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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: philetus
Duh ya Peach, He wants to be President and he wants your vote and he will say anything you want to hear to get it.

You are just being a mean old poopoo head when you say things like that because Rudy wouldn't EVER do that! He's America's mayor, the hero of 9/11 Rudy Rudy Rudy!

1,501 posted on 04/22/2007 1:06:01 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: papasmurf

Reagan signed what at the time was the most liberal expansion of abortion in this country. We got two pro abort Supreme Court judges too.

Next?


1,502 posted on 04/22/2007 1:06:45 AM PDT by Peach
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To: calcowgirl

But it’s what they do, attack other conservatives for having policies that are like Rudy’s.

It’s like they don’t WANT anybody to support their candidate. If you even TRY to support one of his policies, they are as likely as not to attack you for it the next time you post anything they don’t like.


1,503 posted on 04/22/2007 1:07:02 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: NathanR

I love that picture. Rush to the right of Arnold, Rudy to the left.

How appropriate.


1,504 posted on 04/22/2007 1:08:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peach

“On social issues, Rudy is liberal. On everything else, he’s a conservative.”

That simply isn’t true. Even when we Conservatives were defending him when the media decided they had to remove him (before 9/11), we knew he was anti-conservative.

Peach you have some conservative ideas, but you are no conservative.


1,505 posted on 04/22/2007 1:08:11 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: philetus

I’m hoping I didn’t need a sarcasm tag for that last post, but on this thread maybe I better add one, so no one does get me confused with a real Rudy supporter.


1,506 posted on 04/22/2007 1:08:25 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I’m a newbie, so I’m just speculating, but I think the old-timers, some of them, were more scared of clinton than anything, and we see that even now when they will sell their soul just to beat her.

You really shouldn't post stuff like that; it shows your ignornace of what went on during the Clinton administration.

1,507 posted on 04/22/2007 1:08:38 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: conservative in nyc

Well you know what? I’ll save that one. Thanks so much for finding that! I don’t know how you do it, but I’m glad you did.


1,508 posted on 04/22/2007 1:08:56 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
I'm waitin' Ms Peach.

Tell us some more how Reagan was Pro Abortion.

Tell us again how he signed "the most liberalized abortion bill in the history of the Country at that time"

Equate that to your support of that abortion encouraging so called Republican.

:O)

P

Run, FRED, run!

1,509 posted on 04/22/2007 1:09:15 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: Peach

“What did quidnick (sp?) do to get banned?”

Go back and look, post 50 I believe.

Fool forgot who he was talking to.

And got the God-Zot.

(And yes, your spelling was incorrect.)

—>
“So you prefer Hillary, then?” -quidnunc (Since 1998-09-15)

...”Up yours asswipe.” -Jim Robinson

...”This account has been banned or suspended.”
<—


1,510 posted on 04/22/2007 1:09:19 AM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: papasmurf

I’d respond if your post made sense. But since it doesn’t, I’ll just let it stand.


1,511 posted on 04/22/2007 1:10:37 AM PDT by Peach
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"To summarise, he's strong on terror because he employed more cops than the next 4 cities combined just to get a 20% better crime rate, he kicked Arafat out of a theater in a pique of authoritarian rage, he watched the towers fall, and he made a good speech."

I agree with your well reasoned post. Many people would have handled the aftermath of 9/11 as well or better than Rudy. It is ludicrous that the above actions translate into Rudy will fight the WOT better than any other Republican.

1,512 posted on 04/22/2007 1:10:49 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: staytrue

When Romney went up a couple of points in the polls, they threw a bunch of stuff about a speech he gave in Florida that was misleading.

When Thompson came on board and started getting poll traction they started with the “he’s mormon” and “he’s a lobbyist” and “he gave money to clinton” and “he’s a DC politician”, a “career politician”, and “a globalist”.

SOmetimes they go after people with no movement, like Hunter.


1,513 posted on 04/22/2007 1:10:58 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: M. Thatcher
"I have never heard Rudy Giuliani speak to anyone the way you do on this forum."

Youtube: Rudy Giuliani Makes Fun of a Parkinson's Patient
1,514 posted on 04/22/2007 1:11:08 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: stuned_beeber

So a 9 year freeper in good standing asks Jim if he prefers Hillary to Rudy and he gets banned and you think that’s justified? Wow.


1,515 posted on 04/22/2007 1:11:30 AM PDT by Peach
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To: stuned_beeber

You forgot the part where you, who has been here less than a week, cheered because he was banned.


1,516 posted on 04/22/2007 1:11:43 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: flashbunny

Check your Freepmail.


1,518 posted on 04/22/2007 1:12:42 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: stuned_beeber

And such lovely language too.


1,519 posted on 04/22/2007 1:13:25 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Verax; Peach; M. Thatcher
He supported abortion including partial birth abortion as a constitutional right during his coming out party on Hannity and Colmes just a couple months ago. It’s in the transcript. And he repeated it just a week ago and added the tidbit that since abortion is a constitutional right, poor women should be entitled to taxpayer funded abortions. He also says that many people won’t agree with him and probably should not vote for him. (He shouldn’t worry about that.) Peach’s claims of recent moderation notwithstanding, he appears to be an unabashed, unashamed, unafraid abortionist and proud of it. (of course, our conservative friend M. Thatcher never saw or heard any of that).
1,520 posted on 04/22/2007 1:13:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Elyse

I’m hoping I didn’t need a sarcasm tag for that last post”

I thought you did a great job.There’s so much sarcasm dripping off it, I had to get a towel and wipe off my screen.


1,521 posted on 04/22/2007 1:13:53 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Blackirish

Who said he was wrong? I don’t support the flat tax. But you said Rudy supported the flat tax, and he doesn’t. I wouldn’t have actually bothered, but someone else told you it was wrong, and you doubted them and asked for proof, so I gave it to you.

That’s the only reason I posted it, to support the charge of the other poster. I don’t post stuff like that that I agree with just to attack a candidate I don’t like, it’s unseemly to me to attack someone for agreeing with me.

If I were to support something, it would probably be the fair tax, but I’d have to see the implementation. I also would like to study a VAT, although most conservatives fear it because it’s so easy to hide.


1,522 posted on 04/22/2007 1:13:54 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Verax

“No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing.”

I don’t know if you are just wrong or just lying. What he said was that he would not change his position on supporting partial birth abortion. (he would continue to support it)

Go back and look it up!


1,523 posted on 04/22/2007 1:14:30 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: conservative in nyc

Well, that’s one. Any more?


1,524 posted on 04/22/2007 1:14:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Abortionist? Oh, right. I forgot. You think anyone who is pro choice is an abortionist.


1,525 posted on 04/22/2007 1:14:36 AM PDT by Peach
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To: flashbunny
The thread has created a couple of “undocumented freepers” already.

Very nice. Congrats if that's your contribution.
1,526 posted on 04/22/2007 1:15:06 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Run Newt run.


1,527 posted on 04/22/2007 1:15:50 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Jim Robinson

Rex posted 2-3 other posts by freepers who said they’ll be voting for Hillary instead of Rudy. He posted them since you asked me for proof.


1,528 posted on 04/22/2007 1:15:54 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
So a 9 year freeper in good standing asks Jim if he prefers Hillary to Rudy and he gets banned and you think that’s justified? Wow.

I am not supporting or defending the banning, but it was a little more than that. One, it was an implied statement that Jim preferred Hillary. Two, it showed the kind of silly logic that annoys so many people here i.e. the idea that if you don't support Rudy you support Hillary.

1,529 posted on 04/22/2007 1:16:02 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach

They may not have been consecutive. My days are running into each other.

But yes, I have found your posts to be uncharacteristically harsh and personally mean-spirited the past few days. I noticed because it was not something I expected.

It’s just an observation. I won’t say it again, you can look again tomorrow and decide if you care at all whether I perceived your posts that way or not.


1,530 posted on 04/22/2007 1:16:56 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Rodney King

A member of this forum, in good standing for 9 years, got banned for this post:

Because that’s the choice you know; a not-so-socially-conserevative Republican or another eight years of the Clintons.

50 posted on 04/21/2007 9:56:25 PM EDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)


1,531 posted on 04/22/2007 1:17:57 AM PDT by Peach
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To: M. Thatcher

Their judgment sucks, but we have little choice.

However, I trust that they are teachable, which is why we need someone who, when he talks, actually tells them things that are right, rather than things that are wrong, to lead them to the truth, and not to evil.


1,532 posted on 04/22/2007 1:18:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Rodney King
I can't even ever figure out what the posts are about

Hillary Clinton.

Every bloody one of them is about Hillary Clinton.

1,533 posted on 04/22/2007 1:18:24 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (NRA Life Member)
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To: conservative in nyc

(you don’t suppose there might be a tad bit of hyperbole in there do you?)


1,534 posted on 04/22/2007 1:18:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: NapkinUser

No offense, but how did you think up your handle?


1,535 posted on 04/22/2007 1:19:10 AM PDT by Spyder (The "Hate Giuliani Syndrome." Like Bush Delusional Syndrome, a cure is yet to be found.)
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To: Peach
Nice selective quoting there.

But look, I'm not saying he should have been banned for that. It's just that it is very annoying when told that if you don't support a liberal Republican you must be for Hillary. And, well, when you say it to the owner of the forum, you shouldnt be shocked if he gets pissed.

1,536 posted on 04/22/2007 1:19:22 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Beagle8U

“No. You run and fetch!”

Sit tight hold your breath and I’ll get righr back to you!


1,537 posted on 04/22/2007 1:19:23 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Peach; Jim Robinson
Well you know what? I’ll save that one. Thanks so much for finding that! I don’t know how you do it, but I’m glad you did.

A Google search told me that you said someone had posted that comment to you "the day before" on 2/16. I just looked through the Giuliani-related threads you posted on 2/15 until I found it.

Bookmark.

Well, watching this thread has been like watching a train wreck. It reminds me of why I have been avoiding all of the candidate-related threads as best I can. They tend to descend into needless name calling on all sides and aren't very pretty.

The election is over eighteen months away. It's way to premature for me to even know who will GET on the primary ballot in New York, let alone who I will vote for. Our ballot access laws are so convoluted that absent a federal lawsuit, only a handful of those who have announced their candidacy will be on it.

One thing I do try to remember is President Reagan's Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. Chances are that whoever the Republican nominee ends up being will be more conservative than the Democrat, even if he is not ideal.
1,538 posted on 04/22/2007 1:19:49 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Peach
"Reagan signed what at the time was the most liberal expansion of abortion"

How convenient that you can read, copy and paste.

You never bothered to verify that, did you?

As I posted earlier, he signed a bill to allow abortion... the legislature, actually, passed the bill to legalize "therapeutic" abortions. Many Republicans in legislature strongly urged him to sign the bill. And so did aides on his staff, including conservatives Ed Meese and Lyn Nofziger, who later followed Reagan to Washington. Reagan was assured it would result in only a handful of abortions. And then only for therapeutic reasons. Reagan's worst fear was realized.

THERAPUTIC.

The bill did not define the term "health". It was signed in good faith, to protect the health of women.

But, no, you want to throw it around like he was in favor of abortion.

And you dare to compare Reagan with that homo suck up?

It's another of your deceits.

You ain't right, girl, you stink.

:O)

P
Run, FRED, run!

1,539 posted on 04/22/2007 1:19:58 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: Howlin; M. Thatcher

I thought the voters that M. Thatcher trusts so much put the democrats in control.


1,540 posted on 04/22/2007 1:20:19 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: M. Thatcher; areafiftyone; Jim Robinson
I would like a statement from you that genuine conservatives, in working through the important issues of our day, can disagree. We can come to different conclusions. Our analyses may differ. We can make our best cases to persuade each other without resorting to "you're a treasonous liberal" BS.

Or, I would like you to politely ask the Giuliani supporters to leave, since our efforts contradict your desires. I would heartily respect either position.

Maggie, genuine conservatives do not support Rudy.
Liberals? Yes.
Libertarians? Perhaps.
Conservatives? HELL NO!

I go to FR for conservative news and opinion, not for leftist spin about why I should support a candidate who would be the most liberal Republican nominee since the pro-abortion Gerald Ford. Anything Jim does to purge FR of pro-Rudy spam has my full support.

..........

But calling Giuliani supporters names is disgusting.

Now Maggie, ain’t that a tad hypocritical? I had opined that some of the Rudymites here on FR are paid employees or consultants of Rudy's campaign. Had not accused anyone specifically, but did politely inquire of A51--who refused to answer. You called me a liar, Maggie, and now you’ve got the nerve to complain about name calling?

1,541 posted on 04/22/2007 1:21:10 AM PDT by stillonaroll (Rudy: pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun)
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To: Spyder

““Only if by national heritage you’re referring to the Salem witch trials.”

That was England, our national heritage really started almost a hundred years later.”

Thats right.


1,542 posted on 04/22/2007 1:21:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: CharlesWayneCT
But yes, I have found your posts to be uncharacteristically harsh and personally mean-spirited the past few days.

Maybe two weeks ago or so, but I was barely on FR this last week.

1,543 posted on 04/22/2007 1:21:47 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Easy to dismiss the truth, isn't it?

You claimed Reagan was pro abortion. Provide a link, or retract it.

:O)

P
1,544 posted on 04/22/2007 1:22:20 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: flashbunny
But Flashbunny, to be fair Rudy didn't know the caller had Parkinson's. However, even if the caller had been completely healthy, Rudy could have handled the call far better and didn't have to respond in kind.

Notice how the media unfairly exploited that incident, btw.

1,545 posted on 04/22/2007 1:22:45 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: Jim Robinson

You asked for proof of such a post and it was provided. It’s so interesting that you have nothing to say to those freepers who are even contemplating voting for Hillary instead of Rudy.


1,546 posted on 04/22/2007 1:23:03 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
You think anyone who is pro choice is an abortionist.

Only liberal abortionists use a term like "pro-choice".

1,547 posted on 04/22/2007 1:23:14 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Peach

You think anyone who is pro choice is an abortionist.”

I think anyone who is pro choice is an accessory to murder.


1,548 posted on 04/22/2007 1:23:14 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Rodney King

I posted his entire quote/post that got him banned. It’s post #50.


1,549 posted on 04/22/2007 1:23:40 AM PDT by Peach
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To: conservative in nyc

Well, you’re a doll to look. I don’t really know how to look up specific quotes/posts on FR through Google.


1,550 posted on 04/22/2007 1:24:36 AM PDT by Peach
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