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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Peach

I have more.


1,451 posted on 04/22/2007 12:45:29 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: babygene
Bye Bye Peach... It hasn’t been that good to know ya.

I fully expect to get up later today and discover that Peach has indeed been nuked.

I think you're psychic babygene.
1,452 posted on 04/22/2007 12:45:36 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If we ran John Edwards, we’d beat Hillary.

Yeah, but I don't think I could take the swooning from the desperate housewives.

1,453 posted on 04/22/2007 12:46:37 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: Jim Robinson

I didn’t save that particular post, but as you can see upthread, there are already two freepers who are just fine with Hillary being president instead of Rudy.

If you think I should start saving posts from crazy freepers, I’m going to start wasting a lot of bandwidth saving them to my bookmarks. I certainly don’t mind if you don’t.


1,454 posted on 04/22/2007 12:46:53 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
"How is it you are able to maintain a policy of no personal attacks when you talk like that?"

And how is it that YOU can repeat your lies, over and over and over, and still look at yourself in the mirror?

People have refuted your socialist loving bull, and yet you still repeat them.

The very least, the VERY least, you can do is acknowledge the truth when it hits you in the face, and drop the lies.

:O)

P
Run, FRED, run!

1,455 posted on 04/22/2007 12:46:55 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Peach

To: Ultra Sonic 007
I’d rather elect Hillary than vote for Giuliani.
35 posted on 02/11/2007 8:29:19 AM CST by Mr Ramsbotham


1,456 posted on 04/22/2007 12:47:19 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Rex Anderson

I was going to start saving some of those posts, but decided there were too many freepers on the Rudy threads, especially early on, that I didn’t bother. After the jeering they took for their positions, they moderated somewhat.


1,457 posted on 04/22/2007 12:47:54 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Jim Robinson

What are you, the Jack Chick of the new media? I reject the premise that your five semi-quotes in any way define Giuliani.


1,458 posted on 04/22/2007 12:48:11 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Peach

Moderating abortion? Give me a break. The man is and always will be an abortionist! You are one sick puppy if you go along with that “moderating” crap.


1,459 posted on 04/22/2007 12:48:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: papasmurf

Mind your own freakin business.


1,460 posted on 04/22/2007 12:48:26 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

That would be me... But I said it after your post, not before.

I do believe that Rudy is more dangerous than Hilary, because all of the republicans would oppose Hilary’s liberal policies and she would need a veto proof vote. Many republicans would go along with liberal Rudy Fruity.


1,461 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:06 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I state again that California voted for one Democrat for president in nearly fifty years, and had Republican governors excepting Jerry Brown for nearly thirty.

My daughter was born in California. I lived there three times and was a disc jockey in the San Joaquin Valley in the 1970’s. I’ve posted facts and you’ve posted opinions.

Reagan was no liberal. But your boy Giuliani sure is.

1,462 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:19 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Peach
Mind your own freakin business.

Awww ... feeling the sting of truth with that one?

1,463 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:38 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: M. Thatcher
I reject the premise that your five semi-quotes in any way define Giuliani.

Just curious, do you disagree that Rudy holds those positions, or, is it that you think there is much more to the man, so simply stating those five positions doesn't accurately define him?

1,464 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:44 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rex Anderson
To: Ultra Sonic 007 I’d rather elect Hillary than vote for Giuliani. 35 posted on 02/11/2007 8:29:19 AM CST by Mr Ramsbotham

Oooh, another good one.

I see management doesn't mind those people. It's the people who happen to support a Republican they don't like they attack. Sure -- that makes sense. /s

1,465 posted on 04/22/2007 12:49:46 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Centurion2000

Not at all. I’m just thinking since this is the new accepted language here on Free Republic that I’d try it out.


1,466 posted on 04/22/2007 12:50:49 AM PDT by Peach
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To: M. Thatcher

Sure you will. Plug your ears and don’t listen to what your man has said and done and is still saying today. It’s a classic example.


1,467 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Moderating abortion? Give me a break.

What are we talking about here? Half an abortion? 30% of an abortion?

1,468 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:14 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: Peach

“Even Newt has called it one of the greatest urban achievements of the 21st century.”

As far as I know and remember, he was the greatest Mayor that New York City (The Capitol of the World) ever had.

Giuliani ain’t no nobody, or he wouldn’t be the focus of this thread, but if the issue is furthering our conservative hopes for our nation, he is opposed to our goals, and his strengths, define the threat.


1,469 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: babygene
I do believe that Rudy is more dangerous than Hilary, because all of the republicans would oppose Hilary’s liberal policies and she would need a veto proof vote. Many republicans would go along with liberal Rudy Fruity.

There is a precedent for that with W. Most of FR supported the medicare plan, no child left behind, etc. etc. Just because we had a Republican president.

Actually, I am very happy about this thread because it suggests we have learned from that mistake.

1,470 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:44 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach

Rudy is moderating his policy on abortion and has talked about state’s right.”

Duh ya Peach, He wants to be President and he wants your vote and he will say anything you want to hear to get it.


1,471 posted on 04/22/2007 12:51:58 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Rodney King
Just curious, do you disagree that Rudy holds those positions, or, is it that you think there is much more to the man, so simply stating those five positions doesn't accurately define him?

The latter.

I appreciate your civil question.

1,472 posted on 04/22/2007 12:52:29 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Maynerd

“Wow Reagan Man chill, your starting to sound like Stalin.”

Drop the hyperbole pal. Stalin would take you out and shoot you. This is just debate on a political board. I get tired of all the people who drag Hitlers and Stalins out every time their side is losing an argument.


1,473 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:05 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: philetus

No kidding? Gosh, the things you learn on Free Republic.

I’ve only mentioned 2-3 times upthread that when Reagan was a Democrat and then Republican and pro choice and then pro life, he was embraced. Now when Republicans moderate their views more toward our liking, we call it pandering.


1,474 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:28 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Jim Robinson

See my post 1472.


1,475 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:34 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Peach
This one is just for fun:

My tagline during the 2004 election was, "If President Bush loses this election because of his stand on abortion, he is still the winner". I felt that way then, and I still feel that way now.
9 posted on 02/07/2007 12:47:23 PM CST by Texagirl4W (Jesus came to forgive sin, not to accept sin.) *

1,476 posted on 04/22/2007 12:53:54 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Luke21

I get tired of all the people who drag Hitlers and Stalins out every time their side is losing an argument.

Godwin’s law lol.


1,477 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:11 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Rex Anderson

You must have some file, Rex!


1,478 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:30 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin

“I hope you’re out looking for a post that backs this up:

Like the time you insinuated that I was on drugs and gay because I dared disagree with the mier’s pick.

I’m gonna need a link from you to back that up. “

If the thread is still around and didn’t get deleted (last I remember it was in the smoky backroom, irrc) I’ll find it.

Does this ring a bell - you tried to equate me with anderson cooper, because you like to make jokes about anderson cooper being gay. Yes, it was a fun time all around - you resorting to your little attacks.


1,479 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:46 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Peach

Gosh, it is late. I’m hitting the hay. Take care, all.


1,480 posted on 04/22/2007 12:55:27 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Peach
At least I have a mind!

And this IS my business!

LIAR!!!

FRICKIN LIAR!!!

You been playin people all night, with the same lies!

JimRob is right, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt. You are a lying socialist, loving liberal!

He's been much too kind to you. If it were me, I would sign you up fro an account at DU, and kick your lying butt outta' here! :O)

P

HERE, this is for YOU...LIAR!



Run, FRED, run!

1,481 posted on 04/22/2007 12:55:50 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: Rex Anderson

Same here. Thanks for finding those posts; I appreciate it.


1,482 posted on 04/22/2007 12:55:55 AM PDT by Peach
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To: papasmurf

Why don’t you post my lie then, papasmurf. It should be so easy to do.


1,483 posted on 04/22/2007 12:56:24 AM PDT by Peach
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To: M. Thatcher
The latter.

I could actually vote for the guy if he is the nominee. He was a great mayor (at least his first term. He had the normal 2nd term problem that almost all Republicans do). If I thought he actually bought into Forbes's worldview of a flat tax, privatising social security, at least holding government spending to the level of inflation, and he really, really meant it and would fight for and champion it, I might even vote for him in the primary.

I have told myself that I could never in my life vote for an abortionist or gun grabber, but the GOP has so completely screwed up this country and destroyed conservatism in the last 6 years with Medicare, all the other spending, etc, that I could go for a guy who promises neutrality on the abortion and gun issues if he would be a real supply sider.

Unfortunetly, as soon as Giuliani said some nice things about the flat tax, he backed off of them.

1,484 posted on 04/22/2007 12:57:05 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: M. Thatcher

LOL. Abortion, gay rights, gun control, taxpayer FUNDED abortions for poor women, sanctuary for illegal aliens, etc, don’t define the man? What does define him then? His sterling character and success as a husband and father?


1,485 posted on 04/22/2007 12:57:51 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Peach

What position did Rudy change? He keeps insisting his positions have not changed, and Rudy supporters say he is firm as a rock and doesn’t give in to anybody or change in any way.


1,486 posted on 04/22/2007 12:58:22 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Rex Anderson
To: Ultra Sonic 007 I’d rather elect Hillary than vote for Giuliani. 35 posted on 02/11/2007 8:29:19 AM CST by Mr Ramsbotham

Oh oh! Look up the person that said they would rather vote for the monkey, too. You guys need all the ammunition you can get because you know if someone threatened to vote for a monkey they are really going to do it,too!

1,487 posted on 04/22/2007 12:59:00 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: RabidBartender
Does the Republican party own your vote, no matter what it does or who it nominates?

Adults look at the whole picture. Children are more narrow minded and their eyes are on that 'perfect' piece of candy or they pout and sit it out.
1,488 posted on 04/22/2007 12:59:46 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Peach

Why, can’t you read, or is all you do post your lies. Reagan never was pro abortion, for one.


1,489 posted on 04/22/2007 12:59:59 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: flashbunny
Does this ring a bell - you tried to equate me with anderson cooper, because you like to make jokes about anderson cooper being gay. Yes, it was a fun time all around - you resorting to your little attacks.

Now that you've whined that way, it sure does! It all makes sense now; I knew I didn't call you gay; but you have to admit, the way you carry on is just like Anderson!

And thanks for reminding me that you do, in fact, sound like a whiney Anderson Cooper!

Or maybe Shep Smith? Would you like that better?

And I can see why you'd be so upset when I'm around............LOL. Well, go ahead; your little fits and distortions don't bother me at all!

1,490 posted on 04/22/2007 1:00:55 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Rodney King

I too will be interested to see how he fleshes his position on the flat tax out during the debates. His statements so far have been sketchy and seemed on the fly - or at least press coverage of them read that way - it is incumbent on him and his team to nail that down. I am hoping the flat tax is part of his platform.


1,491 posted on 04/22/2007 1:01:29 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: streetpreacher

Did you forget one of the “n”s? I did that at first and got the answer you are getting.


1,492 posted on 04/22/2007 1:01:47 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: babygene
New York leads the nation in taxes and fees.

Like everywhere else, you pay for what you get. When a place is in demand, you pay for it.
1,493 posted on 04/22/2007 1:02:59 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Jim Robinson
"The Supreme Court reached the correct conclusion in upholding the congressional ban on partial birth abortion," Giuliani stated. "I agree with it."

For the record, here's what Giuliani had to say on a partial-birth abortion ban in 1999:

"No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."


1,494 posted on 04/22/2007 1:03:27 AM PDT by Verax
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To: presently no screen name

Adults look at the whole picture? Sheesh. Looks more like some adults (namely Rudy supporters) use colored glasses and refuse to look at the whole picture.


1,495 posted on 04/22/2007 1:04:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Howlin

Wow, and you’ve been around since 1999. I think you flatter me with your award. And just yesterday I was all atwitter just because someone said my vanity threat about “I’d hit it” was the best they had seen this year. Now I’ve got the “dumbest post ever” award.

Thanks. Is there some sort of certificate with that I could post on my desktop?


1,496 posted on 04/22/2007 1:04:46 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Elyse
Oh oh! Look up the person that said they would rather vote for the monkey, too. You guys need all the ammunition you can get because you know if someone threatened to vote for a monkey they are really going to do it,too!

And you said we were all out of self-rightousness. You were hiding some!

1,497 posted on 04/22/2007 1:05:06 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
LOL. Abortion, gay rights, gun control, taxpayer FUNDED abortions for poor women, sanctuary for illegal aliens, etc, don’t define the man? What does define him then? His sterling character and success as a husband and father?

Here's something to consider: I have never heard Rudy Giuliani speak to anyone the way you do on this forum. So perhaps it's best that he not follow your example of Christian decency, high moral standards, and conservative behavior.

1,498 posted on 04/22/2007 1:05:19 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Dstorm

I’m a newbie, so I’m just speculating, but I think the old-timers, some of them, were more scared of clinton than anything, and we see that even now when they will sell their soul just to beat her.


1,499 posted on 04/22/2007 1:05:50 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson; right-wingin_It; Peach

To: Spiff; Peach
In my view a Rudy nomination will RUIN the party. We would loose 80% of our positions for 1 guy (for maybe 1 presidential term). It’s not worh it.

I’m fighting against his campaign. And should he somehow get the Republican nomination, not only will I stop donating to the party, I’ll freagin’ cut a check to Hillary and post proof here on FR.

That’s how bad I think this nomination is going to be for the Repoublican party. Call me crazy...call me a troll..I don’t care
20 posted on 02/15/2007 7:16:02 PM EST by right-wingin_It
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785540/posts?page=20#20


1,500 posted on 04/22/2007 1:05:56 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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