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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Peach

That would be me... But I said it after your post, not before.

I do believe that Rudy is more dangerous than Hilary, because all of the republicans would oppose Hilary’s liberal policies and she would need a veto proof vote. Many republicans would go along with liberal Rudy Fruity.


1,461 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:06 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I state again that California voted for one Democrat for president in nearly fifty years, and had Republican governors excepting Jerry Brown for nearly thirty.

My daughter was born in California. I lived there three times and was a disc jockey in the San Joaquin Valley in the 1970’s. I’ve posted facts and you’ve posted opinions.

Reagan was no liberal. But your boy Giuliani sure is.

1,462 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:19 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Peach
Mind your own freakin business.

Awww ... feeling the sting of truth with that one?

1,463 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:38 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: M. Thatcher
I reject the premise that your five semi-quotes in any way define Giuliani.

Just curious, do you disagree that Rudy holds those positions, or, is it that you think there is much more to the man, so simply stating those five positions doesn't accurately define him?

1,464 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:44 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rex Anderson
To: Ultra Sonic 007 I’d rather elect Hillary than vote for Giuliani. 35 posted on 02/11/2007 8:29:19 AM CST by Mr Ramsbotham

Oooh, another good one.

I see management doesn't mind those people. It's the people who happen to support a Republican they don't like they attack. Sure -- that makes sense. /s

1,465 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:46 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Centurion2000

Not at all. I’m just thinking since this is the new accepted language here on Free Republic that I’d try it out.


1,466 posted on 04/22/2007 12:50:49 AM PDT by Peach
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To: M. Thatcher

Sure you will. Plug your ears and don’t listen to what your man has said and done and is still saying today. It’s a classic example.


1,467 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Moderating abortion? Give me a break.

What are we talking about here? Half an abortion? 30% of an abortion?

1,468 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:14 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: Peach

“Even Newt has called it one of the greatest urban achievements of the 21st century.”

As far as I know and remember, he was the greatest Mayor that New York City (The Capitol of the World) ever had.

Giuliani ain’t no nobody, or he wouldn’t be the focus of this thread, but if the issue is furthering our conservative hopes for our nation, he is opposed to our goals, and his strengths, define the threat.


1,469 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: babygene
I do believe that Rudy is more dangerous than Hilary, because all of the republicans would oppose Hilary’s liberal policies and she would need a veto proof vote. Many republicans would go along with liberal Rudy Fruity.

There is a precedent for that with W. Most of FR supported the medicare plan, no child left behind, etc. etc. Just because we had a Republican president.

Actually, I am very happy about this thread because it suggests we have learned from that mistake.

1,470 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:44 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach

Rudy is moderating his policy on abortion and has talked about state’s right.”

Duh ya Peach, He wants to be President and he wants your vote and he will say anything you want to hear to get it.


1,471 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:58 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Rodney King
Just curious, do you disagree that Rudy holds those positions, or, is it that you think there is much more to the man, so simply stating those five positions doesn't accurately define him?

The latter.

I appreciate your civil question.

1,472 posted on 04/22/2007 12:52:29 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Maynerd

“Wow Reagan Man chill, your starting to sound like Stalin.”

Drop the hyperbole pal. Stalin would take you out and shoot you. This is just debate on a political board. I get tired of all the people who drag Hitlers and Stalins out every time their side is losing an argument.


1,473 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:05 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: philetus

No kidding? Gosh, the things you learn on Free Republic.

I’ve only mentioned 2-3 times upthread that when Reagan was a Democrat and then Republican and pro choice and then pro life, he was embraced. Now when Republicans moderate their views more toward our liking, we call it pandering.


1,474 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:28 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Jim Robinson

See my post 1472.


1,475 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:34 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Peach
This one is just for fun:

My tagline during the 2004 election was, "If President Bush loses this election because of his stand on abortion, he is still the winner". I felt that way then, and I still feel that way now.
9 posted on 02/07/2007 12:47:23 PM CST by Texagirl4W (Jesus came to forgive sin, not to accept sin.) *

1,476 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:54 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Luke21

I get tired of all the people who drag Hitlers and Stalins out every time their side is losing an argument.

Godwin’s law lol.


1,477 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:11 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Rex Anderson

You must have some file, Rex!


1,478 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:30 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin

“I hope you’re out looking for a post that backs this up:

Like the time you insinuated that I was on drugs and gay because I dared disagree with the mier’s pick.

I’m gonna need a link from you to back that up. “

If the thread is still around and didn’t get deleted (last I remember it was in the smoky backroom, irrc) I’ll find it.

Does this ring a bell - you tried to equate me with anderson cooper, because you like to make jokes about anderson cooper being gay. Yes, it was a fun time all around - you resorting to your little attacks.


1,479 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:46 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Peach

Gosh, it is late. I’m hitting the hay. Take care, all.


1,480 posted on 04/22/2007 12:55:27 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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