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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Peach; Jim Robinson

Where, I’m reading every post, and I’ve seen 3 so far, one said he’d vote for a democrat but it didn’t say hillary, and later said he’d stay home; one said he’d “elect hillary” but not that he’d vote for her, and the 3rd said he’d give her money, but not that he’d vote for her.

I believe that there is a freeper out there that actually said they’d vote for Hillary. I’d just like to know who they are, and we don’t have that name yet.


1,661 posted on 04/22/2007 2:52:55 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peach; Rodney King

Jim later explained that it was for his post about the founding fathers, NOT the post to Jim.


1,662 posted on 04/22/2007 2:55:25 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blackirish

It got lost in the mayhem that followed. Maybe I’ll get to it.


1,663 posted on 04/22/2007 2:57:26 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson
Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

but....but...he inhaled 9-11 dust at ground zero...he's entitled!

1,664 posted on 04/22/2007 2:58:09 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Islam is the non-dissolving flavah bomb in the melting pot of civilization.)
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To: Peach

I hate the personal attack speech from both sides, but I’m not a moderator so I can do little more than cover my ears and cringe.

And I used up my vanity complaining about saying “i’d hit it” every time a girl’s picture is posted.

So what can I do?


1,665 posted on 04/22/2007 2:58:36 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BykrBayb

And that was all she wrote.


1,666 posted on 04/22/2007 3:00:28 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Howlin

I was simply explaining where I see all of the “that’s the worst” comments. They are usually NOT hear, but on liberal sites like NotLarrySabato.

I didn’t know that was a card. I thought it was simply an explanatory statement.

Was that the worst playing of a liberal card ever?


1,667 posted on 04/22/2007 3:00:35 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“New Yorkers rate Bloomberg better than Rudy, and said they’d rather have Bloomberg as president.”

My son that lives in New York City may or may not agree with those polls, but it will be difficult to shake me from my view that Rudy is one of America’s great historical figures as the mayor of New York City in an age where we had centuries of history to compare him with.

Rudy is who he is and he should be proud, but the measure of the man will come when it becomes clear that his Mayoralty does not translate to “President of the United States”.

but the measure of the man will come when it becomes clear that his Mayoralty does not translate to “President of the United States”.


1,668 posted on 04/22/2007 3:02:59 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Elyse

That was the worst non-post I ever stayed up all night for. Does anybody have a ping list for when it finally gets posted? I’d hate to miss it.


1,669 posted on 04/22/2007 3:03:52 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: AntiGuv

Those are from his exploratory committee. Are we certain they are his positions, and not just what his exploratory committee thinks his positions are?

I went and looked them up a few hours ago because I was interested in his “flat tax” support, and as you can see there is nothing there about the flat tax. In fact, under Cutting Taxes, it doesn’t actually say that Rudy will cut taxes, or that he won’t raise them, it just talks about what he already did.

So in fact some of those aren’t really “issues” but are rather “accomplishments”.

I hope he gets a web site up soon that actually lists his current issues, especially since according to rudy posters tonight a lot of his positions are evolving now.


1,670 posted on 04/22/2007 3:05:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peach
Ok, if anyone’s interested, you got banned because you are attempting to smear Ronald Reagan in your effort to build up Rudy Giuliani. Also, in general, you are going way out of your way trying to justify abortion. Again, to give cover for Giuliani’s liberal positions. There was no other reason possible for you to drag Ronald Reagan into this Rudy abortion discussion. You smear a good man while defending abortionists. No thanks. Take it elsewhere.

You should've just stated the truth that Giuliani is an abortionist and that you are ok with that and support him anyway. There's no reason for anyone to smear good consrvatives or to try to justify abortion. That will not fly on FR.

1,671 posted on 04/22/2007 3:06:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Peach

None of them said they would “vote for Hillary”.


1,672 posted on 04/22/2007 3:06:53 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peach

PEACH,
“So now it’s attacking Ronald Reagan to post his record?”
“When Reagan changed from a Democrat to a Republican and pro choice to pro life, he was embraced.”

I’m asking you to put up or shut up, please give me the quotes and his political statements that support your constant slurs.


1,674 posted on 04/22/2007 3:11:09 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: ansel12; Peach; Jim Robinson

Don’t think she’ll be answering now.

Hopefully tomorrow, after everybody gets some sleep.

I don’t know how we will do live speech threads without Peach, she was the only one who could keep up and post everything that was said in real time.

I’m willing to put up with her absurd comments about Reagan for her outstanding transcription ability.


1,675 posted on 04/22/2007 3:14:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Hey, and with that, I’m the last one standing again.


1,676 posted on 04/22/2007 3:14:44 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BykrBayb

Ping - 1671.

You are welcome.


1,677 posted on 04/22/2007 3:15:13 AM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Lurker
quidnick, according to Jim Robinson, attacked the founding fathers to try by tearing them down to make Rudy look better. It rubbed Jim the wrong way.

Quidnunc is Banned?

Best FR news I've heard all week. Maybe longer. There was absolutely no excess of Government expenditure or Government violence to which that gun-controlling jack-boot would not stoop to justify in the name of "Law & Order!" None.

1,678 posted on 04/22/2007 3:15:35 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: Jim Robinson

I to can not eve vote for him.


1,679 posted on 04/22/2007 3:19:00 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Jim Robinson; Peach

We all have different sleeping cycles. Simply put, the time of day is no excuse. It’s not like this is the first time she did that kind of stuff about Reagan. Besides, she was clearly warned by Jim in the previous post. (Replying to any of the names I brought up out of respect, even though Peach is no longer with us.)


1,680 posted on 04/22/2007 3:19:39 AM PDT by NinoFan
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