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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE 'PRO-LIFE'?
hillary clinton, Hannity & Colmes, YouTube ^ | 4.19.07 | Mia T

Posted on 04/19/2007 11:04:50 AM PDT by Mia T

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE 'PRO-LIFE'?


by Mia T, 4.18.07

 

HILLARY TAKES VILLAGE: teen abortion / no parent notification (YouTube)



From the Senate: Statement on Supreme Court's Gonzales v. Carhart Decision Washington, DC --

4/18/2007

"This decision marks a dramatic departure from four decades of Supreme Court rulings that upheld a woman's right to choose and recognized the importance of women's health. Today's decision blatantly defies the Court's recent decision in 2000 striking down a state partial-birth abortion law because of its failure to provide an exception for the health of the mother. As the Supreme Court recognized in Roe v. Wade in 1973, this issue is complex and highly personal; the rights and lives of women must be taken into account. It is precisely this erosion of our constitutional rights that I warned against when I opposed the nominations of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito."

HILLARY CLINTON ON SCOTUS DECISION

HANNITY: Partial birth?

GIULIANI: I think that's going to be upheld. I think it should be. as long as there's provision for the life of the mother then that's something that should be done.

HANNITY: There's a misconception that you support a partial birth abortion.

GIULIANI: If it doesn't have provision for the mother I wouldn't support the legislation. If it has provision for the life of the mother I would support....

GIULIANI: I think the appointment of judges that I would make would be very similar to if not exactly the same as the last two judges that were appointed. Chief Justice Roberts is somebody I work with, somebody I admire. Justice Alito, someone I knew when he was US attorney, also admire. If I had been president over the last four years, I can't think of any-- that I'd do anything different with that. I guess the key is and I appointed over 100 judges when I was the mayor so it's something I take very, very seriously. I would appoint judges that interpreted the constitution rather than invented it. Understood the difference of being a judge and a legislator. And having argued a case before the Supreme Court, having argued in many, many courts is something I would take very seriously.

HANNITY: So you would look for a Scalia, Roberts, Alito.

GIULIANI: Scalia is another former colleague of mine and somebody I consider to be a great judge. You are never going to get somebody exactly the same. I don't think you have a litmus test. But I do think you have a general philosophical approach that you want from a justice. I think a strict construction would be probably the way I describe it.

Giuliani on Hannity: VIDEO AND TRANSCRIPT

 

 

COMMENT:

Premise: The only thing electorally each of us controls is our own vote.
Corollary: Each of us is responsible for the consequences of our own vote.

If we take the primary and the general election separately, that helps to define the problem.

IMO, we are faced, in the primary with selecting someone who will successfully prosecute the war, someone who will successfully protect and defend the Constitution. I suspect no one will disagree with this.

But we must also select someone who can win, for reasons that are obvious to me, but not, apparently, to some in this forum.

Anyone who demonstrates to me he can satisfy all of the above gets my attention, and the one who satisfies it best will get my support.

Notice that I do not mention ideological purity. I don't even mention ideology. Lincoln understood that sometimes you must go outside the system to save the system, that Lady Liberty cannot lift herself up by her own bootstraps.

So in step one, the primary, if you (or I) vote for and help nominate a sure loser in the name of ideological purity or for whatever reason, then yes, you are (or I am) helping to elect hillary clinton or whichever D is nominated.

In the general, if it's hillary vs. Rudy, say, and you don't vote, or vote 3rd party, then you are helping to elect hillary clinton. To think that you have any other options in this de facto 2-party system of ours is self-delusion.

And if you help to elect hillary clinton, you must bear the responsibility for all the deaths of all the children, unborn, living, and not yet even imagined that will flow from that election.

Those are the facts. You may not like them. They may disturb your idea of 'pro-life' as viewed through the narrow lens of abortion.

Dilemmas are tough. Life is full of them. Cognitive dissonance is not comfortable and many here, (and most if not all of us some time or other), find comfort in rationalizing dilemmas away.

But the problem is still there; you are no closer to the real solution. To the contrary. You are fast approaching real disaster. I sincerely hope you see it before it is too late.


POSTSCRIPT

MORALITY: Nothing less than morality undergirds my argument. What I am disputing are not your moral underpinnings--I admire them-- but rather your failure to acknowledge that your solution is no less (and I would argue, far more) immoral than the alternative.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE: No insult intended. Dilemmas cause cognitive dissonance. No option is wholly satisfactory. I understand why you don't want to vote for someone who is pro-choice. But there is a dilemma: Your solution, to vote 3rd party or sit home, ultimately helps to elect someone who is by your very own criteria far worse than Rudy.

They may disturb your idea of 'pro-life' as viewed through the narrow lens of abortion.

This statement is not meant as an insult. Being 'pro-life' means so much more than simply being against abortion. When we fail to acknowledge that fact, we do dangerous, irrational, ultimately self-destructive things like helping to elect hillary clinton.


"The power of the harasser, the abuser, the rapist depends above all on the silence of women." (Ursula K. LeGuin)



VOTE SMART: A WARNING TO ALL WOMEN ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON

by Mia T, 3.11.07
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COPYRIGHT MIA T 2007

 



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To: kevkrom; MACVSOG68; M Kehoe; indylindy; FrPR; yoe; Preachin'; Cincinatus' Wife; fewz; E.G.C.; ...

Mia T is no longer allowed to post on FR. She asked me to express her regrets that she cannot answer your thoughtful comments.

She would like to thank everyone who has extended support and kindness to her over the years.

If you cannot do this, I will understand.

thanx~mia :)


151 posted on 04/20/2007 2:12:22 PM PDT by jla
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To: TommyDale
One of the more profound statements of the day, and worth repeating:

America is not a "bigger version of New York." New York is a caricature of politics. It represents everything that most family-values oriented Republicans cannot accept."

152 posted on 04/20/2007 2:12:55 PM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: jla

Oh no! This is ... too much.


153 posted on 04/20/2007 2:22:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: jla
Mia T is no longer allowed to post on FR.

What happened with that?


154 posted on 04/20/2007 2:24:28 PM PDT by rdb3 (There's no place like 127.0.0.1 (Get well Snowman!))
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To: jla

BTTT


155 posted on 04/20/2007 2:28:13 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: jla

WHAT???


156 posted on 04/20/2007 2:28:44 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: jla

WHAT??? What do you mean she isn`t allowed to post? Wow, she was one of my favorite Freepers! What happened? I hope you don`t mean she is unable to post meaning she is ill? I can`t understand why she wouldn`t be allowed, please not at this time when Hellary is running for POTUS!


157 posted on 04/20/2007 2:29:09 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: MHGinTN
What a loss! Mia T is one of the most articulate, intelligent, talented anti-Liberal posters here. She, like many of us, recognizes that Hillary Clinton will be a disaster for this country, if she is allowed to win the White House, bringing the Horndog with her!

Unbelievable!

158 posted on 04/20/2007 2:31:01 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - '08 (But Only If We Want To Win!))
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To: jla

Mia gone? the shark just jumped.


159 posted on 04/20/2007 2:33:35 PM PDT by steveo (Is there anything else I can help you with today?)
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To: KATIE-O

You left out creative ... she is one of the creative minds at FR. I cannot imagine what could cause this turn of fortunes.


160 posted on 04/20/2007 2:37:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: TommyDale
America is not a "bigger version of New York".

New York is a caricature of politics.

It represents everything that most family-values oriented Republicans cannot accept.

Amen brother.

161 posted on 04/20/2007 2:54:51 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Liz
America is not a "bigger version of New York." New York is a caricature of politics. It represents everything that most family-values oriented Republicans cannot accept."

I concur, but not all NYers are bad, or even pro-abortion.
I happen to know of a sweet Jewish gal residing there who is indeed very much pro-life.

162 posted on 04/20/2007 2:57:00 PM PDT by jla
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To: jla

WHAT!?!

(THANKS FOR THE PING!)


163 posted on 04/20/2007 3:10:24 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: jla

HUH?

Boy I have to read this thread!


164 posted on 04/20/2007 3:10:52 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got Towel?)
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To: jla

HUH?

Boy I have to read this thread!


165 posted on 04/20/2007 3:11:03 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got Towel?)
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To: jla

I’m sad. This was one of the most vituperative threads I’ve seen on FR, and then it ended on an even worse note.

Keep up the creative work, MiaT. No one lambastes Hillary with more style than you do.


166 posted on 04/20/2007 3:12:35 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Ahmadinejad's new nickname: "Nuclear Cho".)
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To: jla

Will we find out why? Since she has contributed SO MUCH to this forum and it happened on a thread where the Rudy Haters hang out and trash they stuff, I can only imagine.

The hardest working, most creative BEST and BRIGHTEST posters are no longer here. One by one they are gone. I dare not comment on what has ‘taken over’ but it’s not conservatism!


167 posted on 04/20/2007 3:18:03 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: jla

I’m so sad mia will no longer be allowed to post on FR. I’ll miss her threads. I don’t know if she has asked, but I hope sincerely, JimR will reconsider the decision to ban her and invite her back.

I’ve been here since 1998, and I still miss some dear ones, Memphis Belle, Larrylied, Old Atlanta to name a few. I hate adding another name to the list, another online friend no longer able to share their ideas with the rest of us.


168 posted on 04/20/2007 3:18:49 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: Mia T

I always tell people that I am “anti-abortion” NOT pro-life because I believe in the death penalty. Therefore, I cannot truly call myself pro-life. But, I am anti-abortion.


169 posted on 04/20/2007 3:22:25 PM PDT by no dems (To: Our GOP Prez, Congress of big-spenders, crooks, and pedophiles: You failed us miserably.)
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To: Gracey
WAKE UP AMERICA.

I believe America is awake, it's FR that doesn't 'get it'. But, then again, the best and brightest are no longer here. The haters, twisters of facts, name callers are too busy trashing to get a clue.
170 posted on 04/20/2007 3:27:01 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: jla

Duly noted.


171 posted on 04/20/2007 3:27:45 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: All

Sorry, I call BS.

There have been more heated threads on FR, But, I just went through the whole thing.

Mia T should not have gotten a ban for this. Everyone here has an opinion and facts to back it up. If not, they get nailed for it. Mia T had facts, she just differed from others here.

Mia T should not be silenced for that.


172 posted on 04/20/2007 3:35:26 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got Towel?)
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To: jla

Mia, a note of appreciation for your creativity and ability to stick it to Hillary and Bill.


173 posted on 04/20/2007 3:40:34 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: AZLiberty
I’m sad. This was one of the most vituperative threads I’ve seen on FR, and then it ended on an even worse note.

Yes it did, but this one's nothing compared to a Schiavo or Katrina thread. I sure hate that MiaT is gone.


174 posted on 04/20/2007 4:01:40 PM PDT by rdb3 (There's no place like 127.0.0.1 (Get well Snowman!))
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To: jla

I must be missing something. I’ve read through the thread — can see no viola-—. Did someone think she was a Rudy supporter? Is this why she was banned?


175 posted on 04/20/2007 4:03:37 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

Evidently.


176 posted on 04/20/2007 4:04:52 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: jla

Mia gone?!? What the heck is going on here that I missed?

Can somebody fill me in?


177 posted on 04/20/2007 4:09:30 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (ought)
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To: Alia
I’ve read through the thread — can see no viola-—.

Neither can I.


178 posted on 04/20/2007 4:14:31 PM PDT by rdb3 (There's no place like 127.0.0.1 (Get well Snowman!))
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To: Howlin

Sure looks like.


179 posted on 04/20/2007 4:19:32 PM PDT by Alia
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To: rdb3

Thought I passed by a comment in a thread the other day with some poster snarking about there being a “crack-down” in this forum. Poster sounded really excited, like he or she was getting to watch a beheading, train wreck, er somethin. Is this the crackdown? (rhetorically asking you, rdb3).


180 posted on 04/20/2007 4:22:07 PM PDT by Alia
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To: jla; Mia T
Mia T is no longer allowed to post on FR.

???

I'm not going to ping Jim, but I would like updates jla.

5.56mm

181 posted on 04/20/2007 4:27:08 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Alia
Is this the crackdown?

I dunno, and I don't get it.


182 posted on 04/20/2007 4:27:54 PM PDT by rdb3 (There's no place like 127.0.0.1 (Get well Snowman!))
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To: All

Mia I just got the news you were banned I am so sorry. I miss your posts already. I feel horrible!


183 posted on 04/20/2007 4:31:56 PM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: M Kehoe
Better that Mia explain this herself.
She has asked me to give her email to anyone requesting it. Of course this will be via Freep-mail per FR posting rules.
184 posted on 04/20/2007 4:32:18 PM PDT by jla
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To: jla
Mia T is no longer allowed to post on FR. She asked me to express her regrets that she cannot answer your thoughtful comments.

I am extremely troubled by this. Mia has a tremendous knowledge of politics, and is a strong and true conservative. I'm sure all of us who want to see a strong Republican leader emerge who has a grasp of the all important issues facing America today will likely be zotted. In fact, one poster here wants "all of our a$$es zotted.

I guess that is the end for conservative dialog, but it seemed to be dying here anyway. It would seem that the zotting of Mia was a warning to the rest of us who actually think to keep our opinions to ourselves or follow a similar fate. I guess its hard to imagine a conservative website with the history of Free Republic, shutting off conservative voices for no other reason than their political philosophy. I'm sure I'm next, so have at it. And good luck putting together your grand coalition based around a social agenda most of America simply does not want to hear about now with so much facing this Nation.

Mia, you are a true conservative and a true American. Good luck.

185 posted on 04/20/2007 4:34:54 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: AZLiberty

Look for comments removed. Theirin lies the key.


186 posted on 04/20/2007 4:41:23 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: jla; Liz
"America is not a "bigger version of New York." New York is a caricature of politics. It represents everything that most family-values oriented Republicans cannot accept."

Since that is my quote, I think my word "most" is the indicator that I don't believe all New Yorkers are bad. And a few people here know that I like some New Yorkers...

187 posted on 04/20/2007 4:46:03 PM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: Alia
Did someone think she was a Rudy supporter? Is this why she was banned?

I doubt she was removed because "someone thought" she was a Rudy supporter. Contrary to common thought by some, I haven't seen anyone banned just because they are a Rudy supporter. Of course die-hard Rudy fans believe this, just as it has been said for years that "all the good posters have been banned."

Now again the demise of FR has been predicted on this thread just as it has for years when someone is no longer posting because of banning, timeout or personal choice. It is still here doing what it has always done IMO

188 posted on 04/20/2007 4:51:20 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: MACVSOG68
Oh, I don't need to re-read it. I have seen it posted here a hundred times by all those who fear reasoned debate and simply want all but the social right to disappear, much like what happens on DU.

*************

I disagree. Respecting the written statement of the founder of this site is not fearing "reasoned debate". Comparing that respect to what goes on at DU is insulting.

189 posted on 04/20/2007 4:53:59 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: presently no screen name
I believe America is awake, it's FR that doesn't 'get it'. But, then again, the best and brightest are no longer here. The haters, twisters of facts, name callers are too busy trashing to get a clue.

Well, there you go...a most excellent thread turns into a New York bash. Mia is gone, one of the most intelligent and talented FReepers, who I was proud to call FRiend. I am so sad tonight.
190 posted on 04/20/2007 4:54:09 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Syncro

So then, why do you supposed Mia was banned?


191 posted on 04/20/2007 4:54:20 PM PDT by jla
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To: TommyDale
And a few people here know that I like some New Yorkers...

That's really big of you, TommyDale.
192 posted on 04/20/2007 5:00:18 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Syncro
Your explanation is circular.

Why was she banned?

193 posted on 04/20/2007 5:00:45 PM PDT by Alia
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To: jla
I have no idea.

I do know that in the past when I have seen someone banned that it is common to look on the last thread and question the wisdom of the banning because there can be found no post to substantiate it on the current thread.

Usually management (this is just my take you understand) sees things happening, thoughts and posts that they take to be counter to the furtherance of FR and it’s goals. And over a period of time, not just all of a sudden.

Of course sudden bannings do happen, but usually only when they are obviously very negative to FR or make it look bad. Such as "kill all democrats" or something like that. Only Shakespeare got away with that, but of course that was lawyers.

I do know that FR has withstood numerous cries of "It's dead, Jim" but it seems to keep going.

Sorry I couldn't be of much help with your question

194 posted on 04/20/2007 5:02:32 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: TommyDale
Here's the key: America is not a "bigger version of New York". New York is a caricature of politics. It represents everything that most family-values oriented Republicans cannot accept.

*************

Thank goodness.

195 posted on 04/20/2007 5:02:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Syncro

Thank you though for your reply.


196 posted on 04/20/2007 5:04:00 PM PDT by jla
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To: Alia
Sorry you saw it as circular. I understood it linearly, and I imagine most others did too

I don’t know why she was banned.

197 posted on 04/20/2007 5:06:22 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
I went looking.

Are you obliquely referencing (aka: dancing lightly around) this thread?

Or, this one?

Sort of a sh-sh deal understood by some, unclear to others?

198 posted on 04/20/2007 5:08:47 PM PDT by Alia
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To: presently no screen name
I believe America is awake, it's FR that doesn't 'get it'. But, then again, the best and brightest are no longer here

You are still here.

199 posted on 04/20/2007 5:10:21 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
You just laid out exactly why Mia was banned.

Thank you for not explaining. And here I thought courage was the word and focus of the day.

200 posted on 04/20/2007 5:11:42 PM PDT by Alia
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