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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Peach
keep our nation secure

Name 1 thing Rudy has done to keep our nation secure. Provide evidence of one piece of legislation he has sponsored, or one act he signed, or something specific with references that his companies have done since 9/11 that secure our nation.

At one point, he was a federal prosecuter, and in that role you could say he was helping to keep our nation secure by going after the bad guys. But what has he done in the last 15 years or so?

1,381 posted on 04/22/2007 12:24:11 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: nunya bidness

That’s sad. It hurts to lose a dog.


1,382 posted on 04/22/2007 12:24:11 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ve never said that or anything like that. It is utterly inhoherent.


1,383 posted on 04/22/2007 12:24:18 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher

incoherent.


1,384 posted on 04/22/2007 12:24:37 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: flashbunny
Yep, you’re all class, howlin.

Everybody here knows you wouldn't recognize class if it bit you on the butt.

1,385 posted on 04/22/2007 12:24:49 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Peach
Why are you asking stupid questions? Rudy has been moderating his position on abortion, saying it’s up to the states which, last I knew, conservatives endorsed states rights.

He's also come out and strongly endorsed federal funding for abortions, which tends to make that whole 'states rights' straw man argument of yours a moot point.
1,386 posted on 04/22/2007 12:25:02 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Peach
We’ll be dodging truck bombs and Wal Mart.

I understand the truck bombs, but why will we be dodging WalMarts? I don't understand, are they good or bad, and what is Rudy's position on Wal Mart?

1,387 posted on 04/22/2007 12:25:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson

The next election will establish what is to become of the U.S.A. The next primary will prove if the Conservatives are the Republican Party or just its right wing. I’m with you on this.


1,388 posted on 04/22/2007 12:25:15 AM PDT by Peacekeeper357 (Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.)
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To: Peach
Why are you asking stupid questions? Rudy has been moderating his position on abortion, saying it’s up to the states which, last I knew, conservatives endorsed states rights.

"moderating" is not the same as "pro-life". For example, Mitt Romney has recanted his pro-choice past and says he is pro-life. When you have a pro-choice record as strong as Giuliani's, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect him to actually say he is pro-life if he wants the pro-life vote.

1,389 posted on 04/22/2007 12:25:20 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Jim Robinson
You call Giuliani a Republican? LOL. Guess the joke’s on you.Sure. Me and all the people who have endorsed him. And of course, Sen. Brownback who said he'd endorse him but he was thinking of running himself (this was before he announced his run). The joke is on us. Right. You just keep telling yourself that and treating freepers who like a Republican you don't like as the enemy.

Of course, I rather remember the same thing happening with Bush and freepers who supported him. You remember, he was a cokehead and all.

1,390 posted on 04/22/2007 12:25:37 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

“When Reagan changed from a Democrat to a Republican and pro choice to pro life, he was embraced. When other Republicans do it, the “perfect conservatives” on FR call it pandering.”

Reagan said he didn’t leave the demcratic party, the party left him.

Meaning he had conservative ideals and the democrats had moved away from what he believed in, so he found a home with the GOP.

Rudy has liberal ideas by and large. He has for years, and he still has them. Trying to act like he is “home” in the GOP, or is some kind of conservative, is a joke.


1,391 posted on 04/22/2007 12:25:41 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Jim Robinson
To: Peach

You are such an idiot.


Priceless.
1,392 posted on 04/22/2007 12:25:51 AM PDT by dukakis kerry the dream team
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To: Spiff
If the Republican Party betrays all of its foundational, core principles and nominates a liberal like Giuliani, then they don't want the conservatives' votes. They'll have made that clear too. Why give them something that they don't want (or deserve) anyway? That is illogical.

Let's get a reality check here, folks.

We are in the 21st Century and no longer in the 19th Century when "the Party" selected the Presidential candidates in smoke-filled rooms.

No "Party" selects a Presidential candidate any more.

The selection is made by primary voters like you and me and all the Sheeple out there ...... mostly the Sheeple.

Sheeple are ignorant by nature or by choice. They were created that way. By sheer numbers, they have more political clout than we do.

We may hate that but that is the way it is.

We, on the other hand, should use our brains.

In this coming election, the combination of the liberal news media and the Democrats and, IMHO, George W. Bush's unwillingness or inability to be a Great Communicator or even a Mediocre Communicator has gotten the Sheeple spooked.

The Republican Presidential candidate the Sheeple pick might not be to our liking this time around.

Them's the breaks.

In 1980, Jimmy Carter got the Sheeple so spooked that they took a chance with Ronald Reagan.

In 2008, the Sheeple may be so spooked that they may take a chance with Hillary Clinton.

If the Sheeple pick a less than desirable Republican candidate to run against Hillary or Obama, the choice of people with brains will be to ensure that the greater of two evils is not elected or ensuring that the greater of two evils is elected by splitting the Republican vote as was done in 1992 when we ended up with 8 years of William Jefferson Clinton plus a Hillary with ambitious hopes for more Clinton years in the White House.

Come November, I will NOT split the Republican vote and I will NOT help Hillary or Obama become the next Commander-in-Chief.

I care more about the safety of America than I care about being pissed off at a "Republican Party" that has absolutely no control over who will be the Republican candidate for President.

1,393 posted on 04/22/2007 12:26:27 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Howlin
Well, that happened in 1964, 43 years ago. Since then, it's been the "real, true" conservatives turning their backs on the Republican Party whenever they don't get their way.

Uh, I give you the NJ Governor's election in 2002, and Ollie North's Senate campaign. The moderates even tried to sink Reagan in 1980 when Anderson ran for President.

1,394 posted on 04/22/2007 12:27:05 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we must set up a third party and run a Ronald Reagan type candidate, so be it.”

What do we have to lose? America is on it’s way to becoming a third world country the way things are going now.


1,395 posted on 04/22/2007 12:27:13 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: NapkinUser

I don’t have to explain to you why I am on any thread, bucko.


1,396 posted on 04/22/2007 12:27:35 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Polybius

Entirely too sensible a position to be adopted by a lot of folks on this thread, but I support your position.


1,397 posted on 04/22/2007 12:28:10 AM PDT by Peach
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To: flashbunny
Like the time you insinuated that I was on drugs and gay because I dared disagree with the mier’s pick.

Why don't you link that very post, flash.

I'd love to see it.

1,398 posted on 04/22/2007 12:28:31 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin
Isn't that the truth; you're already spent all yours tonight.

And Howlin is sent in, wearing her Honk if you love Fred t-shirt, to run interference in the thread.

1,399 posted on 04/22/2007 12:28:32 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Howlin

“Everybody here knows you wouldn’t recognize class if it bit you on the butt.”

Ah, I forgot, you seem to think you speak for the board.


1,400 posted on 04/22/2007 12:28:32 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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