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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: M. Thatcher
This notion that nominees are forced on anyone is tinfoil.

If that is true, could you then explain to me why the MSM states that no candidates exist in the race that appeal to the conservative base....when there clearly is an they just don't want to talk about them?
1,341 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:25 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: politicalwit; flashbunny; AntiGuv

The Presidency is just too dangerous a position to give to a sick person.

I hadn’t even thought about Rudy and McCain having cancer. Now I have two reasons each to not vote for them.

I can just hear the clicking of Pelosi’s high heels.


1,342 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:31 AM PDT by donna (America used up all the good weather.)
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To: Rex Anderson

I don’t know. But I’m guessing you’re pulling 100% for the media’s choice again this time.


1,343 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: flashbunny
You’re always the one who starts it, then tries to act like you’re the innocent victim.

Is that a macro, because you post it every single time you post to me; and YOU post to me; I never post to you because you are so utterly useless it's a waste of time.

I remember the miers thread where you first pulled that on me.

You're a one trick pony. And boring as hell.

Are you just trying to see how much you can get away with before you’re banned?

Is that some kind of threat? You seem to think you have some pull here that can get me banned; give it your best shot, punk.

And you ARE a punk. Always have been, always will be.

1,344 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:53 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Rodney King

Another freeper who doesn’t know how to trace back posts. My post mentioned that this was all when Reagan was Governor of California. Keep up with the posts already :-)


1,345 posted on 04/22/2007 12:13:59 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin
Of course an old crow like you probably doesn't find a whole lot to laugh about.
I'm laughing at you.


Awww, you're too kind, and I'm just getting started!
1,346 posted on 04/22/2007 12:14:23 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Registered
I like Alan Keyes, and usually agree with him on the issues. I do not agree with his proposal for black reparations AND he makes a terrible candidate.

He WAS a good spokesperson for the conservative cause. But his last campaign significantly damaged his credibility.

1,347 posted on 04/22/2007 12:14:57 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: Centurion2000

Click on the name(Texwhatever)...Opus was in the form of a standard eviction notice.


1,348 posted on 04/22/2007 12:15:17 AM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: NapkinUser

Is there some new rule I missed tonight about people who support one candidate not being allowed on other candidate’s threads?

You people are turning into worse locksteppers than damn liberals.


1,349 posted on 04/22/2007 12:15:48 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bush wasn’t my original candidate in 2000!


1,350 posted on 04/22/2007 12:16:32 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Rex Anderson
Excuse me, but have you read the posts to Howlin? Take a look at the last two pages, and you might notice some pretty hard core venom spewed her way.

She's just reaping what she's been sowing.

Any luck on your other 'search'?
1,351 posted on 04/22/2007 12:16:43 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Is there something wrong in my statement above?

I would like a statement from you that genuine conservatives, in working through the important issues of our day, can disagree. We can come to different conclusions. Our analyses may differ. We can make our best cases to persuade each other without resorting to "you're a treasonous liberal" BS.

Or, I would like you to politely ask the Giuliani supporters to leave, since our efforts contradict your desires. I would heartily respect either position.

But calling Giuliani supporters names is disgusting.

1,352 posted on 04/22/2007 12:16:46 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Peach

That doesn’t refute the facts as stated. Despite his budget and tax-cutting prowess, when he left office New York had the highest tax burden of any major municipality. Their taxes when he took office were so high that he could cut it by large amounts and still have higher taxes than other cities (like a 300-pound man losing his first 10 pounds is a lot easier than a 150-pound man taking off the last 10).

And while they projected a surplus in the first outyear, that was based on a proposed 2 billion tax cut that had no chance of passing, and in fact the ACTUAL deficit 3 years later was billions, in part because borrowed money which Rudy used to fund the government in leu of taxes came due while the economy he thought would pay it off collapsed due to 9/11, because Rudy had no plan for economic downturn.

It is widely acknowledged that Michael Bloomberg is a better financial manager than Rudy was.


1,353 posted on 04/22/2007 12:16:58 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peach
Another freeper who doesn’t know how to trace back posts. My post mentioned that this was all when Reagan was Governor of California. Keep up with the posts already :-)

You made the point that he was pro-abortion when he was Governor of CA. OK. When he ran for president, he was pro-life.

So is your point that if Reagan was once wrong on something then it is OK that Giuliani is wrong on it now? Or is your point that Giuliani is pro-life now?

1,354 posted on 04/22/2007 12:16:59 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach
are freepers who have said they will vote for Hillary before they vote for Rudy

I have read that so often. They say she isn't the problem, only a symptom. Yet, it's been stated that FR cannot be used to support a liberal candidate which I agree with. So Freepers who claimed conservatism has no problem with Hillary. And Republican Rudy is 'banned'. Weird stuff.
1,355 posted on 04/22/2007 12:17:35 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Texasforever
I see another is wiping his chin.

Thank you for proving, once and for all, precisely what many of us have suspected about you all along. You've exposed your true nature. We were right about you and we're likely right about everyone associated with you here.

1,356 posted on 04/22/2007 12:18:07 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
It is widely acknowledged that Michael Bloomberg is a better financial manager than Rudy was.

ROFL. Excuse me for not typing more, but I'm laughing so hard I can barely see the screen.

1,357 posted on 04/22/2007 12:18:25 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach; Jim Robinson
Since when did freepers who consider national security more important than social issues become liberals? In your eyes, maybe. Thankfully not in the eyes of the conservatives I know.

In what universe is a mayor who endorses the "sanctuary city" nonsense strong on national security?

1,358 posted on 04/22/2007 12:19:01 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee ( Cho Seung-Hui, the official mass killer of NBC News.)
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To: Blackirish

And that was being strong on terrorism how? I bet he got a real good deal?


1,359 posted on 04/22/2007 12:19:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Rodney King

When Reagan changed from a Democrat to a Republican and pro choice to pro life, he was embraced. When other Republicans do it, the “perfect conservatives” on FR call it pandering.


1,360 posted on 04/22/2007 12:19:14 AM PDT by Peach
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