Posted on 04/20/2007 10:19:51 AM PDT by fgoodwin
Well good. Tell that to the gun grabbers as they most assuredly have a mental disorder.
Any ELEMENTARY school teacher can tell you that
the time to pinpoint the disturbed personality
is at the 7th/8th grade level...NOT the College
kiddo. Almost too late when they hit junior
status in high school...they probably already
have a social/police/psychological profile record
a mile long by that time. And, because of the
fear of a law suit, the administrators overlook
tangible evidence, hoping the NEXT person in
charge of the potential perpetrator will take
the necessary action.
The situation is not too different than a
threatened victim being told by the police
that there is nothing they can do until the
threatener actually performs the deed. By
that time, of course, the victim is dead.
Dilemma, what dilemma? A student must meet some basic criteria to be granted admission. Higher education has lowered and lowered those standards until there are no standards. In attempting to reach the few at the bottom, they have endangered everyone above them.
To paraphrse from “Apocalypse Now”: “College. Sh__!”
“Colleges face dilemma deciding fate of mentally ill students.”
Young Democrats? They might grow out of it.
Then you have the problem with pressures from administrators who are being stressed by people in our government to show their new mental illness techniques are actually working when they're not. Then you have problems with pressures on Social workers and the Psych nurses either ignoring severe behaviour or turning a blind eye so as, a) not to get reamed by the patient b) not to p*ss off the administration as a horn blower c) being obsequious to a failing system that merely wants turnover to make their pie charts look efficient.
I've personally seen and heard patients threastening to kill their children, their parents etc and then MAYBE a Tara Sof is written but more than likely not and they follow through on their threats. Thankfully I'm out of the profession as I was charting everything and was not very well liked in the hospital as my charting made everyone, including their policies look like cr*p. Seriously, when the police are throwing them in the hospitals and the mental health officials are pressured to toss them back on the streets the whole system needs and overhaul and it's not going to happen as there's too many big wigs, talking heads and money involved with mental health advocacy groups that are basically endeavoring to have the patient make rational decisions and annexing consequences for severe dangerous behaviour.
JMHO
VT is in a no-win situation here.
Had VT expelled Cho, his parents (or ACLU or some bleeding heart organization) would have sued VT for violating his rights under ADA or whatever ruse they come up with.
As it is, some ambulance-chasing trial lawyer will sign up as many parents of the dead as he can, and sue VT into bankruptcy.
So, as conservatives, what do you think VT could or should have done differently (if anything), given the risks on all sides?
Shouldn’t expulsion be adequate?
Good points and information.
I really don’t know. I’m not into condemning them, nor anyone who really didn’t do the crime.
“”We cannot take away someone’s rights based on assumption,” she said. “
And that attitude is why 32 kids were murdered.
from what little I have read about scizophrenia (if that is the problem) - that often does not surface until early adulthood.
“So, as conservatives, what do you think VT could or should have done differently (if anything), given the risks on all sides?”
The only person so far I’ve seen who did something that made sense is the professor who refused to teach the kid and refused to have him in her class.
At that point another woman agreed to tutor him despite her fear for her own safety.
Wrong move.She should have refused as well.
Was VTech really going to risk losing 2 profs over one violent kid?
Everyone who was expected to pass him along should have refused.
That forces Cho up the chain of command until someone finally has to say the kid needs to go.
Colleges have expelled for much less than this.
If parents had any idea of the number of really sick kids who are in college they would be shocked. A lot of parents just don’t want these kids at home. Many times they’re afraid of them.
oh I can imagine there are a heluva lot of kids like this out there.
I see what the high school level is like and it ain’t purty.
Parents do get worn down.
They work hard and all they get is grief from the kid and calls from the school.
I have a friend in academia who does medical research and recruits college students. He has a hard time finding recruits who are not on some kind of drugs. A huge percentage of them are being treated for depression or for ADD.
my husband were talking about this alot this whole school year.
They are ANGRY.
Today’s kids are very very angry kids.
Narcissistic, arrogant, and downright mean.
And the Americans with Disabilities Act, which protects mentally ill people from discrimination, prevents campus officials from tossing someone out of school simply for being depressed or schizophrenic. If a student is clearly violating the campus' code of conduct, however, suspension is an option, Paine said.
If anybody actually wanted to stop such a massacre from happening again, these would be the laws to re-examine and revise so that a student whose behavior menaced classmates and teachers, as Cho's did, could be permanently removed from a public college before he turned violent.
I hope the doctors who "treated" this boy and released him are having sleepless nights now, comparable to the parents of the victims. But something tells me their humanist vanity might prevent that.
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