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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: mkjessup
Of course an old crow like you probably doesn't find a whole lot to laugh about.

I'm laughing at you.

1,301 posted on 04/22/2007 12:04:19 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yep. Not one single Rudy supporter would vote for him if he had a D behind his name. Not a single one.


1,302 posted on 04/22/2007 12:04:53 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Howlin

See that is all you have Howlin. Attacks. Just like anytime Nancy Pelosi had anythin to say about W in he runup to 06 election.....you sound just like her. Truth hurts huh.


1,303 posted on 04/22/2007 12:04:56 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: Rex Anderson

I thought spring break was over.


1,304 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:04 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: M. Thatcher; Jim Robinson

It ought to be clear by now Jim that he is not going to answer questions put to him.


1,305 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:06 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: presently no screen name

Thanks. I’ve seen too many people driven away from our own church by the holier types, trying to “do them a favor” by pointing out the mote in their brother’s eye while ignoring the log in their own.


1,306 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:21 AM PDT by Spyder (The "Hate Giuliani Syndrome." Like Bush Delusional Syndrome, a cure is yet to be found.)
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To: Howlin

“Are you too stupid to read a tagline?”

That’s a great question coming from someone insulting anti-Giuliani conservatives on what is clearly marked as a Rudy thread.


1,307 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:37 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Howlin

Cripe, get home late and try to jump in and BOOM! Everything changes before I can get to page 2!


1,308 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:42 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: M. Thatcher
Beneath contempt.

I could just picture your nose going up in the air and giving a little sniff. Glad you showed up because we really needed some more self-righteousness.

1,309 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:58 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Petronski
Your post was, at best, very wierd

Yeah I know. But that was only my 'basic' wierd, Howlin really isn't worth the intermediate or advanced 'wierd'. But I refuse to let the old bag get under my skin, and that drives her nutz even though she'll deny it.
1,310 posted on 04/22/2007 12:06:09 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Peach
Still up? You're gonna regret it in the morning...oh, well, never mind, it is morning...

I'm afraid, though, that what you just said didn't really address the difficulties I pointed out. I don't blame Rudy for attempting to triangulate on those three issues - most politicians do - but due to their very nature I think it's hurting him more than helping. He cannot be weak on gun control and convince any conservative that he's strong on national security - the two positions are mutually exclusive. He cannot be weak on illegal immigration either for the very same reason, and he isn't alone in that regard - this is a thing that has hurt Bush deeply with conservatives and accounts in part for his (Bush's) low job-approval polling.

I don't know what to advise. For a big-tent politician these issues are truly best avoided, and with the exception of abortion the MSM have been allowing the Dems to avoid them for the last three elections. Rudy won't be the benificiary of that largesse, at least not if he should win the nomination, and he really does have some considerable baggage to carry with all of them. I wish you the best of luck but I really don't think I can help you.

1,311 posted on 04/22/2007 12:06:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Howlin

“Shove it up your butt, punk.”

Nice. All class, as usual.

And isn’t about now the time you start claiming people are attacking YOU?


1,312 posted on 04/22/2007 12:06:31 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny
Nice. All class, as usual.

Just taking my cue from you.

1,313 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:18 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

I apologize too. We really should patch things up and start anew, what do you say?


1,314 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:24 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
That is my question, and your response was non-responsive to that question, and I'd really like to know the answer.

That's a great question, I have asked it myself and never gotten an answer. I suspect you won't either.

1,315 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:27 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach
As well, NYC’s economy is exceeded only by 6 or 7 states

And in what way does being the mayor of a large economy make him strong on the war on terror? His city was hit by terrorist attacks at least 3 times in the last 15 years, once right before he took office, and twice afterwards. One time he refused to acknowledge it was terrorism, and instead used the attack to take people's guns away.

And before the 9/11 attack, he refused to move his terrorism command center out of the buildings most likely to be targetted by the attack.

And 8 years after the buildings came close to being taken down by bombs, He had not ensured that there was a plan in place to evacuate both buildings if either of them were struck by terrorists, a simple act which might have minimized loss of life in the 2nd building, which was hit much later than the first.

But Rudy wasn't any more in tune with terrorism on 9/11 than the rest of us, he didn't recognize the threat until the 2nd plane, like the rest of us.

The MEDIA made him the face of 9/11, not because of anything special he did, but because, as blackirish noted, he happened to be there because he attacked his city, since it was still a ripe target 8 years after their failed attack.

1,316 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:39 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Just sayin

Excuse me, but have you read the posts to Howlin? Take a look at the last two pages, and you might notice some pretty hard core venom spewed her way.


1,317 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:12 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Blackirish
We got Bush as the nominee in 2000 because he was the "anointed one." He was selected by the PTB (whoever the hell they are) and proclaimed “frontrunner” and de facto nominee by the media and all pundits before anyone else could even get out of the starting gates. He was ramrodded through over the objections from the grassroots. Kind similar to what’s going on now, but it’s even starting earlier.
1,318 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:22 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Rex Anderson

Not by me.


1,319 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:47 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: mkjessup
But I refuse to let the old bag get under my skin, and that drives her nutz even though she'll deny it.

I never laid eyes on you until about 3 days ago.

Get over yourself.

1,320 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:57 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

You’re always the one who starts it, then tries to act like you’re the innocent victim. I remember the miers thread where you first pulled that on me.

Are you just trying to see how much you can get away with before you’re banned? You seem to be pulling out all the stops tonight to get there.


1,321 posted on 04/22/2007 12:09:08 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

As I’ve said many times now, I post that about Reagan to show that we will never, ever agree with all candidates 100% of the time. It just won’t happen.

That you’ve missed that part of my posts doesn’t surprise me in the least little bit.

So just keep asking your little questions. I’m still waiting for you to back up your lie that I said ALL Rudy supporters were being banned.


1,322 posted on 04/22/2007 12:09:28 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Jim Robinson

Who should have rightly been the nominee in 2000?


1,323 posted on 04/22/2007 12:09:39 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Jim Robinson
We got Bush as the nominee in 2000 because he was the "anointed one." He was selected by the PTB (whoever the hell they are) and proclaimed “frontrunner” and de facto nominee by the media and all pundits before anyone else could even get out of the starting gates. He was ramrodded through over the objections from the grassroots. Kind similar to what’s going on now, but it’s even starting earlier.

Same thing with Dole in '96.

1,324 posted on 04/22/2007 12:09:50 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: NapkinUser

If you read my tagline, you’d see who I support.


1,325 posted on 04/22/2007 12:10:26 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

FR should thank Hillary for exposing Rudy.”

Rudi exposed himself LOL a long time ago.
I didn’t need Hillary to show me that He’s a flaming liberal.


1,326 posted on 04/22/2007 12:10:28 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: M. Thatcher

Is there something wrong in my statement above?


1,327 posted on 04/22/2007 12:10:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Rodney King

Yup.


1,328 posted on 04/22/2007 12:10:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
We got Bush as the nominee in 2000 because he was the "anointed one." He was selected by the PTB (whoever the hell they are) and proclaimed “frontrunner” and de facto nominee by the media and all pundits before anyone else could even get out of the starting gates. He was ramrodded through over the objections from the grassroots. Kind similar to what’s going on now, but it’s even starting earlier.

Bush won the primaries. This notion that nominees are forced on anyone is tinfoil. Same tinfoil that's going on now regarding Giuliani. If you don't want Giuliani, field a candidate who can garner more votes.

1,329 posted on 04/22/2007 12:11:16 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Elyse; M. Thatcher
Glad you showed up because we really needed some more self-righteousness.

Isn't that the truth; you're already spent all yours tonight.

1,330 posted on 04/22/2007 12:11:23 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Peach; CharlesWayneCT
As I’ve said many times now, I post that about Reagan to show that we will never, ever agree with all candidates 100% of the time. It just won’t happen.

If that was your point, then it was a bad point because Reagan was strongly pro-life by the time he ran for President.

1,331 posted on 04/22/2007 12:11:23 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rex Anderson
How old are you, 12?

Why, are you looking for 12 year olds or something?

This ain't the website for you 'Rex'.
1,332 posted on 04/22/2007 12:11:25 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: flashbunny

It’s the best they have, because Rudy has no anti-terrorism experience, he has no foreign policy experience, he has no military experience. He was the mayor of a large city with an even larger bloated government, with a governor and a state above him to protect him and give him outside revenue and other infrastructure. He was a small enough fish in the scheme of things that he could be petulant without to much harm, like summarily overriding the government’s foreign policy when it suited his fancy.


1,333 posted on 04/22/2007 12:11:49 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rbmillerjr

That’s a woman posting that porn? Notice I didn’t say lady.


1,334 posted on 04/22/2007 12:11:56 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: Spyder
You’re the one threatening a 7-year FR poster who voted twice for Reagan, in fact never voted for a Democrat, who followed her husband through his Army postings, who continued to be strongly pro-military despite his two tours in Korea, with banishment. At least as I’m typing this, Jim hasn’t threatened me, and if it gets to that point that he bans me, then there probably isn’t much use in my hanging out here, occasionally learning good and bad from people with stronger viewpoints than my own, occasionally posting things I do feel strongly about (such as separation of church and state).

Benedict Arnold won several battles and received many medals and commendations. And then...

1,335 posted on 04/22/2007 12:12:16 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: M. Thatcher
Bush won the primaries. This notion that nominees are forced on anyone is tinfoil. Same tinfoil that's going on now regarding Giuliani. If you don't want Giuliani, field a candidate who can garner more votes.

That is what we are doing. It is the Rudy side that says they have the only candidate who can win, and if we don't get behind him Hillary will be President. Just see post #50.

1,336 posted on 04/22/2007 12:12:45 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Texasforever
Dumbass

So leave already ya carpetbagger. Opus is ready when you are.

1,337 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:02 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Howlin
"If you read my tagline, you’d see who I support." I can see that clearly. It says Fred Thompson. This is a Rudy Giuliani thread. Why are you on this thread going after conservatives who oppose Giuliani? It would make since if this was an anti-Thompson thread, but it ain't.
1,338 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:11 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: M. Thatcher

They’d rather spend their time trashing the frontrunner instead of trying to boost their candidate.

Same as they did in 2000 when they were calling Bush a cokehead and pushing Alan Keyes. There are a lot of freepers who are feeling marginalized that they can’t pick a winner.


1,339 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:15 AM PDT by Peach
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To: mkjessup

Immature and classless.


1,340 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:25 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: M. Thatcher
This notion that nominees are forced on anyone is tinfoil.

If that is true, could you then explain to me why the MSM states that no candidates exist in the race that appeal to the conservative base....when there clearly is an they just don't want to talk about them?
1,341 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:25 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: politicalwit; flashbunny; AntiGuv

The Presidency is just too dangerous a position to give to a sick person.

I hadn’t even thought about Rudy and McCain having cancer. Now I have two reasons each to not vote for them.

I can just hear the clicking of Pelosi’s high heels.


1,342 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:31 AM PDT by donna (America used up all the good weather.)
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To: Rex Anderson

I don’t know. But I’m guessing you’re pulling 100% for the media’s choice again this time.


1,343 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: flashbunny
You’re always the one who starts it, then tries to act like you’re the innocent victim.

Is that a macro, because you post it every single time you post to me; and YOU post to me; I never post to you because you are so utterly useless it's a waste of time.

I remember the miers thread where you first pulled that on me.

You're a one trick pony. And boring as hell.

Are you just trying to see how much you can get away with before you’re banned?

Is that some kind of threat? You seem to think you have some pull here that can get me banned; give it your best shot, punk.

And you ARE a punk. Always have been, always will be.

1,344 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:53 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Rodney King

Another freeper who doesn’t know how to trace back posts. My post mentioned that this was all when Reagan was Governor of California. Keep up with the posts already :-)


1,345 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:59 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin
Of course an old crow like you probably doesn't find a whole lot to laugh about.
I'm laughing at you.


Awww, you're too kind, and I'm just getting started!
1,346 posted on 04/22/2007 12:14:23 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Registered
I like Alan Keyes, and usually agree with him on the issues. I do not agree with his proposal for black reparations AND he makes a terrible candidate.

He WAS a good spokesperson for the conservative cause. But his last campaign significantly damaged his credibility.

1,347 posted on 04/22/2007 12:14:57 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: Centurion2000

Click on the name(Texwhatever)...Opus was in the form of a standard eviction notice.


1,348 posted on 04/22/2007 12:15:17 AM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: NapkinUser

Is there some new rule I missed tonight about people who support one candidate not being allowed on other candidate’s threads?

You people are turning into worse locksteppers than damn liberals.


1,349 posted on 04/22/2007 12:15:48 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bush wasn’t my original candidate in 2000!


1,350 posted on 04/22/2007 12:16:32 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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