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Giulianiís Lead Shrinks ("It was cold in the pool")
Moderate Voice ^ | 4/19/07

Posted on 04/19/2007 7:49:28 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside

Giuliani’s Lead Shrinks

By Michael van der Galien

Bad news for Rudy Giuliani: his lead in the polls is shrinking quite dramatically. The main cause seems to be… (growing) support for Fred Thompson - who still has to announce his candidacy. Where, in February, “44 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents preferred” him for the nomination, “that figure is [now] down to 33 percent.”

McCain, meanwhile, holds steady at 21 percent, Fred Thompson “ran third in this poll, with 9 percent, tying him with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney.”

Romney, in other words, is rising in the polls. To be frank, I find it surprising that his numbers are still, relatively, low. Romney is a terrific CEO, became Republican Governor of a Blue state and handled himself well. He saved the Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, which made him popular among quite some people (and gave him experience useful for a presidential candidate, to say the least).

Romney is, in my opinion, a good candidate. Better than most.

Support for him rising, and I am sure that it will continue to rise.

That being said, he has one major problem: 44% said they would definitely not vote for him.

44%.

Considering his resumé on the one hand, and the fact that most people don’t know much about him on the other, leads me to believe that these individuals have a problem with Romney… because of his faith. That, I have to say, is something I find quite appalling. He is a Mormon: so what?

McCain has a major problem as well in this regard: where he was first popular among Republican leaning independents and, yes, even among Democrats, that has now changed: 47 percent of those asked said that they would definitely not vote for him.

This means that McCain is now a more-polarizing figure than Hillary Clinton: 45% of Americans said that they would definitely not vote for her.

Talking about Hillary Clinton: as said, she still - easily - leads the pack in the polls. Her numbers remain the same: 37 percent (against 36% in February) of Democratic voters say they intend to vote for the former First Lady. Barack Obama is falling behind with 20% - down from 24%. Al Gore - who has not announced his candidacy yet - received the support of 17% of Democratic (leaning) voters. John Edwards is in fourth place with 14%.


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KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; fred; fredthompson; giuliani; rudy; runfredrun; stoprudy2008
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To: massadvj

“He will have milk and chocolate chip cookies waiting for you.”

No doubt baked and served by one of the queers he lived with.


51 posted on 04/19/2007 10:12:58 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Or, put simply, you do not have any core beliefs that you are not willing to compromise for the sake of winning a political race.

I did not say that. If this were true, I'd have supported Clinton over Dole. My purpose is simply to get back to the point that the most relevant discussions in politics are occurring within the Republican Party. Once that happens, you will find me vociferously opposed to anything anti-conservative Giuliani proposes, just as I have vociferously opposed much of GWB's agenda including Prescription Drugs for seniors, McCain-Feingold, Ted Kennedy's Education Bill, Harriet Miers, Amnesty for Illegals, and so forth.

None of these political skirmishes would have been relevant without power. Today we have no power and the relevant discussions are at DU. When to surrender, now or next year. Great. We have to get the power back, and Giuliani is the only vessel capable of getting us there.

52 posted on 04/19/2007 10:21:31 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

“If you spin, twist, gloss and lie enough you could make a conservative case for Howard Dean.”

Dean is a leftist nutball, however he is just to the right of Ghouliani.


53 posted on 04/19/2007 10:22:43 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
No doubt baked and served by one of the queers he lived with.

Hopefully, the person with the, shall we say, alternative lifestyle, will be welcomed into the fold so that we can get to a majority. But we'll have the cookies tested for various communicable diseases just to be on the safe side.

54 posted on 04/19/2007 10:24:33 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: Mr. Brightside

He could make a handsome living modeling women’s clothes?


55 posted on 04/19/2007 10:26:36 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo (If the Moon didn't exist, people would have traveled to Mars by now.)
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To: ellery

I think you nailed that one.Pretty obvious when one thinks about it.


56 posted on 04/19/2007 10:27:53 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: AmericanMade1776; bcbuster; Bluestateredman; cardinal4; carton253; cgk; CheyennePress; ...

Ping!


57 posted on 04/19/2007 10:29:48 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: massadvj

Rooty could have caviar, old whiskey and a thousand dollar hooker waiting for me and its still no sale. You nominate him, you elect him, end of story.


58 posted on 04/19/2007 11:04:32 PM PDT by Hatband
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To: massadvj; All
"The culture is not conservative anymore. Period. We can lament it until we are dinosaurs, but it is a fact. All of the data out there, including and especially the 2006 election results, say so."

Come-on, chief. The philosophy of conservatism hasn't dominated the political movement of this country for a long-time. To say we lost 2006 due to conservatism...haha. We lost primarily due to perceived corruption, Iraq, and scores of bad PR.

I could tell you right now had we not went in Iraq, kept our mouths shut a bit more, and threw-out a few bad apples before they turned moldy....ohh, and actually acted conservative *whatever that is!?*....we'd dominate the country! I have no doubt of that. Conservatism isn't the problem, it's the constant comprimising of ideals to 'praticality'. There has to be a boundary.

Ideally it's an even view among the two, but I tend to view our demise as a continual comprimise.
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Best quote on my thoughts:
I don't know who went to this place--William Howard Taft, William Jennings Bryan, William Tell--whoever. Their spirit is dead; if they ever had one, it's gone. You're building a rat ship here. A vessel for sea-going snitches. And if you think your preparing these "minnows" for manhood, you better think again. Because I say you are killing the very spirit this institution proclaims it instills! What a sham! What kind of show are you guys puttin' on here today? I mean, the only class in this act is sittin' next to me. And I'm here to tell you, this boy's soul is in tact. It is non-negotiable. You know how I know? Because someone here--I'm not gonna say who--offered to buy it. Only Charlie here wasn't selling.....

I'm not finished! As I came in here, I heard those words...cradle of leadership. Well, when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall. And it has fallen here, it has fallen! Makers of men, creators of leaders, be careful what kind of leaders you're producing here. I don't know if it's the Charlie's silence here today is right or wrong; I'm no judge or jury. But I can tell you this; we won't sell anybody out to buy his future! And that, my friends, is called integrity. That's called courage. Now that's the stuff leaders should be made of. (pause) Now I have come to the crossroads in my life. I always knew what the right path was. Without exception, I knew. But I never took it. You know why? Because it's too damn hard. Now here's Charlie; he's come to the crossroads. And he's chosen a path. It's the right path. It's a path made of principle, that leads to character. Let him continue on his journey. You hold this boy's future in your hands, committee! It's a valuable future. Believe me! Don't destroy it...protect it...embrace it. It's going to make you proud some day...I promise you.--- Scent of a Woman


Embrace conservatism!
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59 posted on 04/19/2007 11:26:00 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson)
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To: massadvj
I don't see any viable candidate running as a 3rd party candidate.

I didn't say it would be a viable third party candidate. I said it would be a third party candidate that would siphon off enough votes to throw the election to the donks. Given how close elections are these days, and how energized the dems are (i.e., less likely to vote third-party in '08 than we are), it wouldn't take a whole lot. And there are a LOT of social conservatives who will not vote for a pro-abortion candidate, and a LOT of libertarian conservatives who will not vote for an anti-Constitution authoritarian.

You cannot change the culture by changing politics. You can only change politics by changing the culture. The culture is not conservative anymore. Period. We can lament it until we are dinosaurs, but it is a fact. All of the data out there, including and especially the 2006 election results, say so.

First, I think most culture changes should happen via persuasion, not through government force. That said, I think your assessment is incorrect. Transient polls aside, we know from at least the past 15 years that our culture is very evenly divided. Elections may swing one way or another based on issues of the day (and I agree that many pubbies shot themselves and us in the feet over the past handful of years), but actual cultural change does not occur over the span of two or four years. It happens over generations. If 50% of American voters were culturally conservative enough to vote for W. in 2000; that has not fundamentally changed in six and a half years. People are certainly angry at republicans for their behavior (I know I am), but they're angry because Republicans departed from various conservative ideals, not because they fulfilled those ideals.

60 posted on 04/20/2007 12:00:30 AM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: massadvj

QUOTE” Even if Rudy Giuliani is not welcome in your house, I am sure all conservatives will always be welcome in his. He will have milk and chocolate chip cookies waiting for you.”

I doubt that, more like a big vat of Koolaide is what he has for conservatives.


61 posted on 04/20/2007 4:12:14 AM PDT by RGRX
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To: Mr. Brightside

Love your tagline, Mr. B. :)


62 posted on 04/20/2007 7:04:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Or, put simply, you do not have any core beliefs that you are not willing to compromise for the sake of winning a political race.

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Touché.

63 posted on 04/20/2007 7:40:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: massadvj
Well, I have a PhD myself

I had always heard the academia was located in the party of liberal Dems. You are an anomaly?

64 posted on 04/20/2007 1:11:13 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: showme_the_Glory
You are an anomaly?

Business professors like me are not typically leftists. Most are pragmatic Republicans.

65 posted on 04/20/2007 1:36:00 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj
In fact, in Rudy's house, conservatives will be offered a warm blanket, hot chocolate and oatmeal cookies.

Unfortunately, that's a house where we must surrender our right to own guns in order to enter and must pay a cover charge that will go into an account that pays for abortions. It's a house where illegal aliens are welcome to come when they want without fear of local authorities cooperating with INS. When they fly planes into buildings, we're supposed to forget that the guy grabbing the headlines was part of the attitude that allowed them to be here to hijack our planes.

No thanks to your "invitation." Your invitation is no more inviting than the "invitations" issued by the jihadists.

Bill

66 posted on 04/20/2007 6:15:30 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: massadvj
It is based on the assumption that the Giuliani path is the only path to Republican victory, an assumption that has yet to be disproven by a single poll or any other evidence whatsoever.

History shows that assumption to be unrealistic. The Republicans who win the White House are those who appeal to conservative "Reagan Democrats." These voters are not going to support a candidate who holds Giuliani's extremist liberal views on issues like gun control and abortion. Rudy Giuliani has very little chance of winning the general election. He would be the worst candidate that we could run against Hillary or any other Democrat.

Bill

67 posted on 04/20/2007 6:19:16 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: massadvj
PhD, Huh? Purposeful Hoodwinking Deceiver. Keep the cookies, we already get it.
68 posted on 04/20/2007 6:35:28 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: CheyennePress

I’m in Massachusetts right now, and one of my former roommates worked for and still works for Romney.

Your view of his performance here is mostly fiction.

Sorry, but it is. You’re buying into the hype.


69 posted on 04/21/2007 9:02:07 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: massadvj
"I accept I am in the minority at FR. But that will not stop me from posting my observations....."

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.....however astute.....or not. I don't blame you for laying low this month, all your botmates are gone.

70 posted on 05/10/2007 9:46:01 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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