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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: cicero's_son
Vote Rudy! Annoy a wingnut.

Are you calling Jim a wingnut? Or just those of us with character?

3,801 posted on 04/22/2007 8:27:50 PM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Registered

Very unfunny.............Since then, Rudy has left a trail
of open borders, pro abortion, pro homo, and gun a gun grabber to boot.

Look how young he is pal!

He has pissed down our leg ever since!


3,802 posted on 04/22/2007 8:28:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

3,781

take me on smart guy..where am I wrong?


3,803 posted on 04/22/2007 8:28:21 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: LowOiL

“Character?”

Is that what you call gleefully calling for the banishment of everyone who disagrees with your choice of primary candidate?


3,804 posted on 04/22/2007 8:28:42 PM PDT by cicero's_son (Vote Rudy! Annoy a wingnut.)
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To: rbmillerjr

250 post behind now... can’t close the gap, might as well have some more soup...


3,805 posted on 04/22/2007 8:28:45 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Well, there is Peach, FairOpinion, Katie-O, habs4ever (not sure if that puke was a RudyBot or just a sleeper troll), Quidnuc, CeltJewLibertarian, there may be others but those are the ones who come to mind first.
You don't know what the hell you're talking about, junior. Those folks have been around longer than you have.


Well the fact is, those dearly departed former Freepers were zotted by the owner of this website, and I support him 100 percent. It doesn't matter how long anyone has been around, if they reveal themselves to be diametrically opposed to what FR stands for, they have nobody to blame but themselves for whatever their fate turns out to be.

And in case it hasn't dawned on you ABG, if McCain, Giuliani or Hiliarly get to the White House, the net result is going to be the SAME.

Don't weep for the trolls and RudyBots, FR will be the better for their departure.
3,806 posted on 04/22/2007 8:28:48 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: dynachrome

I honestly see precious little difference between Hilary and Rudi. Either option is scary. If Rudi wins the nomination, the choice will be between 2 dems, and the conservatives will have no representation unless it is 3rd party


3,807 posted on 04/22/2007 8:29:02 PM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: redgolum
The Rudy supporters don’t want to argue the facts, it all emotion.

Well, emotions mixed with falsehoods.

3,808 posted on 04/22/2007 8:29:18 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: mkjessup
I thought he made some damn good points during his brief visit

Well, I haven't enjoyed this as much as you have.

I'm going to miss a lot of the people who were Freepers yesterday morning and banned today.

3,809 posted on 04/22/2007 8:29:31 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
But she got really mean all of the sudden for some reason. A lot of the women did, it was uncharacteristic. I suspect Rudy has some magic potion or spell, which would also explain why he keeps getting pretty good women to sleep with him.

Many women get all squishy for candidates who are all for abortion - especially if the candidate acts "conservative" on other issues. An unexpected pregnancy, especially at an inconvenient time, is a huge, expensive pain in the rear - yeah, it results in a kid who has value, but it's still an unpleasant and costly experience.

Guys like Rudy offer an alternative. Yes, both we and they "know" it's wrong, but many out there - including on Free Republic - weigh the "unpleasant & costly" aspect of giving birth heavier than the wrong of offing the kid. Or they know "good" people who have come to this conclusion. When anyone gets an option they value taken away, or is proposed to be taken away, they get testy.

Of course, it's not them that gets ripped limb from limb, burned with acid, or has their brains sucked out, so no harm (to them) no foul, right? That's why they get angry at us pro-lifers reminding them of the reality of abortion - it might force them to consider just what butchery was committed when they or their friends or family had one. Hence the insults, hence the "meanness"... in my opinion.

3,810 posted on 04/22/2007 8:29:35 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Politicalmom

What the hell are you talking about? He posted a list of suspected, in his opinion trolls, and I gave him a response. Don’t get too wound up. I think he’s off the mark, and was letting JimRob know my opinion.


3,811 posted on 04/22/2007 8:30:24 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: La Enchiladita

You’ll close it. Just eat with your left and scroll with your right. I do it all the time. lol


3,812 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: SittinYonder

“And for some Republicans, what is most important is winning, the issues come second.”

That is why Party operatives are the lowest imho. I like the grassroots Republicans.

“It’s early in the game. Giuliani is in a position to capitalize on all this right now, but I doubt very seriously that the closer this gets to the primaries Giuliani actually makes it as the nominee.”

I agree. But it will take hard work by grassroots Repubs to assist in that end.


3,813 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:16 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Hey, CM! GEttin’ ready for that Bayonet charge?


3,814 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:22 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: processing please hold

My 9 kicks harder than the .44 which kicks harder than the .45

It’s also the one that has the bad habit of “biting” those who shoot it if they forget to keep their left thumb positioned correctly.


3,815 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:23 PM PDT by trussell
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To: Registered
That was a joke goober. LOL LOL

You didn't sound like you were in a joking mood when you were whining about your posts being deleted by the mods in that thread last month.

But you go ahead and spin it whatever way saves as much of your pride and ego as possible.

Maybe nobody will notice.
3,816 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:27 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I don’t blame Jim a bit for putting a sock in their mouths.
***Me neither. I’d still like to see a “put up or shut up” purge as well, post #2405.


3,817 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:31 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

So are you dismissing the article out of hand then, since it was printed in the village voice? Does it make the facts of the story any less true?

And if it’s old - well, rudy was mayor from 94 until 2002 - you’re not going to find newer stories about him being in office, because all his “accomplishments” are from that era.

Funny how you have all your posts railing on about the nanny state, but when people provide you with examples of how rudy constantly sides with big government, from smoking bans to cracking down on dancing or wanting to confiscate cars from people ACQUITTED of drunk driving, you shrug it off. That’s very odd for someone who rails against the nanny state and the overreaching government that comes with it.


3,818 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:31 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: rodguy911

Who cares.


3,819 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:32 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

NO, he was telling someone who got banned.


3,820 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:36 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist ôRepublicanö with no opposition.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

Uh, no, that was a list of people who had been banned.


3,821 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:37 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: ohioWfan
Just a brief reminder..."IF Rudy is the Republican nominee and he is running against PURE EVIL, the responsible conservative will vote for Rudy."

Well Mr. Minority...I simply do not see supporting someone that endorses the mutilation of the unborn being principled. You obviously think that abortion is OK if it means defeating the evil Hillary...you're one sad character. Honestly, your not worth any more of my time.

3,822 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:42 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Registered; stephenjohnbanker

From “That 70’s Show”:

“BURN!”...


3,823 posted on 04/22/2007 8:31:50 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: Registered

Reagan: "I don't know who this guy is, but I wouldn't buy a Buick from him."

Giuliani: "Man, I want this job! This house is so big, there would be room for TWO mistresses!"

3,824 posted on 04/22/2007 8:32:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: 68 grunt
Are you Reagan Embarrassment with a bouncin’ IP?

Not even close.
3,825 posted on 04/22/2007 8:32:20 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: dynachrome

Ack, and I was just going to go to bed because I need a good night’s sleep.

I’d better go and see if Dave has posted any Armed Citizens threads today. I like stories with happy endings better than horror stories.


3,826 posted on 04/22/2007 8:32:30 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Sure you are, EVie, always just spreading the divisive facts. You've got a bunch of pesky facts about any attractive republican candidate and you're ever eager to unload.
3,827 posted on 04/22/2007 8:32:59 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL, great picture.


3,828 posted on 04/22/2007 8:33:25 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: BARLF

mark


3,829 posted on 04/22/2007 8:33:31 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Registered
A little touchup:
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3,830 posted on 04/22/2007 8:34:04 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I have no fear of debate. It is my genes, and annealed by disputative and argumentative parents, who then spent a lot of money to hone that skill some more in me. But debate in a star chamber is no debate at all - it is degrading. Debate will be done elsewhere, not here, that is clear.


3,831 posted on 04/22/2007 8:34:04 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: La Enchiladita

Why you think I eat at the computer? Sandwiches? How else can I keep up?


3,832 posted on 04/22/2007 8:34:07 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Yossarian

Would you please knock it off

Not all women are pro choice, and a lot of us love and treasure our children with all our hearts as precious gifts from God. Most of the adamantly pro life people I know are women, a lot of men figure it is not their issue and they don’t have a lot to say about it (which is wrong)

I am tired of being smeared as an amoral weak emotional creature that cannot be inconvenienced by something as silly as a child just because I am a woman, and that happens to fit some silly stereotype you have.


3,833 posted on 04/22/2007 8:34:21 PM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
“Rudy is a left wing j-off POS!”

Thats the best you got banker guy? You remind me of guy’s I used to trade futures with. Unable to adopt to the new world of electronic trading and hedge funds. They live in the past pretend everything is all right and got their asses kicked.

These are the numbers smart guy tell me how the same ol same ol will trade us out of this hole?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/Issues/April%202007/CongressionalBallot.htm

3,834 posted on 04/22/2007 8:34:25 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: 68 grunt

Unlike you, I like it when conservatives are grounded in the facts.


3,835 posted on 04/22/2007 8:35:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: cicero's_son

Oh sorry I didn’t know I was posting to a moron.


3,836 posted on 04/22/2007 8:35:41 PM PDT by Dstorm
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To: processing please hold; La Enchiladita

You just have to be on the alert for the occasional post that would make you spit soup all over your keyboard. They always show up when you least expect it.


3,837 posted on 04/22/2007 8:35:53 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

You gotta get on the IV-drip...It’s amazing how much time you’ll save ;’}


3,838 posted on 04/22/2007 8:36:05 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: Kevmo

That I know:

Fierce Allegiance
Mia T.
FairOpinion
quidnunk
Peach
KATIE-O
habs4ever
Luis Gonzalez

There’s probably more.


3,839 posted on 04/22/2007 8:36:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: La Enchiladita

I’m making coffee ...

How do you take yours?...


3,840 posted on 04/22/2007 8:36:29 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: politicalwit
The opposite is true. You clearly prefer Hillary who will kill as many babies as possible. You must be a Clinton lover, since you will be actively supporting her run for the White House.

Now do you see how utterly STUPID your attacks on me are? Enough of this braindead rot from you.

I can't STAND Rudy. But you're less of a man than he is, and you are still a bald faced liar. I am as pro-life as any person on this forum........and I have a great deal of doubt that you give a rip about the unborn other than as a weapon to falsely attack others with.

Good bye.

3,841 posted on 04/22/2007 8:36:33 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: Registered
Oh, and what have you done in the real world lately? This is all ya got, thats why I pity you.

You don't even know me, which demonstrates once again your propensity for talking out of your ass. What I do in the real world is none of your damn business, and I don't account to you anyway.

That thrashing you got in that Duncan Hunter thread really smarted didn't it?
3,842 posted on 04/22/2007 8:36:37 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Torie
Debate will be done elsewhere, not here, that is clear.

Are you opusing too?

3,843 posted on 04/22/2007 8:37:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

writeblock got zotted a few days ago.


3,844 posted on 04/22/2007 8:37:11 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist ôRepublicanö with no opposition.)
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To: rodguy911

Fine.

So what the do you mean by the phrase “swiftboating”?

Is this positive or negative?


3,845 posted on 04/22/2007 8:37:17 PM PDT by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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To: mkjessup

I had forgotten that howler.


3,846 posted on 04/22/2007 8:37:54 PM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998.)
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To: Politicalmom; ABG(anybody but Gore)
Why are you screaming at him for providing a list to someone else?

I don't know Mom, ABG hadn't even bothered to show up until after more than 3700 posts in this monster thread, and I guess I was a convenient target. LOL
3,847 posted on 04/22/2007 8:37:56 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, gun grabbing, sanctuary cities for illegals, etc, are about as far from conservatism as you can get. And, yes, I believe all of this B/S is brought to us by the godless socialists. If you support all this crap, no way are you a conservative.

I know I'm late to the party, but this is the absolute truth. Thank you, JR!

3,848 posted on 04/22/2007 8:38:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: Mom MD

In fact, a lot of us women are very actively 100 percent hard core pro-life.


3,849 posted on 04/22/2007 8:38:24 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Blackirish

Giuliani is absolutely not “considering a flat tax” and that information was already posted to you on this thread.


3,850 posted on 04/22/2007 8:38:28 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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