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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Jim Robinson

I am a conservative - we simply disagree. As I said, the Jim Robinson I thought I knew over the years would have been able to handle a political disagreement without resorting to the gutter rhetoric you’ve freely allowed here. I will never forgive you for calling me a treasonous liberal as long as I live.


1,201 posted on 04/21/2007 11:35:50 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: calcowgirl

“I’m kind of a “one issue” voter—My issue is the Constitution!”

That’s such a pesky thing. If we could just get rid of it, then there would be no reason not to support rudy!


1,202 posted on 04/21/2007 11:35:50 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Inalienable = That which cannot be transferred to another or others.


1,203 posted on 04/21/2007 11:36:05 PM PDT by jd777
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To: rbmillerjr

You don’t even know your own damn name.


1,204 posted on 04/21/2007 11:36:06 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

LOL


1,205 posted on 04/21/2007 11:36:18 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Quix

Confidence of an imminent nuclear exchange is high.


1,206 posted on 04/21/2007 11:36:21 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: rbmillerjr; Howlin
“The so called “conservative base” is in PERPETUAL alienated mode; something offends one of them each and every day and off they go, moralizing and pontificating.”
Damn those conservatives, “moralising and pontificating”..you sound like a fkn liberal. Listen to yourself.


Be patient with the mutt, it's old and cranky. Can't help itself.
1,207 posted on 04/21/2007 11:36:41 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Peach
First we were treasonous liberals. Now I’m an idiot and a liar.

Wow! You finally posted something accurate. Good job.

1,208 posted on 04/21/2007 11:36:46 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Peach

???


1,210 posted on 04/21/2007 11:37:28 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: Cold Heat

Well said.


1,211 posted on 04/21/2007 11:37:53 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I understand your logic, and agree with it in some ways. But I don't think I can go as far as you.

There are indeed many Freepers, and conservatives in general, who will not deviate from that litmus test and I understand their reasoning. But the pro-abortion candidates who are running for President on the Republican side have much more liberal baggage than just that. Do you see anyone in the field that will at least try to make significant cuts in the size of government?

1,212 posted on 04/21/2007 11:38:14 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: Peach
Well, since they left this morning it would be difficult to ignore them, but it’s sweet of you to be concerned.

Let me guess, they left after realizing that you were nowhere near finished posting your pro-Rudy propaganda?

Hey, it's one way to get rid of house guests, eh? LOL
1,213 posted on 04/21/2007 11:38:31 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Bigh4u2

Place marker.

Time to hit the hay.

Night all..


1,214 posted on 04/21/2007 11:38:57 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Billthedrill

And I think 9/11 changed everything.

Those people who think that Hillary is just like Rudy or Rudy just like Hillary crack me up.

Hillary hates the military and law enforcement. Rudy backs them up even when it’s not politically advantageous.

Hillary hates tax cuts. Rudy cut taxes 23 times and turned NYC’s deficit into a surplus.

Hillary wants to give us national healthcare which will bankrupt us. I could go on and on.

On social issues, Rudy is liberal. On everything else, he’s a conservative.


1,215 posted on 04/21/2007 11:39:00 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Just sayin

You obviously have mistaken me for someone who would put an actual value on something you are babbling about.

Perhaps you can look around and find some like-minded “Let’s teach ‘em a lessoner” and you all can pat yourself on the back, joking and laughing about how you’ve sure showed the GOP and screwed this damn country.

Atta boy!


1,216 posted on 04/21/2007 11:39:12 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Peach
“Uh, hon, you do know that Rudy isn’t Mayor anymore don’t you? And that when he took over they had higher taxes than France and he cut taxes 23 times and turned a deficit around into a surplus.”

Actually, under Rudy it was 7110. It has come down since then. So, he shifted from taxes to fees. He gained a surplus by increasing revenue.

1,217 posted on 04/21/2007 11:40:15 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: mkjessup

Of course that’s how you’d have to dismiss me, punk.


1,218 posted on 04/21/2007 11:40:18 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: woofie

I’ve been waiting for the connection between Rudy and Anna Nicole to be explained all night.

So far no luck. Good night!


1,219 posted on 04/21/2007 11:40:47 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: Neil E. Wright

Yup. You got that exactly right.


1,220 posted on 04/21/2007 11:40:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Howlin

It must be late - I see the bats have come out.


1,221 posted on 04/21/2007 11:40:49 PM PDT by alicewonders (I like Duncan Hunter for President in 2008!)
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To: Howlin

“You don’t even know your own damn name.”

Wow, clever comeback -— not. Now get back to protecting your bitch.


1,222 posted on 04/21/2007 11:41:09 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: M. Thatcher

Sorry, MT,

But, quite apart from JimRob’s anything

FORGIVENESS IS SIMPLY

NOT AN OPTION

FOR ANYONE WHO WANT’S FORGIVEN.

Please reconsider. I suspect you are not perfect enough to never have needed and not to need now, any forgiveness . . . from an Almighty Perfect Father God.


1,223 posted on 04/21/2007 11:41:38 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Spiff

Spiff man, I missed out on this great thread until now. Why didn’t you hit the ping list?


1,224 posted on 04/21/2007 11:41:54 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: rbmillerjr

My bitch? What the hell are you talking about?


1,225 posted on 04/21/2007 11:42:05 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: woofie

woofie wrote: “The Republican Party is sometimes referred to as the big tent party.... That allows a fair diversity of opinion....If “true conservatives” want to go it alone,ok ...they have tried it before ...it doesnt go very far”

woofie, I think the GOP over-reached on the big tent thing and lost sight of the vision thing.

Yes, some diversity of opinion can be a healthy thing, but the Republican moderates in the Senate got in bed with the Dim liberals and their combined votes beat down the conservatives too many times.

That’s how we wound up with the 2005 Highway Bill; pork, pork and more pork; a Senate which voted down drilling in ANWR at every opportunity; and finally a traitorous crook from Nevada as Senate majority leader.

Instead of providing a big tent for everyone, Reagan convinced Democrats amd independents to bring their own unbrellas and join him on the road to that shining city on a hill.


1,226 posted on 04/21/2007 11:42:11 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("The government, basically, cannot manage large projects very well." - Fred Thompson)
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To: Petronski

Ahhhh . . .

in terms of the emotions of this thread

or

in terms of Iran et al?

Sorry, I haven’t read every single post.


1,227 posted on 04/21/2007 11:42:29 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: alicewonders

Are you speaking about yourself?


1,228 posted on 04/21/2007 11:42:39 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin
I’m not quite convinved English is your mother tongue.

Makes perfect sense to the sober individual...guess that leaves you clueless!!!

1,229 posted on 04/21/2007 11:42:45 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Quix

in terms of the emotions of this thread


1,230 posted on 04/21/2007 11:43:01 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...
STOP RUDY 2008 PING!

Freepmail me to be added or removed from this ping list.

1,231 posted on 04/21/2007 11:43:22 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Petronski

Thanks.

Sorry I was so thickheaded and skipping posts.


1,232 posted on 04/21/2007 11:44:03 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Howlin
You very well could be the most clueless poster I’ve ever seen on this forum. And for some reason, you think you’re hilarious; you’re alone alot, aren’t you?

It's just you and me Howlin, could I have a picture of you for my desktop?

It would mean so much to me.
1,233 posted on 04/21/2007 11:44:27 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: politicalwit

I’ll have to take your word on the drinking.


1,234 posted on 04/21/2007 11:44:59 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: NapkinUser

Thanks NU. It’s an interesting thread.


1,235 posted on 04/21/2007 11:45:29 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: Peach
Rudy backs them up even when it’s not politically advantageous.

Unless of course you are talking about the 1,000+ mile border that Al Qaeda types can just walk across.

1,236 posted on 04/21/2007 11:45:35 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Coyoteman
They want God completely out of the picture. Why?Coz, then those inalienable, God given rights, become not so inalienable. The worth of a man becomes the same as the worth of a monkey- a marxist's dream world. Joseph Stalin would want such a scientific socialist world.
1,237 posted on 04/21/2007 11:45:41 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: Spyder

“Only if by national heritage you’re referring to the Salem witch trials.”

That was England, our national heritage really started almost a hundred years later.


1,238 posted on 04/21/2007 11:45:55 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: NapkinUser

I really wish I got here sooner. No telling what fun (polite way to put it) posts the Rudymites, especially one named after a fruit, have posted. Unfair.

1,239 posted on 04/21/2007 11:46:00 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: mkjessup

http://shainla.typepad.com/photos/camp_ho_2006/finger.jpg


1,240 posted on 04/21/2007 11:46:07 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

When the spammers have shown up, it’s definitely time to call it quits.


1,241 posted on 04/21/2007 11:46:57 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin; babygene
I’m not interested in talking to him.
And don’t lecture me.


Go easy on Howlin babygene, I'm beginning to think this could be a case of unrequited love.

But Howlin' my dear? As fast as things are moving here, I'm not sure if I'm ready for a long term relationship.

But I appreciate your sentiments, perhaps in time I could feel what you clearly feel for me.

But give me time, I don't want to rush into this.
1,242 posted on 04/21/2007 11:47:16 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: unsycophant

Marilyn Monroe?


1,243 posted on 04/21/2007 11:48:10 PM PDT by jd777
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To: Howlin

The only lesson I aim to teach is to vote FOR your candidate because they represent YOUR values. I guess that notion is just beyond you. You most certainly seem to think that postition is worth demonizing. Hey, you just got told you have another thing in common with leftist liberals. ( Vote for who we say will win NOT who represents your actual values....accept the differences for victory)

And your own words back up what I said. What is being shown is that when you settle on a candidate for bandwagon reasons....the country loses. You still have yet to figure that out. Sadly, I don’t guess you will do so anytime soon.


1,244 posted on 04/21/2007 11:48:16 PM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: Howlin

No, actually I was talking about you - I’m going to go to bed now, way past my bedtime - but I wanted to remind you to be sure & quit posting before dawn, so you can get back into your crypt before sunrise.

Goodnight!


1,245 posted on 04/21/2007 11:48:21 PM PDT by alicewonders (I like Duncan Hunter for President in 2008!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Well, I’ll post it for you just as I’ve posted it many times before for those that wont read it.( Rooty Tooters)

Giuliani on Flat Tax: Just Kidding
FILE UNDER: Rudy Giuliani
Rudy Giuliani, fresh off winning the endorsement of Steve Forbes, now says he was just kidding when he said he thought the flat tax was a good idea.

“I didn’t favor it, I said something academic,” Giuliani said at a press conference in Florida on Saturday, in response to a reporter asking him why he had switched from opposing a flat tax to favoring it. “What I said was, and it was not a joke, but it was half-jocular, was if we didn’t have an income tax...what would I favor?

“First I would favor no tax,” he said laughing and turning to his wife Judith, who duly smiled back. “That would be my first position. My second position would probably be a flat tax.”

But, he said, the tax “would probably not be feasible.”

Someone should tell Forbes.

—Jason Horowitz

http://thepoliticker.observer.com/2007/04/giuliani-on-flat-tax-just-kidding.html#comments

I hope that puts it to rest for the Rooty Rooters that claim that liberal POS is for the flat tax. He isn’t and never was!

1,246 posted on 04/21/2007 11:48:35 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Peach
I said I would rather have Hilary as a president than Rudy...

But I didn’t say I’d vote for her. I think she would be less dangerous than Rudy, and I think she would likely be tougher on the rag-heads.

As far as I’m concerned, on social issues they are two peas from the same pod. NO THANKS! I’ll vote for a conservative.

1,247 posted on 04/21/2007 11:48:42 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: alicewonders

So your mother IS making you get offline. I knew it.


1,248 posted on 04/21/2007 11:49:07 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
FR is a conservative site. We’re not just social conservative or just fiscal conservative. We are conservative period. I don’t think you can be a half conservative and half liberal. You’re either a conservative or your not. If you are fiscally conservative, but socially liberal you’re a liberal. If you are socially conservative but a fiscal liberal then you are a liberal.


Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. -- Proverbs 25:26

Prayers up for pure water to drink (yes, fewer abortion, etc. Kool-Aid advocates muddying up the streams of thought and conscience here) so we end the 'friendly fire' and can get back to real activism. The energy spent on threads like this could be much better focused on phoning and faxing and visiting legislators--and running for office ourselves.
1,249 posted on 04/21/2007 11:49:12 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: do the dhue
The GOP needs to give us a real choice. Socially, there is no difference between Rudy and Hillary.

OK, I agree with everything you said. But we *MUST* deal with this issue in the primaries. We need a solid conservative candidate who can beat Hillary. Fine.

But what *if* we end up with a Hillary vs. Rudy race? I'm sorry, but that woman is plain evil. Withholding our votes from Rudy would put Hillary in the White house and we do *not* want that. We'd have universal health care within 4 years. My husband was in the military during the Clinton Reign and we do not want to live through that nightmare again. (crappy funding, crappy pay, being used for every peacekeeping mission on the planet, downsizing, etc.) She's not a socialist. She is a straight-up Commie with a capital "C".

Rudy is NOT a great conservative candidate, but he does respect the military and he does "get" the war on terror. IMHO, he really is preferable to Hillary and, *if* the race comes down between the two, I'll vote my butt off in Rudy's direction.

1,250 posted on 04/21/2007 11:49:24 PM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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