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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: alicewonders

thank God I’m not your mother, but it sure sounds like she knows what she’s talking about.


1,281 posted on 04/21/2007 11:58:46 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin
http://shainla.typepad.com/photos/camp_ho_2006/finger.jpg

Hey is that you Howlin? A bit of a tomboy eh?
1,282 posted on 04/21/2007 11:59:15 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: TAdams8591

“Thanks NU. It’s an interesting thread.”

The thread has created a couple of “undocumented freepers” already.


1,283 posted on 04/21/2007 11:59:20 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: babygene
I said I would rather have Hilary as a president than Rudy... But I didn’t say I’d vote for her. I think she would be less dangerous than Rudy, and I think she would likely be tougher on the rag-heads.

What an absolutely stupid post.

1,284 posted on 04/21/2007 11:59:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The Giuliani supporters have a habit of lying and distorting his liberal record to try to convince us to vote for him. It has the effect of our discounting the good things that he has done.

Let’s not make the same mistake. Rudy was a great Mayor, and he is up on the Arab threat. He did a good job on 9/11.. well, people like you and I who govern ourselves with logic don’t see what the big deal is, but apparently the country thought so.

There is no need to diminish the good job that Rudy did as Mayor. The fact is, however, that basically he is a liberal and not fit to run our country.


1,285 posted on 04/21/2007 11:59:29 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Just sayin
"The only lesson I aim to teach is to vote FOR your candidate because they represent YOUR values"

But if that candidate can't win you are not voting for your values. You are voting for a candidate who can't win.

1,286 posted on 04/21/2007 11:59:41 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: Just sayin
You are part of what is WRONG with FR.

Shove it up your butt, punk.

1,287 posted on 04/21/2007 11:59:48 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: M. Thatcher

No, it’s as in: conservatives who support liberal positions like abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, etc, are “betraying the conservative cause.” I do not see anything incorrect in that statement. Do you?


1,288 posted on 04/22/2007 12:00:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Howlin

LOL! I am going now - enjoy your howl.


1,289 posted on 04/22/2007 12:00:32 AM PDT by alicewonders (I like Duncan Hunter for President in 2008!)
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To: Blackirish
that fiscal conservatism or promoting the idea of small government was not on their radar screen. In fact with earmarks and pork bills like the farm bill, the energy bill, the highway bill and the medicaid billAt this point I’m unclear how socons are fiscal conservatives or believe in a smaller less intrusive government. If I’m wrong...tell me. I’d like to believe that.

You are right, but how the hell is voting for a guy that voted for Mario Cuomo the answer?

1,290 posted on 04/22/2007 12:01:08 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach
Yes. I even have mastered the art of hitting the "to post" button more than one time, so I could go back to the original reference and make comments based on the origin of a topic.

Like in this case, your reply to Jim where you said:

Ditto with mentioning that Reagan used to be a Democrat and signed what at the time was the most liberal abortion legislation in the nation.

Now, you were saying that if you couldn't say things like that about Reagan, Jim would simply have to ban you. My question is, why do you feel you need to say that about Reagan? Because you think he was right, and therefore Rudy is also right to support abortion? Or because you think Reagan was wrong, but he later changed, and you think Rudy will change as well?

Or is it just that you think that if you point out Reagan had a flaw, but we supported him, we will have to support Rudy even though he has flaws?

What is the point of bringing up the fact that Reagan signed an abortion bill in the 1960s? Why do you bring it up?

That is my question, and your response was non-responsive to that question, and I'd really like to know the answer.

1,291 posted on 04/22/2007 12:01:19 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson

Not only do I not expect you to do that, I would shoot my computer if you ever did.


1,292 posted on 04/22/2007 12:01:28 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You want it both ways: you justify calling me a treasonous liberal but can’t defend it.


1,293 posted on 04/22/2007 12:01:56 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher

“I will never forgive you for calling me a treasonous liberal as long as I live.”

BOO hoo hoo...


1,294 posted on 04/22/2007 12:02:34 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: quidnunc

You have no one to blame but YOURSELVES for supporting a candidate simply because you’re afraid of Hillary. If Rudy gets the nod, and Hillary beats him, YOU will be to blame. Period.


1,295 posted on 04/22/2007 12:02:44 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Howlin
I knew you were alone alot.
If you weren’t, somebody would have told you by now that you’re not funny.


Actually, I'm beginning to think that you just don't have a very sophisticated sense of humor.

Of course an old crow like you probably doesn't find a whole lot to laugh about.
1,296 posted on 04/22/2007 12:02:54 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: mkjessup

How old are you, 12?


1,297 posted on 04/22/2007 12:03:35 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: rintense

You’re wasting your rant; he was banned.


1,298 posted on 04/22/2007 12:03:41 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: TAdams8591

How do you determine who can and can’t win? I thought we had elections for that? Oh yeah, I guess we should believe anything the media says and vote for who they say can win.......One poll matters and is valid, th one one voting day......in ‘writing’ by registered voters.

Nope not me. Like I said, I am voting Hunter because he has earned my vote with his actions. Maybe your predominant value is winning? Good for you, but for me other values come first win or lose.


1,299 posted on 04/22/2007 12:03:47 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: NapkinUser
Don't forget that rudy opposed making english the official language
1,300 posted on 04/22/2007 12:04:04 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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