theFIRMbss

What’s the deal with the haiku?


818 posted on 04/18/2007 5:53:33 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Moose4
like he picked up a few PR tips from the Palestinian splodeydopes

I know nothing will ever come of this, but I'm still puzzled by the coincidental appearance of a Palestinian student taking video and audio of the actual massacre. In his own words, he ran towards the gunfire, not away from it, then became a media star for a day because of it.

819 posted on 04/18/2007 5:54:48 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: jdm
>How do you manage to post in poem-like form, without going insane...

Well, don't go jumping
to conclusions! I haven't
mailed anything yet

to Katie Couric,
but that doesn't mean that I
haven't gone insane . . .

820 posted on 04/18/2007 5:55:13 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: silverleaf
He writes in images that suggest he was a victim of rape as a child.

I've had the same impression. In his play, he speaks of pedophiles. Something happened to him.

821 posted on 04/18/2007 5:55:46 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: lucyblue

Thanks...I did read thru it and thought maybe it was something he was into... This nutcase kid was a loner and could have easily been a part of a cult or believed some internet jibberish.


822 posted on 04/18/2007 5:56:22 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: ArmstedFragg

You said — “Dubbing tends to be a real-time thing. When do you figure they were doing that?”

Hmmm..., I’m not sure what form the media took. My guess, especially if I were going to do this — would be to send it on a CD disk (or even a DVD disk). So, in the even that it’s a CD or DVD disk — you’re talking about a few minutes to copy files from one place to the other.

Oh..., wait a minute — I do remember now. It was reported that he had several *QuickTime” files (I seem to remember that report). Therefore if that’s correct, it could only be delivered on CD or DVD. And also, they would be fairly small files, because QuickTime would compress it to a fairly small size.

Shouldn’t be any problem copying everything in a matter of a few minutes...

Regards,
Star Traveler


823 posted on 04/18/2007 5:56:59 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Yea, about these pictures. Caller on Savage show noted they were perfectly centered...hard to do if someone isn’t helping you, caller noted.

I’d like to know where this kid got the money for the guns. One gun, according to receipt, was (I believe $541...didn’t he have 2 and loads of ammo? Supposedly, his family isn’t wealthy. Where did he get the money to buy these expensive weapons?

Also, something is bothering me about an interview on TV today...one of the roommates, (can’t remember the name, middle eastern), stated that he didn’t speak with Cho, but knew Cho had started “going to the gym”. Wonder why he said this...wonder if that’s where Cho was going...


824 posted on 04/18/2007 5:57:47 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: milford421
I’d like to know where this kid got the money for the guns.

An earlier report (can't source it, sorry) mentioned he had a couple of credit cards which he maxed out. So, he apparently needed no cash and didn't plan to be around for the billing.

825 posted on 04/18/2007 5:59:40 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

ping to my post


826 posted on 04/18/2007 5:59:44 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: chickenNdumplings

Schizophrenic with religous fixations and a martyr complex.

All sorts of pop culture and religious symbols, whirled through his own unique schizophrenic reality prism.

Tes, he was very mentally ill.


827 posted on 04/18/2007 6:00:33 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Social vs fiscal conservtism? Sorry, I'm not voting my wallet over the broken bodies of the innocent)
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To: milwguy
He used Kleebold and the other guy, the same way that he used Jesus as being a martyr and himself.

WHY? I don't know, all I know is what I heard him say.

828 posted on 04/18/2007 6:00:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: bray

for now good friend, this stinks and is absolutely unresolved.Another case in point is in his writings he praises 9/11 yet no NBC talking head has stated so.........


829 posted on 04/18/2007 6:01:00 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe; Moose4; BurbankKarl
Check the supposed return address at post 728. 88 is a neo nazi code for Heil Hitler. H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. 88 = HH. It's ADL, but here's a reference:

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp

Funny that this is also the abbreviation of the hall where he resided (Harper Hall). Didn't catch that until Moose mentioned the name. Sure like to be able to read that street name.

This loser was apparently on his own personal jihad whether or not he was a jihadist. He may have simply identified with any/all destructive philosophies/isms that have oozed out of the bowels of hell (communism, nazism, Islamic jihad, whatever).

830 posted on 04/18/2007 6:02:15 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
He tried to portray himself as a Christlike figure He also said something along the lines ;you will never know the humiliation of being impaled on a cross and suffering

I heard that too. I believe I remember him comparing his death to that of Christ on the cross, then rambled on, grandiosely, to link his name to that of various known killers, martyrs, whatever came to his sick mind. I am beginning to think he used the name Ishmael/Ismail, to associate himself with the 9/11 terrorists, any attempt to link his unremarkable, miserable self with any incident recognized by our popular culture as horror.
A deadly, insane loser.
Dunno, just some thoughts, time will tell.
831 posted on 04/18/2007 6:02:58 PM PDT by mstar
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To: Suzy Quzy
Then be prepared to be shocked! He was NOT a Muslim and never mentioned Islam, al Qaeda, nor Mohammad in the clips shown on T.V.!

What he complained about was people who were snobs and brats, who had gold chains, Mercedes, vodka and trust funds.

832 posted on 04/18/2007 6:03:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Thinkin' Gal
He may have simply identified with any/all destructive philosophies/isms that have oozed out of the bowels of hell (communism, nazism, Islamic jihad, whatever).

Very good analysis. It does seem like a mish-mash, doesn't it?

833 posted on 04/18/2007 6:03:50 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: tsmith130
>I've had the same impression. In his play, he speaks of pedophiles. Something happened to him

Sometimes kids who look
like "loners" belong to groups
of oddball sex nuts,

and the on-going
abuse adds to their rage and
others suffering

along with them might
help them strike out at the world
any way they can.

834 posted on 04/18/2007 6:04:38 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Star Traveler
Shouldn’t be any problem copying everything in a matter of a few minutes...

Before or after they called the FBI?

835 posted on 04/18/2007 6:04:59 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: LdSentinal

bttt


836 posted on 04/18/2007 6:05:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: milford421
Yea, about these pictures. Caller on Savage show noted they were perfectly centered...hard to do if someone isn’t helping you, caller noted.

Naah, he probably took a lot of test pics with a digital camera until he got them the way he wanted.

I’d like to know where this kid got the money for the guns. One gun, according to receipt, was (I believe $541...didn’t he have 2 and loads of ammo? Supposedly, his family isn’t wealthy. Where did he get the money to buy these expensive weapons?

I think he used a credit card.

Also, something is bothering me about an interview on TV today...one of the roommates, (can’t remember the name, middle eastern), stated that he didn’t speak with Cho, but knew Cho had started “going to the gym”. Wonder why he said this...wonder if that’s where Cho was going...

I don't think he had any help with any of this. Apparently this punk never EVER talked to anybody, EVER. Either he was a complete psycho or had incredible will power. Or both.

I think we're going to learn a lot of interesting things when the cops start searching around his computer and dorm room. According to his roommates, he would sit and write on the computer for hours and hours. I wonder what he was writing?

837 posted on 04/18/2007 6:05:56 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: RDTF

So am I.


838 posted on 04/18/2007 6:05:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Star Traveler
At least the Jihadists makes some sense in the framework of their own beliefs and philosophies. This guy (the shooter) can’t even do that.

Their leaders might. However, those they get to blow themselves up, along with innocents, and other non-combatants are filled with hate, anger, and are every bit as fanatically crazy as Cho.

Actually no..., they’re not any more filled with hate than the FReepers were with Clinton and his shenanigans. In fact, I’ve seen interviews of kids (in the Palestinian Authority areas, in Israel) who are simply filled with eagerness to demonstrate their love for Allah and to gain “paradise”

Uh, I was referring to crazy people that blow up themselves and innocent people.

839 posted on 04/18/2007 6:07:12 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Valpal1

Thank you Valpal1. I was just guessing, based on what little I know of schizophrenia. Why didn’t the psychiatrist catch it? Or did he just go to “counselors”? So tragic. This might have all been averted with a proper diagnosis and meds, right?


840 posted on 04/18/2007 6:07:51 PM PDT by chickenNdumplings
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To: RDTF

I think this was a huge advertising stunt to get people to check out his ‘Ishmael philosphy’. It worked - I checked it out! (But I don’t buy into any of it!)

The reviews for the original Ishmael book are quite revealing! Here’s one:

“Who would have guessed that a gorilla named Ishmael would teach me more than most of my college professors! After participating in a global warming action day yesterday, I came home and thought about Ishmael and what he can teach us about living in harmony with our home planet and its inhabitants. Mother Culture has led us down a dead-end path. Ishmael helps us challenge Mother Culture and pay attention to Mother Earth.”

If anyone wants to see some of the other Amazon reviews for the Ishmael book, here’s a link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553375407/readishmaelco-20

I’ll be surprised if the MSM points the finger of blame in this direction...


841 posted on 04/18/2007 6:08:54 PM PDT by lucyblue
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To: milford421

You said: “Yea, about these pictures. Caller on Savage show noted they were perfectly centered...hard to do if someone isn’t helping you, caller noted.”

From this link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776
At times, Cho can be seen leaning forward to turn off the camera, suggesting that he shot the videos himself.


842 posted on 04/18/2007 6:09:22 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: nopardons

“What he complained about was people who were snobs and brats, who had gold chains, Mercedes, vodka and trust funds”

This is the lifestyle jihadists despise and want to destroy.


843 posted on 04/18/2007 6:10:24 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: lucyblue

Now THIS is interesting speculation about “Ishmael.”

In the book, an ape named Ishmael communicates telepathically to an angry and disturbed young man, and the ape Ishmael spouts leftist drivel to the young man in the form of “you have done this” (i.e., destroyed planet earth) and “you have done that” (etc.) which is similar to the way Cho rants “You have” done this or that in his videos. Of course, the disturbed young man takes the ape’s sayings as being great wisdom (LOL).

This seems like a more interesting speculation on the Ishmael point than any other so far.


844 posted on 04/18/2007 6:11:15 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: oceanview
a court order issued in what context, he had no criminal record I thought?

Va. Tech Killer Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit

845 posted on 04/18/2007 6:12:14 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: advertising guy

Did he mention 9-11? I only heard/watched a tiny snippet of the video shown on NBC and haven’t read much of what he’s written yet (I briefly glanced at the one play he wrote and other excerpts of his writings that were released). It certainly wouldn’t surprise me if anything he said relating to 9-11 isn’t broadcasted - we’re supposed to forget we were attacked, imo.


846 posted on 04/18/2007 6:12:25 PM PDT by Twink
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To: harwood
Got text?

A link?

Anything????

Other than "I was watching TV" that is.....

847 posted on 04/18/2007 6:12:30 PM PDT by humblegunner (?)
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To: milford421

College students get credit card offers all the time, by mail, at the student union, and welcome back packages.

Citibank knows the students have little or no income, but they get it out there. And, somebody will pay the bill.

“Hi Dad, please send money.”


848 posted on 04/18/2007 6:12:36 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: lucyblue

we’ll have to pay attention to what is reported that the FBI find on his PC.


849 posted on 04/18/2007 6:13:46 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: Thinkin' Gal
This loser was apparently on his own personal jihad whether or not he was a jihadist. He may have simply identified with any/all destructive philosophies/isms that have oozed out of the bowels of hell (communism, nazism, Islamic jihad, whatever).

I'm with you sister.

850 posted on 04/18/2007 6:14:07 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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