Skip to comments.Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
“And up to the post number here, there has not been one single word in this thread about national security, world terror threat.”
“The site is less and less in touch with reality,”
You need to reread the thread.
“One step forward, two steps back is better than annhilation at the hands of Hillary or Obama.”
FWIW, overall, It's more like California than it is like FR - simple reality.
More donations to FR come from California than any other state.
I'm not here to support anything else.
Socialism is simply antithetical to the republic our Founders established.
Conservatives are tired of being told they support Hillary simply because they don’t support Rudy.
While I’m certain pro-rudy people are tired of things said about them as well, this is a conservative site, and conservatives are getting tired of being attacked by pro-rudy people. One is calling conservative liars, one said we would have the blood of aborted babies on our hands if we didn’t vote for Rudy who supports abortion.
I don’t think the pro-rudy people realise how bizarre that was, seeing a pro-lifer post that we should vote for a pro-abortion candidate or else we’d be responsible for abortion.
It was like hearing someone say they would help load up jews on the train for Auchwitz if they thought getting the train to move quicker might mean fewer people were put on the train.
I won’t - I will not support socialism, and I won’t support anybody that doesn’t strongly support the second amendment.
But as mayor of that city he was going to support liberal policies. For example, no way he wouldn't want federal welfare for illegals, because he had a ton of them living in his city.
Will he become more conservative as he runs for the whole country, not just NYC? I think the only honest answer is he will somewhat, but not on all the issues. Many of them he will stick with just to show that he is consistent. So the best hope is that Thompson overtakes him because most people here don't like McCain and who else is going to do it?
This is how I look at it. If Rudy wins the nomination then we have already lost the election. The general election is then about damage control.
Bump for an excellent anti-Hillary rant!
Well, he’s certainly no George Bush is he?
NO, YOU MUST VOTE FOR A 3RD PARTY CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE OR YOU KEEP THE NATION IN A CONTINUAL SHIFT TO THE LEFT. FACE IT...A VOTE FOR GIULIANI IS A VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT.
That's a crock of crap!!!
I was here in 1999 and most FReepers supported GW Bush. In fact, JimRob bounced many rightwingers who were just here to cause trouble and rightly so.
This time around Jim`s not gonna stand for BS from you Rudy loving Republican leftwingers, who think trashing conservative candidates and promoting liberal candidates is a good thing.
Btw, what happened to ALL your posts promoting Rudy Giuliani for POTUS, and ALL your posts trashing Ronald Reagan? Haven't seen any lately. Maybe you're scared Jim's working on you next. LOL
If elected, I believe he would. After election, the base can be ignored. (FWIW, I think Pres. Bush and the ‘pubs were hurt more on the spending and big gov’t issues than anything else in 2006)
So you think Rudy MIGHT pick a conservative justice because of Ted Olsen?
I can still recall a post-presidency interview with Bush 41, and the topic being Souter. The elder was obviously distraught in his choice and kept saying that his advisors ASSURED him Souter was the only conversative that would pass the confirmation hearings.
That did a lot of good for us, didn’t it?
Smart players will decline the Giuliani Gambit!
I'm with you on not supporting a third party candidate.
Any real conservative candidate who isn't some Hillary put-up and who really wants to win will put his name in the Republican primaries.
Why? Because that's where the conservative voters are.
Ok, we’ll pick an item from my list and let you go for it. Please name the founding fathers you think would go for abortion. How about partial birth abortion? How about taxpayer funded abortion? Do you think the founding fathers would say that abortionism is next to Godliness or would they think it’s a purely evil and barbaric practice? How many founding fathers thought they were writing “A woman’s right to choose abortion” into the constitution? Please name them and provide examples from their quotations and writings on the topic. When did the founding fathers debate abortion rights at the constitutional convention? Which founders were on each side of the debate? Where are the minutes or notes of the debate? Where are the letters, books, etc, written by our founders regarding the big abortion debate?
Please answer these questions, then we’ll tackle the next issue.
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