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Fox News/Opinion Dynamics 2008 National Primary Poll
Race42008 ^ | 4/20/07

Posted on 04/20/2007 6:37:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone

No surprises… It’s Rudy and Hillary by 15% and 21%:

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics 2008 National Primary, conducted April 17th-18th, 2007

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fred; fredthompson; runfredrun; thompson
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1 posted on 04/20/2007 6:37:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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2 posted on 04/20/2007 6:37:26 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone

Hillary has a bigger lead over Obama than he has over Bill Richardson. Yeah this a real race. /s


3 posted on 04/20/2007 6:41:11 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: areafiftyone

I think it will be the freakiest thing if Rudy and Hillary have a face-off for President. It would kind of be like a Mets-Yankees game. New Yorkers would go wild, but would the rest of the country care?


4 posted on 04/20/2007 6:42:16 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: mainepatsfan

Hillary has the money and the power to win the Democrat nomination Anyone who thinks she won’t win is sorely mistaken. Obama is the Howard Dean of the Democrats. He will fizzle out. He is starting to fizzle right now.


5 posted on 04/20/2007 6:42:43 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: HaveHadEnough

LOL! If that happens I’ll be called a Troll and banned from FR! ;-) LOL!


6 posted on 04/20/2007 6:43:29 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: mainepatsfan
Fox News has gone pretty hardcore Pro-Rudy lately - lots of NY GOP in the ranks.

Pretty much every discussion circle involves taking down all of his challengers, and pumping his positives. They are joining the choir of GOP trying to make it sound inevitable that Rudy will win, and working furiously to warm conservatives to Rudy.

Make no mistake about it, Fix News has taken sides in this primary. Don’t be fooled - watch it yourself.

7 posted on 04/20/2007 6:43:51 AM PDT by TitansAFC ("My 80% enemy is not my 20% friend" -- Common Sense)
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To: HaveHadEnough

True. The ratings for that World Series weren’t very good.


8 posted on 04/20/2007 6:44:24 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: areafiftyone

The powers that be in the Dem party know not to cross the Clintons.


9 posted on 04/20/2007 6:46:33 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: TitansAFC

I don’t watch Fox News that much anymore. Actually I prefer to get my news from the internet.


10 posted on 04/20/2007 6:50:09 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: mainepatsfan

Yup! I wouldn’t want to be a Democrat running for president against her.


11 posted on 04/20/2007 6:50:52 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone
The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points.

Another irrelevant poll....only "likely voters" matter, not "registered voters".....and then, only after the summer.

12 posted on 04/20/2007 6:52:13 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years......WOLFHOUNDS!!!!)
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To: areafiftyone

“Obama is the Howard Dean of the Democrats. He will fizzle out.”

Rudy Giuliani=Howard Dean. Rudy will fizzle out.


13 posted on 04/20/2007 6:53:41 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: areafiftyone

Thompson down to 8. I am wondering if this is the public’s verdict on his lymphoma announcement. Rudy up after last week’s decline. Looks like the public absorbed his abortion revelations and is moving on.


14 posted on 04/20/2007 6:57:15 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj
“Thompson down to 8. I am wondering if this is the public’s verdict on his lymphoma announcement. Rudy up after last week’s decline. Looks like the public absorbed his abortion revelations and is moving on.”

I just posted this on the “Rudy Down as Fred Rises” thread. Thought it might interest you.

There’s no evidence of that. The latest polls from FOX News and Gallup both have Rudy at 35% while Thompson gets 8% and 10% respectively. Both of Fred’s numbers are well below high mark of 15% a few weeks ago. He’s stuck at around 10% along with Romney and Gingrich.

I know, I know, Fred hasn’t even declared or started an exploratory committee yet. Well let’s compare it with Rudy’s poll numbers before he announced the start of his exploratory committee on November 14, 2006.

According to Real Clear Politics, this is how he was polling before then:

(11/9-12/06) Cook/RT..........Rudy 27% McCain 25%
(11/12/06) Pew Research.......Rudy 27% McCain 26%
(11/9-12/06) Gallup...........Rudy 28% McCain 26%
(1/8/06)McLaughlin & Assoc....Rudy 26% McCain 26%
(1027-29/06) CNN..............Rudy 29% McCain 27%

Thompson’s 10% no longer looks as good as it may appear to some. This is exactly what many GOP leaders are looking at.

15 posted on 04/20/2007 7:05:44 AM PDT by Gop1040
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To: areafiftyone

“Yup! I wouldn’t want to be a Democrat running for president against her.”

A democrat is running against her—Rudy.

“He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He’s definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn’t.”
— Rudy’s mother Helen


16 posted on 04/20/2007 7:07:47 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: massadvj

900 registered voters nationwide, does not a poll make. Assuming you believe in polls.


17 posted on 04/20/2007 7:08:48 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: areafiftyone

That will certainly keep you well-informed. We all know that everything that is purported to be news is so carefully vetted and fact-checked before it is posted on the web.

Plus, you don’t have to read or hear anything that doesn’t validate your preconceived notions of what the news SHOULD be!

Why, the internet is the perfect medium!


18 posted on 04/20/2007 7:08:58 AM PDT by bpop
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To: bpop

Actually I go to News websites. Blog sites are good for opinions really but sometimes you can get interesting tidbits from them. The 24 hours TV news tends to rehash the same thing over and over and make it so tabloid when they do that.


19 posted on 04/20/2007 7:11:19 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone

Once again, a meaningless nationwide poll. Individual state polls are the only ones that really give good indications.


20 posted on 04/20/2007 7:12:18 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: Post-Neolithic
900 registered voters nationwide, does not a poll make. Assuming you believe in polls.

I am a marketing PhD. We thrive on polling, so I believe that whenever you make a decision, in business or politics, it is better to make the decision with at least one eye open than to go in blind. You take what imperfect information you have and make of it what you will.

This poll is roughly the same as yesterday's Gallup poll, so that adds more credence to it. But no poll has Rudy out of his front-runner status, nor Fred Thompson getting any traction, and that is what really matters. The numbers vary from poll to poll, but the message does not.

21 posted on 04/20/2007 7:14:03 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj

So far, Fred Thompson hasn’t made any attempt at gaining traction. So what? A national poll is meaningless when the elections are individual state-by-state elections. All that is revealed in a nationwide poll is name recognition and positive/negative appeal.


22 posted on 04/20/2007 7:18:55 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: massadvj

I will take your word for it because I believe you know what you are talking about. Thank you!


23 posted on 04/20/2007 7:20:14 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Gop1040
Did you sidestep Rasmussen because they didn’t have the result you were looking for? (Giuliani, 33% McCain, 19%, Thompson, 13% made 3 days ago)
24 posted on 04/20/2007 7:20:50 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: dmw

“Rudy Giuliani=Howard Dean. Rudy will fizzle out.”

Yawn....


25 posted on 04/20/2007 7:21:08 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: massadvj
Thompson down to 8. I am wondering if this is the public’s verdict on his lymphoma announcement.
Not according to Bill Hobbs of Elephant Biz:
The Washington Post downplayed it in its story yesterday about the latest WaPo/ABC News poll regarding the presidential campaign, but the pollsters got some interesting data when they asked a few questions about presidential candidates and cancer.

The pollsters asked this question:

"If a candidate for president has been treated for cancer, but is now in remission, would that make you (more likely) to vote for that candidate for president, or (less likely) to vote for that candidate, or wouldn't it matter?"

The results: 89 percent said it "wouldn't matter," while only 9 percent said it would make them "less likely" to vote for that candidate. One percent said it would make them "more likely" to vote for that candidate, while one percent had no opinion.


26 posted on 04/20/2007 7:31:19 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: TommyDale
So far, Fred Thompson hasn’t made any attempt at gaining traction. So what? A national poll is meaningless when the elections are individual state-by-state elections.

If you look at it state by state, the case for Thompson is even weaker. Fred polls weak in OH and PA. He must take at least one of these two to win in November 08. Rudy loses in OH but takes PA and NJ, and that makes him the only Republican candidate at present capable of beating the Dim nominee.

These numbers will not change appreciably in the next 6 months, but if Fred Thompson ever gets to a point that he can beat the Dims in PA or OH I will rethink my support for Rudy.

I live in PA and I can tell you it ain't gonna happen. He's 14 points back in the general here. A generic Republican would poll higher.

27 posted on 04/20/2007 7:39:59 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: areafiftyone

Just wondering....anyone in the forum contacted for this particular poll?


28 posted on 04/20/2007 7:41:05 AM PDT by Badeye (Sally's not well? No kidding....)
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To: Badeye

Freepers are very rarely contacted for polls. I’ve noticed that. But then again maybe the way things are on this website they are too scared to call! ;-)


29 posted on 04/20/2007 7:48:50 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Post-Neolithic
900 registered voters nationwide, does not a poll make. Assuming you believe in polls.

Is your objection to the number in the sample or to the use of registered rather than likely voters?

30 posted on 04/20/2007 7:51:57 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: massadvj
"If you look at it state by state, the case for Thompson is even weaker."

He hasn't entered the race!


31 posted on 04/20/2007 7:52:02 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: areafiftyone

Its been my experience nobody gets these calls. I don’t think there is a viable way of screening out ‘freepers’ for example.

It appears they call the same 500 people time after time.....(chuckle)


32 posted on 04/20/2007 7:53:28 AM PDT by Badeye (Sally's not well? No kidding....)
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To: Badeye

LOL! I was really teasing! I thought maybe they were afraid of the Rudy haters! ;-)


33 posted on 04/20/2007 7:54:47 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone

(chuckle)

Why anyone would waste ‘hate’ on Rudy is a bit confusing to me, but I get the point.


34 posted on 04/20/2007 7:56:24 AM PDT by Badeye (Sally's not well? No kidding....)
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To: Badeye

LOL! Its a jungle in here! ;-)


35 posted on 04/20/2007 7:58:48 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone

What the Bolshecrats want most is to win. As we have seen campaign promises mean nothing to them and everything will be on the table when they take power. No matter what they say about civil rights, if you are on their right, that includes moderates, your rights will be suspect. When they realize that Obama will bring 97%, instead of 95%, of the black vote and whether he can increase the black vote over what he may lose elsewhere. Listening to Obama, he says nothing.

Why Hillary is still a mystery, unless, they think having a rapist in the White House is a good thing. Bolshecrats want a winner, that is why they chose a fraudulent war hero the last time. The Bolshies are top heavy in senators. In that list Richardson is probably the closest thing to electable. Fortunately, they are not that smart.

Disclaimer: I thought that 2006 would be the year Bolshecrats were destroyed, 60 senators and a bigger majority in the house. Please make my day in 08.


36 posted on 04/20/2007 8:00:46 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Bolshecrat, the despicable party of what if and whine.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
“Did you sidestep Rasmussen because they didn’t have the result you were looking for? (Giuliani, 33% McCain, 19%, Thompson, 13% made 3 days ago)”

3 days ago? The latest Rasmussen poll was done (4/9-12/07) over a week ago. Speaking of Rasmussen, compared to their previous poll done (4/2-5/07), Rudy is (+6), McCain is (+3), and Thompson is (-1). Explain that?

37 posted on 04/20/2007 8:01:53 AM PDT by Gop1040
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To: areafiftyone

&RSQUOT:@#


38 posted on 04/20/2007 8:04:23 AM PDT by Waco
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To: TommyDale
He hasn't entered the race!

When you announce on national television that you are giving serious thought to running for president, you are entering the race. He made that move with the full knowledge that such an announcement would cause his name to be polled along with everyone else, and now he is seeing what it is yielding, for better or worse. And he will make a decision to take the next step or not based on that.

Technically, Rudy and McCain are not in the race, either, since they have not formally announced but only have exploratory committees.

Just to be clear, we are not angry with the Rudy-bashers over here on the Rudy side of the fence. Many of us, including myself, are good, decent conservatives with well-established conservative credentials. Steve Forbes, T. Boone Pickens and many others are over here waiting for the rest to join us. Yesterday we had milk and cookies for you, but alas they were all eaten up by the newcomers who moved us from 27 to 35. Today we have tuna fish sandwiches. Yum.

39 posted on 04/20/2007 8:06:21 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj

LOL! speaking of Food - John McCain was giving away free hotdogs during his Bomb Iran speech. Very nice touch!


40 posted on 04/20/2007 8:13:06 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: TitansAFC
>>>>>Fox News has gone pretty hardcore Pro-Rudy lately - lots of NY GOP in the ranks.

Lotsa moderates and centrists at Fox News. Rockefeller Republicans are a NYCity mainstay.

41 posted on 04/20/2007 8:15:48 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: massadvj

Rudy and McCain have both said they are in the race, whether they have filed the necessary papers or not. They have also released their contribution accounting numbers, so that puts them in the race.

Thompson has not received one dime, nor spent one dime. He is not yet in the race. I sincerely hope he enters sooner rather than later, just to kick Rudy’s ass all the way to the end of Long Island.


42 posted on 04/20/2007 8:16:39 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: areafiftyone
John McCain was giving away free hotdogs during his Bomb Iran speech

I hear nuclear fallout is very effective in roasting hot dogs...

43 posted on 04/20/2007 8:16:47 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj
Yesterday we had milk and cookies for you, but alas they were all eaten up by the newcomers who moved us from 27 to 35. Today we have tuna fish sandwiches. Yum.

What poll was it where Rudy went from 27% to 35%? It wasn't this poll, in this poll Rudy declined. Again.

While you're at it, in which poll did Thompson decline 8%? Again, it wasn't this poll.

44 posted on 04/20/2007 8:23:02 AM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: areafiftyone

Actually that is not true. He is pretty close according to the last meaningless poll (5%) and is almost her equal in fundraising. She, OTOH has a popularity problem.


45 posted on 04/20/2007 8:25:13 AM PDT by merry10
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To: massadvj

And they have a nice glow to them too. ;-)


46 posted on 04/20/2007 8:25:29 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone

I got tired of Fox with Shepherd and Geraldo this week, so I turned them off. They were getting to be too much.


47 posted on 04/20/2007 8:25:54 AM PDT by merry10
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To: merry10

Me too. I prefer just coming here for news.


48 posted on 04/20/2007 8:27:08 AM PDT by areafiftyone (“.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don’t live under fear....” Rudy Giuliani)
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To: freespirited
"Is your objection to the number in the sample or to the use of registered rather than likely voters?"

Both actually, I am the type that only considers a poll valid if it includes most of the people who it affects, I.E. all the voting public in this case.

However, for those that believe in political polls, a much bigger sample, 900 is just assinine for this type of question, and "Likely voters" instead of registered voters.

Quite a few registered voters never vote.

49 posted on 04/20/2007 8:28:58 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: massadvj
I think FT is down because with the events of the past few weeks (Imus,VT, etc) there has not been a lot of talk about him so the buzz has died down a bit. When things calm down a bit, and politics goes back to being the daily top story, I expect his profile to rise again.
50 posted on 04/20/2007 8:29:47 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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