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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Peach

Actually, you didn’t post his entire post. His post was two lines, you posted one of them. It really doesn’t matter all that much, except for the fact that you are asserting your quoted his whole post when you didn’t.


1,551 posted on 04/22/2007 1:24:47 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, that’s one. Any more?

I haven't been watching the [insert name of potential Republican presidential candidate here] bash-a-palooza threads closely enough to know. I searched for that one because you asked for it. I'd have no easy way of searching for others.
1,552 posted on 04/22/2007 1:25:10 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Blackirish

“Sit tight hold your breath and I’ll get righr back to you!”

No you wont, because you are about the most pigheaded of all the Rooty Toots.


1,553 posted on 04/22/2007 1:26:13 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: jedward
Welcome to FR!

(be afraid... be very afraid...) ;-)

1,554 posted on 04/22/2007 1:26:22 AM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: papasmurf

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/FloydBrown/2007/01/19/president_reagan_and_the_annual_march_for_life&Comments=true

Even conservative columnists have admitted he signed what was at the time the most liberal abortion bill in the nation and it opened the door to more liberal bills. Get over it. You’ve been proven wrong.

Calling Rudy a homo suckup? How classy of you. /s


1,555 posted on 04/22/2007 1:26:29 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Well, yeah. If they take the pro-abortion political position then they are “abortionists” and the subscribe to “abortionism.” Same as those who take the extreme left feminazi position, they are “feminists” and support the cause of “feminism.” Just as we have environmentalists, environmentalism, homosexualists, homosexualism, etc. Political movements and political causes supported do define the person.
1,556 posted on 04/22/2007 1:27:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: stillonaroll

Oh brother. Sure. We’ve all been here for years and years waiting for Rudy to decide to run.


1,557 posted on 04/22/2007 1:27:39 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Well, isn’t he?


1,558 posted on 04/22/2007 1:28:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Peach

quidnick, according to Jim Robinson, attacked the founding fathers to try by tearing them down to make Rudy look better. It rubbed Jim the wrong way.

Mia T. posted a vanity thread where she claimed that if we don’t vote for Rudy, the blood of all the dead babies would be on our hands. Then she said Fred was a globalist DC politician who couldn’t be trusted. It turned out she had posted two other vanity-style threads this month attacking Fred. In one she said denounced his lack of experience while completely ignoring his senate career, and in the other she claimed he was deceiving us and running just to help McCain. She linked both of those into her “what is pro-life” thread, hijacking and spamming her own thread.

And she made two posts that were so bad she deleted them.

That is what got her banned.

But you are correct, you did not say that “every” person was being banned, and I apologize for the hyperbole. Without looking back, I’ll just say that the impression you left with me in the preponderance of your posts was that you think pro-rudy posters are being unfairly targetted for banning for no good reason, that you are in fear of being banned, and that there are an unspecified but supposedly large number of freepers who are afraid to even admit to being rudy supporters for fear of being banned.

If that is not what you meant to convey tonight, I am sorry I got the wrong impression, and you can decide for yourself tomorrow whether you are comfortable with giving me that impression.


1,559 posted on 04/22/2007 1:29:02 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson

“gotta link?”

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

HA

You ARE my hero.


1,560 posted on 04/22/2007 1:29:31 AM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: Bigh4u2
“One step forward, two steps back is better than annhilation at the hands of Hillary or Obama.”

No...it’s not.

???? PLease tell me you don't realistically believe this to be a good idea.

1,561 posted on 04/22/2007 1:29:33 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: Rodney King
I just went back to look and you’re right; the first line got dropped. Regardless, we have Murry Mom (liberal extraordinaire) still posting. We had Churchillbuff for years.

Quid has been a good poster for 9 years and gets banned for that innocuous post? Ridiculous.

1,562 posted on 04/22/2007 1:29:43 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Anyone who is “pro-choice”, or pro-abortion is promoting a culture of death.


1,563 posted on 04/22/2007 1:30:09 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: Peach
Well, you’re a doll to look. I don’t really know how to look up specific quotes/posts on FR through Google.

Add "site:freerepublic.com" to your Google search. In this instance, I searched for "endorsed check" site:freerepublic.com.
1,564 posted on 04/22/2007 1:30:27 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

That’s probably because they are very rare. Probably about as rare as pro abortion, pro gay rights, pro gun control, pro illegal alien Republican candidates for president. They’re one of a kind and hopefully not too successful.


1,565 posted on 04/22/2007 1:31:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Quix
Sorry, I haven’t read every single post.

I couldn't encourage you more to do so.

This thread is absolutely mesmerizing.

1,566 posted on 04/22/2007 1:31:18 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: babygene
NY Times again ignored Giuliani's Shifting Position on Abortion Ban

President, candidates respond to court's decision on abortion ban

Giuliani shifts stance on disputed abortion method

1,567 posted on 04/22/2007 1:31:22 AM PDT by Verax
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To: M. Thatcher
“I will never forgive you for calling me a treasonous liberal as long as I live.”

Wahh. Boo hoo.

1,568 posted on 04/22/2007 1:31:23 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Maybe it’s time to start throwing the queer term around like you were a few months ago. Homo seems a little too PC.


1,569 posted on 04/22/2007 1:31:28 AM PDT by Peach
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Spiff; Peach

Though I tried I’ve yet to see anyone refute my post 200.

I stand by it.


1,570 posted on 04/22/2007 1:31:37 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Howlin; mkjessup
You very well could be the most clueless poster I’ve ever seen on this forum.

Wait a second. Is clueless different than dumbest? I thought that was MY award. I want a recount.

I am amused by people for whom the latest thing they see is always the "most" something, like "the dumbest", the stupidest", the "most clueless", etc;. I wonder if those people have very short memories, or if they have really lived a sheltered life up until that moment.

I mostly encounter that kind of post on a liberal site when they are feigning outrage over some perceived conservative slight.

1,571 posted on 04/22/2007 1:32:04 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

So let’s see. We can’t speak badly of other unannounced candidates. We can’t speak badly of announced candidates.

But we can have spam, name calling, swear words, pictures of partial birth abortions, etc., on Rudy threads. Got it.

Just wanted to make sure I was up on all the new frickin rules. (I just love that we can talk this way now; it adds to much to the conversation).


1,572 posted on 04/22/2007 1:32:56 AM PDT by Peach
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To: stuned_beeber

You might want to stay tuned. He got a link, ace.


1,573 posted on 04/22/2007 1:33:17 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Yes. If I keep repeating the same thing often enough, people might believe it.

Or maybe I simply kept repeating the same thing as I was reading through linearly a large and rapidly growing thread, and had posted that consistant message several times before I read a post which pointed it out to me.

I vote for 2. I’ve never been able to get people to listen to me by repeating myself.


1,574 posted on 04/22/2007 1:34:48 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Does she give a little statuette out with these Howlie Awards?


1,575 posted on 04/22/2007 1:34:49 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: conservative in nyc

I have no idea. I’ve written that down. Thanks again!


1,576 posted on 04/22/2007 1:34:54 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

What’s a matter? You don’t like homosexuals? Are you a homophobe?


1,577 posted on 04/22/2007 1:36:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: woofie

Because you were so undecided before 2:30 am?


1,578 posted on 04/22/2007 1:36:11 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blackirish

I replied to that post. It was excellent.


1,579 posted on 04/22/2007 1:36:58 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Oh brother. Sure. We’ve all been here for years and years waiting for Rudy to decide to run.

I don't recall having said anything about you.

Since you're here, could you kindly tell me how promoting a pro-abortion anti-gun candidate furthers the conservative cause?

1,580 posted on 04/22/2007 1:38:15 AM PDT by stillonaroll (Rudy: pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Ah, the liberal card. The last resort of somebody who has nothing else to add.


1,581 posted on 04/22/2007 1:38:18 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Peach
Hillary wants to give us national healthcare which will bankrupt us.

What is Rudy's position on health care?

1,582 posted on 04/22/2007 1:39:23 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: flashbunny

““I hope you’re out looking for a post that backs this up:

Like the time you insinuated that I was on drugs and gay because I dared disagree with the mier’s pick.

I’m gonna need a link from you to back that up. “”

Well here’s the backup, howlin:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1498195/posts?

And just like I said, it’s in the smoky back room:

To: flashbunny

ROFLMAO.....aren’t you the martyr?

Tell the truth, you’re Anderson Cooper, aren’t you?

101 posted on 10/07/2005 1:22:25 AM CDT by Howlin

And here’s where you insinuated I was on drugs:

To: flashbunny

Are you now implying that equal rights is affirmative action?

PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE OR THE PILLS.

114 posted on 10/07/2005 1:31:30 AM CDT by Howlin


There you go. So what’s next from you, ignore this post, try to spin it, or just come up with another attack?


1,583 posted on 04/22/2007 1:39:38 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: NapkinUser

It looked like nobody hit a ping list for this one.


1,584 posted on 04/22/2007 1:40:40 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

LOL.

I love those posts - “You people are so mean to rudy I’m going to vote for him now!”

Some principles!


1,585 posted on 04/22/2007 1:41:31 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Peach
As usual, you've taken liberties with your resources.

Your link returned this:

Abortion was, in President Reagan’s view, an infringement on God’s sacred command to protect innocent human life. Indeed, Reagan felt so passionately about the right to life that he felt without it, other rights had no meaning. He called the restoration of the right to life the most important challenge facing the character of America. President Reagan believed that the continuance of abortion, the taking of some 4,000 lives of children everyday, would only bring about trouble for America. He even posed the ominous question: “Do you really think… God will protect us in a time of crisis even as we turn away from him in our day-to- day life?”

President Reagan did not always take such a strong position against abortion as his rhetoric implies. Indeed, he signed into law a permissive abortion bill early in his California governorship which has resulted in more than one million abortions. He publicly later regretted this decision, and he said it was the biggest mistake he made in government.

So where does it say he was Pro abortion and signed a "liberal" bill into law.

It is as I posted.

Can you ever tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

As for class, how would you know what that is?

:O)

P
President Reagan backed a constitutional amendment during his run for president which would prohibit abortions in all cases except for ones in which the mother’s life was endangered. As a candidate and as president, he would defy his handlers and address pro-life leaders repeatedly.
1,586 posted on 04/22/2007 1:41:37 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: Blackirish

Your post 200 is nothing but pure opinion, and as such means nothing.


1,587 posted on 04/22/2007 1:42:06 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: Peach; Rodney King

“When Reagan changed from a Democrat to a Republican and pro choice to pro life, he was embraced.”

Peach, you seem to ignore my posts but please give me the sources for the proof that Ronald Reagan was pro-choice.

Rodney King you seem to have the same sources, what are they?


1,588 posted on 04/22/2007 1:42:33 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: stuned_beeber; Reagan Man

RM, it looks like you may have some competition for the title of FR’s biggest brown noser.


1,589 posted on 04/22/2007 1:43:10 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Peach
Free Republic is a conservative site. We support conservative candidates and causes. We don’t like to waste our time and resources fooling around with liberal trolls that come in to smear, smash, bash and trash our conservative candidates and or to push their obnoxious, repugnant liberal positions on us, so we routinely zot the liberal trolls who do so.

Please tell me why we should allow people to come in here to trash our conservative candidates? And why should we respect the positions of pro abortionists, etc (getting tired of typing the laundry list of Rudy's liberal positions)?

1,590 posted on 04/22/2007 1:43:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: jonrick46
Rudy is a flawed character

Name one person that isn't.
1,591 posted on 04/22/2007 1:44:19 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: TAdams8591

“However, even if the caller had been completely healthy, Rudy could have handled the call far better and didn’t have to respond in kind.”

That’s the real point. His response showed someone with thin skin who doesn’t have the temperament to hold the highest office in the land. You have to combine this with things like the case against new york magazine (which he lost) where he refused to let them run an ad on city buses because it very gently poked fun at him.


1,592 posted on 04/22/2007 1:45:01 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: babygene

Interestingly, I said that I would NOT vote for Rudy, but I would pray that he would win without me (in my state I doubt my vote would cause Hillary to win over Rudy).

I might not be able to cast my vote for a candidate as flawed as Rudy, but I might still think it better that he win.

Most of the damage I see coming with Rudy would be done by his being on the ballot, which I couldn’t change one way or another.

And if I opposed him, I wouldn’t personally feel like a hypocrit when I spent 4 years fighting his positions and looking for a candidate to primary him.

But while I think Hillary might be better for our election prospects in 2010 than Rudy, I don’t think I could wish Hillary on our country over Rudy.

I would pick Hillary over Obama and Al Gore. But that’s a democratic primary, not the general election.


1,593 posted on 04/22/2007 1:45:47 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: stillonaroll
I had opined that some of the Rudymites here on FR are paid employees or consultants of Rudy's campaign.

That's your post. You didn't say it to me, but since I'm a "Rudymite", I responded, if that's okay with you. And sure. I came here in 1998 thinking that maybe some day Rudy would run for president. And he's paid me for all my posting here. /s

1,594 posted on 04/22/2007 1:47:08 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin

I hit respond to the wrong post number, so you weren’t pinged.

I’m afraid that if I ping you to that post you might miss it, so I’ll repost the info here:


““I hope you’re out looking for a post that backs this up:

Like the time you insinuated that I was on drugs and gay because I dared disagree with the mier’s pick.

I’m gonna need a link from you to back that up. “”

Well here’s the backup, howlin:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1498195/posts?

And just like I said, it’s in the smoky back room:

To: flashbunny

ROFLMAO.....aren’t you the martyr?

Tell the truth, you’re Anderson Cooper, aren’t you?

101 posted on 10/07/2005 1:22:25 AM CDT by Howlin

And here’s where you insinuated I was on drugs:

To: flashbunny

Are you now implying that equal rights is affirmative action?

PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE OR THE PILLS.

114 posted on 10/07/2005 1:31:30 AM CDT by Howlin

There you go. So what’s next from you, ignore this post, try to spin it, or just come up with another attack?


1,595 posted on 04/22/2007 1:47:35 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Howlin

#1,583 shut you up.


1,596 posted on 04/22/2007 1:48:13 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: babygene; Peach

And while I’ve seen other people say the same thing, I don’t recall a freeper saying they would cast a vote for hillary.

I remember when the Rudy people tried to trash Land by saying HE would vote for Hillary, but he was not a freeper, and it turned out the reporter screwed up (like most of us with sense could tell) and Land had just said he would NOT VOTE.

I’ve seen a lot of people say they would vote 3rd party or not vote, but none who said they would vote for Hillary.

I doubt ANY freeper said that, except maybe in jest. But Hillary does always get a few votes on the freeper polls. Probably MurrayMom, and some other trolls hiding out there.

That’s why I wanted to see the actual names, to see if any of them were serious and needed to have an attitude adjustment.


1,597 posted on 04/22/2007 1:48:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: flashbunny

Why would I try to spin it? I already admitted I said it 30 minutes ago.


1,598 posted on 04/22/2007 1:48:32 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: flashbunny
"His response showed someone with thin skin who doesn’t have the temperament to hold the highest office in the land."

Yes, agreed. Rudy is temperamental. We can add it to the laundry list. : )

1,599 posted on 04/22/2007 1:49:05 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag!)
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To: NapkinUser

Shut me up, what?

I already admitted I said it; I just didn’t remember saying it; once flashbunny reminded me of what it was.....I remembered it.


1,600 posted on 04/22/2007 1:49:23 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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